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Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5540
Reg: 03-2006
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Thats a REAL car hey Miles ;) |
Bobby Green
TryHard
QLD
TT
Posts: 396
Reg: 09-2005
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I think you will quickly see the value in owning a 340rwkw nissan and a 340rwkw jz equipped toyota, Daniel. Getting an rb to hold that much power consistently is $$$, where as plenty of 2j's running around with up to 700rwhp on unopened blocks. Depends what you are using it for as well, drag, circuit, street racing, a daily. I find drag boring as •••• and the nearest circuit, Lakeside which is 2 hours from my place, I was turned away because my car was too loud. I agree that investing into a car with hope of getting money back is ludicrous. But that is missing the point of why we modify in the first place.
The draw of the underdog is also appealing. Nothing like handing someone there ass on a platter when they're driving supposedly superior cars (700hp R33 GTR, 300awkw EVO9, 2009 v8 M3, off the top of my head), in a 'heavy, old boat' like a soarer. If you're at the circuit twice a month, sure there are better bases to start with. Then again even your 10 second GTR example will get destroyed by a decent cart around the track. Most of us play on the street, or don't even drive over the limit ever anyway. In these applications I think the soarer is just fine, especially for the price. |
Andrew Duaso
TryHard
Victoria
V8
Posts: 388
Reg: 02-2009
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im starting to get sick of ppl calling the soarer a boat... not in relation to your post Bobby, but in general
ohh i heard they are a boat and are slow as and handle like ••••
yeah well any poorly maintained 20yo car will give that impression
but infact a well maintained soarer compared to everything else of the same year is actually quite reasonably paced handles quite well thanks
remember they are more of a GT car than a sport car...
every skyline ive been in can be summed up as rough as •••••••
they are a solid built car and heavy? not any more, these days the std base model family sedan carries more weight |
Christian Somerville
TryHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 LTD
Posts: 202
Reg: 03-2009
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Andrew I agree so strongly |
David Tra
Goo Roo
qld
TT
Posts: 1186
Reg: 11-2007
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What are the figures of building a 300kw RB or SR?
Just wondering,
anyway
From memory paul gaspar asking price for his widebody soarer was 30k? What he sold it for I dont know, but i doubt it went below 25k.
here is a pic
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David Grab
Goo Roo
SA
T78
Posts: 1996
Reg: 01-2008
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David Tra wrote on Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 07:36 pm:What are the figures of building a 300kw RB or SR?
Just wondering,
anyway
From memory paul gaspar asking price for his widebody soarer was 30k? What he sold it for I dont know, but i doubt it went below 25k.
here is a pic
Yeah well see i was considering buying that Soarer even at $30K. Problem was that wide mod means extremely hard to get regoed in another state, it was a 1993 from memory and the kms on the engine seemed way too low and thus the idea of them been wound back was there. So if i could have regoed the car in SA and it had legit low kms i would pay $30K but not if it wasnt able to be regoed. Thats were the main problem was with that car, all interstate buyers were eliminated just for the fact that rego wouldnt happen.
Here is the pic ive been talking about, hopefully it works now 
Also Sebastian is the first person to answer my question, he said some of the Soarers in the states he would pay $40K for. So again my question is about money, if you saw the right Soarer would you be willing to pay big dollars for it. And people are jumping to way to many conclusions and reading into the question itself to much. Obviously your gonna lose money with modifiying however if there was one Soarer that was an icon as the best of the best and was up for sale would you be willing to fork out big dollars? Just like the Mines R34 GTR, if that came up for sale there would be a lot of people willing to put down large sums of money to own it. |
Kyle Wathen
DieHard
Vic
JZZ30 Manual GT-T
Posts: 875
Reg: 02-2007
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David Grab wrote on Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 07:56 pm:like the Mines R34 GTR, if that came up for sale there would be a lot of people willing to put down large sums of money to own it.
Unless you send your car back to Japan to be built by Top Secret, Mines etc it will never recieve the same status or recognition (even if its just as good) as the cars that roll out of those work shops. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5541
Reg: 03-2006
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Hey Bobby, Not saying i would prefer an RB , just saying these things regardless of money pured into them, arent worth alot of money !
Heck, ive got less than 5k spent on my car, holds its own on the street, and puts out some good numbers... iI would 200% prefer a Toyota over Nissan, i was usin an example ...
Basically the GTR would be faster than a manual counterpart of the Toyota cupboard on a racetrack, whether straight or cornered . |
David Tra
Goo Roo
qld
TT
Posts: 1187
Reg: 11-2007
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upload using imageshack David G. http://imageshack.us/ |
David Grab
Goo Roo
SA
T78
Posts: 2000
Reg: 01-2008
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Cant be arsed saving it and putting it on my photobucket account. Just google 'black soarer' and under images look for the black AC kit Soarer with RTS Trafficstar rims. Im pretty sure everyone on here would know the car. |
Sebastian Grant
DieHard
nsw
soarer TT
Posts: 735
Reg: 01-2008
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I'd pay $40000 for these two.
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David Grab
Goo Roo
SA
T78
Posts: 2005
Reg: 01-2008
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Bottom one is the car i was referring to. In essence the exterior of my car will look similar to it with a few other tweaks. The interior will be totally different as that guy did some crazy stuff in there haha.
So exterior somewhat like that, interior done differently, boot all custom, engine producing an easy reliable 300rwkw. |
Vinh Bui
Goo Roo
NSW
96 JZZ30 (TT)
Posts: 2911
Reg: 07-2005
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You mean @ $20,000 each right Sebastian? Any more and I wouldn't bother without more info on the car. And even then, there'd better be some serious gear under the hood to justify that price.
David Grab wrote on Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 07:56 pm:So again my question is about money, if you saw the right Soarer would you be willing to pay big dollars for it
The ONLY Soarer I'd consider paying a high amount of money for would be Takahiro Ueno's D1 JZZ30 (which I know is/was for sale). Even then, it'd only be purchased as a collector's item. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5544
Reg: 03-2006
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And VINH is a bloke who i know for sure, knows prices and values on cars, as his stuff is the most fastidious i ever seen . So i take that as gospel ! |
David Grab
Goo Roo
SA
T78
Posts: 2006
Reg: 01-2008
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Yeah ok Vinh lets say that bottom pic pulled 600hp, was a 1998, was immaculate would you pay $40K for it? I know i would just trying to figure out if there are other like minded people out there. Those rims alone are worth $6000. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1859
Reg: 08-2005
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Daniel Clarke wrote on Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 02:27 pm:Thats a REAL car hey Miles
Watch this space ;-) |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
V8 Limited
Posts: 1198
Reg: 09-2007
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Daniel Clarke wrote on Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 08:10 pm:Basically the GTR would be faster than a manual counterpart of the Toyota cupboard on a racetrack, whether straight or cornered .
who cares about a track? its all about the road as these are cars built for roads not tracks. if i wanted a track car to compare to a skyline id go for a supra |
Vinh Bui
Goo Roo
NSW
96 JZZ30 (TT)
Posts: 2912
Reg: 07-2005
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Nah I wouldn't David. I'm more of a "built not bought" kind of guy. As I said in my previous post, the only Soarer I'd pay a high sum for would be some sort of iconic collector's item. |
Phil Gibson
Goo Roo
WA
'91 UZZ31 track bunky, '94 blk/blk UZZ31
Posts: 1552
Reg: 07-2005
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Bear in mind that R33 and R34 GT-Rs are around the same weight as a povo-pack manual JZZ30. I have seen a stock-suspension R33 GT-R do an autokhana and it was as boat-like as any Soarer... |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5549
Reg: 03-2006
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Ali , So a Soarer in those pics with a Body kit 40mm from the ground rollin on superhard coilovers with 19-20 inch rims is gonna ride like a dream on todays roads is it ???
Some 1 eyed followers in here ;)
Geezus,lol ...
All im sayin , regardless of make or model , nothin would be worth 50-60k regardless of modifications .
Simon's " GANGSTA " car comes to mind here !
AUtosalon car with EVERYTHING your all talking about ! Made over 500rwhp , built 2J with all the goods, on pump fuel , Manual conversion, Custom interior, CRazy paintwork + bodykit , SOundsystem to boot !
Simon didnt get any nibles on this car at 30k+.. Which would be about 1/3rd of what was invested in it !
Thats why its still in his garage ! Its an awsome bit of gear ! Great on the road to drive, Can perform on any track ( circuit, drag , drift ) AND compete for trophies ! Take on any cruise !
Still no takers over the years .
It seems most people would rather build it their way , and not buy one already done . |
Gary Poloskei
TryHard
A.C.T
Soarer JZZ30 GT-TL
Posts: 400
Reg: 01-2008
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Well my 2 cents!
sit in your Soarer
then sit in a skyline
then sit in your soarer again.
then sit in the skyline again.
Now drive the soarer, stop
and drive the skyline, stop and drive the soarer again.
The skylines interior is really crap.
the skylines ride is rough and they sound crap.
Within 1 year your oil pump will fail and there goes your RB donk.
I park my car next to skylines as much as possible. They look and then they take off in red line sounding like a clapped out loan-mower.
Then I floor it and the smooth 1JZ just takes over. One of best sounding sixes in history (well mine sounds good anyway lol)I give my 1JZ hell everyday (iv only got 1 point left on my license)
And it just keeps going and going and going.
I would never buy a skyline because they ARE crap cars...EVERY one that I know that has had a skyline has had an engine failure. one mate of mine has rebuilt his RB26 3 times.
Sure Engines fail, but I do think the RB's fail more. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5553
Reg: 03-2006
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And some peple have had multiple failures with Soarers too, just browse through the forums .
Ive got a mechanic mate with an R33 GTR . Probably one of the best examples in the country . Its very nice to drive, handles nice , goes pretty hard , and hasnt had 1 thing go wrong with it in over 4 years of ownership .
I think it comes down to the drivers over revving RB engines . Most guys think a GTR will rev to 8k+ ,lol ...
I would give anything to have those seats in my Soarer,lol .
Of course people here will vouch Toyota is better than Nissan, its a Toyota forum,lol. |
Sebastian Grant
DieHard
nsw
soarer TT
Posts: 736
Reg: 01-2008
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Daniel Clarke wrote on Monday, October 19, 2009 - 11:06 am:So a Soarer in those pics with a Body kit 40mm from the ground rollin on superhard coilovers with 19-20 inch rims is gonna ride like a dream on todays roads is it ???
Actually yes Daniel, with some air ride suspension it will be very comfortable. My mate has some on his VL and even in that rust bucket the ride is very good.
The only way a car is worth $40000 is if two people are willing to pay that much for it. I would be willing to pay $40000 for some soarers I've seen but probably no one else would so neither would I, I'd just pay $1000 more than the next bloke and as Vinh said that would probably only be $20000. Would I be willing to pay $40000 for my dream car? Yes and my dream car is a fully built soarer but I guess many others on here only drive soarers because they can't practically afford their dream car.
Vinh Bui wrote on Monday, October 19, 2009 - 08:22 am:
I'm more of a "built not bought" kind of guy.
Vinh, you may be different but I love how so many people say that then they pay other people to do work on their car, it's the same thing to me. All these people in hot 4s who don't know what a spanner is but claim all the credit for "building" their car when all they did was open their wallet. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1862
Reg: 08-2005
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People saying they are willing to spend $40k on a Soarer on the internet and actually writing you a cheque for $40k are two different things. |
Sebastian Grant
DieHard
nsw
soarer TT
Posts: 738
Reg: 01-2008
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True Miles but I'd say that in a lot of cases it's the other half stopping us idiots from writing that cheque. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1863
Reg: 08-2005
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One way or the other, them there internet cheques don't get wrote. |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
V8 Limited
Posts: 1201
Reg: 09-2007
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Daniel, its all about preferences. i never said i was a fan of any of those 3 soarers pictured up there. even then my idea of comfortable ride would differ to that of others. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5558
Reg: 03-2006
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I totally understand Ali , as my perfect soarer looks nothing like those ones either .
I love my car to bits, but it isnt the ultimate car for me . Its just the best car i've had thus far , and one i can afford in my life at the moment, and serves its purpose very well with my budget 
I think that explains it pretty nicely . |
Aaron Casey
Goo Roo
nsw
'94 jzz30 gttl, 2 mini's one supercharged
Posts: 1477
Reg: 08-2005
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i like the soarer cause it has great lines and with a bit of work can be made to look awesome. to be honest my ultimate car would be my old school mini done up for track with a turbo hyabusa engine lol
but as a very fast cruiser that my mate has actually sold 3 cars due to doing them up and being beaten in my car with the 20's and air con and still untuned lol they were gtst's. the 1j just had so much more torque.
hey miles mine may be in the hot 4's soon and yes i have done most of mine i cant afford to get others to do it other than the paint and welding as been years since i have used one lol i was just hoping i could get my 2j payed off in time to get it in.. but i guess there is always hpi or autosalon or something lol |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
V8 Limited
Posts: 1203
Reg: 09-2007
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same deal with me Daniel. my ultimate car costs upwards of 200k so obviously till i get to the point in my life where i can afford that (or win the lottery) the soarer will be my favourite. |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
4.0GT UZZ30
Posts: 3903
Reg: 11-2005
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Ali Saeed wrote on Monday, October 19, 2009 - 07:38 pm:my ultimate car costs upwards of 200k so obviously till i get to the point in my life where i can afford that (or win the lottery) the soarer will be my favourite.
Agreed. Soarer's are the best for now.
If I had my way, had the time and bucket loads of cash the 40-60k thats been talked about.... I could think of nothing better than to get a nice enough UZZ30/31, put it in a nice big garage, and pull the entire thing apart back to the body, and go through the entire process of rebuilding everything and refurbishing it, a new paint job and all that.
Fit the basic upgrades, of a full stainless exhaust, 5/6 speed manual, TRD LSD, bigger 4/2 pot brakes, decent wheels, 1997 factory kit, whipple s/c setup, standalone ecu, etc etc.
I'd rather have the cash to do that than buy some 50-100k second hand Euro sports car.
Mmmmmmmm one day maybe. One day...
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Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1866
Reg: 08-2005
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Not perfect but it's a good starting point. Might paint it blood red with a satin black hood. |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
4.0GT UZZ30
Posts: 3904
Reg: 11-2005
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I like the sound of that, what series is that, early 70s model? |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
V8 Limited
Posts: 1207
Reg: 09-2007
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mm i like that. a cousin of mine has a 69 fastback in maroon, man its mint |
Sebastian Grant
DieHard
nsw
soarer TT
Posts: 739
Reg: 01-2008
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What would you consider the soarers more exotic equivalent? For example the gtr is the cheap porsche gt3 I guess. I think it's similar to the bentley continental GT which just so happens to be my favourite exotic car. They both have clean lines, are pretty quick and are very comfortable to drive. |
David Tra
Goo Roo
qld
TT
Posts: 1191
Reg: 11-2007
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I want a pony |
Brett Cutts
TryHard
south australia
TT & V8
Posts: 365
Reg: 07-2008
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hey miles if we park your stang my tbird and a yard full of soarers together do you think we can breed them and wind up with a big block soarer  |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1867
Reg: 08-2005
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It's a 69 fastback not Mach 1 tho. Sorry but there is no exotic anything about the soarer. It's a great car at the price tho. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5560
Reg: 03-2006
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Nice one Miles !!! 351 or 390 ? |
Aiden Cheese
TryHard
QLD
Soarer jzz30
Posts: 122
Reg: 09-2009
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Just being picky
Dictionary: ex·ot·ic
adj.
From another part of the world; foreign: exotic tropical plants in a greenhouse. See synonyms at foreign. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1868
Reg: 08-2005
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302 in it at the moment. |
Sebastian Grant
DieHard
nsw
soarer TT
Posts: 740
Reg: 01-2008
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True Miles but it is a great base for customising though. Miles if money was no object would you rather the ultimate mustang say an elanor super snake or a chip foose one off or one of italy's finest? |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 4563
Reg: 09-2005
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Miles Baker wrote on Monday, October 19, 2009 - 10:47 pm:Not perfect but it's a good starting point. Might paint it blood red with a satin black hood. :-)
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Bobby Green
TryHard
QLD
TT
Posts: 398
Reg: 09-2005
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If money was no object we would probably be on a yacht or airplane message board now. The people I know who are loaded for the most part don't give a f about cars. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5562
Reg: 03-2006
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Bugger that . The longer you stay in the Air, the faster your chances of Failing and becoming a statistic ....
The longer you stay in the water, the sooner your gonna sink,lol ...
Id rather a car regardless ;) |
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