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Raj Somarouthu
Tinkerer Scotland Soarer V8
Posts: 34 Reg: 07-2009
| What do you guys think about this? Swapping a soarer V8 and tranny for a 2UR-GSE and 8 Speed Auto box AA80E The new 2UR-GSE from the new 5.0 V8 Lexus ISF comes out of the box with 300KW. Add a supercharger on the top of that, you will be laughing Would be very interesting to see the first project of this sort! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_UR_engine The following image is from wikipedia Attachment is from the rollaclub |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand 4.0GT UZZ30
Posts: 3911 Reg: 11-2005
| ..... Do you have any idea of what an insanely complicated job with would be? If it's even possible which it probably is not. The cost to buy the engine and require parts from Toyota (if you can) would be in the range approaching $100,000.... I doubt you would find one at a wreckers anytime soon either. Then to make it go you would pretty much have to rebuild the entire car and rewire everything... and modify god knows what to make it fit. Another 50k to do it properly. Could just get an IS-F for the same price. You dont seem to appreciate what the Soarers offer, they aren't safe enough, not fast enough.. you should get a lovely BMW or Mercedes so you can wave the 'prestigious' logo around... I sense that is what you really need.
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Dave Rose
DieHard wa uzz31 v8
Posts: 986 Reg: 03-2007
| So thats a no then Mike |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand 4.0GT UZZ30
Posts: 3915 Reg: 11-2005
| Pardon? Just raving as usual. Nothing new. |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo WA V8 Limited
Posts: 1212 Reg: 09-2007
| bmw, mercedes..prestige? lol. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo North Island JZZ31
Posts: 4816 Reg: 10-2005
| Well, I guess you could scope the write-off auctions waiting for someone to total their IS-F in a way that doesn't ruin the engine... then you might have something to start with. But yeah, where would you go from there? Getting the dash to work properly alone would be a head bender - but I guess all the signals are there if you have the time, equipment and knowledge to work it all out. Then you'd probably need to have a custom driveshaft fabricated, custom cross-members, custom headers, custom exhaust, custom engine mounts, try and find a radiator that'll work or custom again... the list goes on and on. In the end probably cheaper to take that wrecked LS-F and rebuild it instead. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo NSW TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5563 Reg: 03-2006
| NOt to mention 8 Speed Auto box... WHat a complete and utter waste of time and BuLL5HIT That is !!!! The only thing that needs more gears than 6 is a Kenworth or a Mack pushing over 500hp and needs 16 gears minimum,lol ... What the hell where Lexus thinking ? |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand 4.0GT UZZ30
Posts: 3916 Reg: 11-2005
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Ali Saeed wrote on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 12:05 am:bmw, mercedes..prestige? lol.
Hence the ' prestige '
Daniel Clarke wrote on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 07:17 am:What the hell where Lexus thinking ?
Yeah those 8 speed boxes make no sense... 6 is tried and proven. 8 is just too many. I also hate it how they decided to make the IS-F beep everytime it changes gear.... madness. |
Aiden Cheese
TryHard QLD Soarer jzz30
Posts: 126 Reg: 09-2009
| Do it. |
Bobby Green
TryHard QLD TT
Posts: 400 Reg: 09-2005
| Anything is possible with money. Crate motor from Japan wouldn't be anywhere near 100k, Mike. Under $25k. The issue is that everything is integrated in newer cars so you'd need the gearbox and the standard ECU at minimum to get it to run. You'd be better off with the 4.7 litre 2uz, which have been fitted into supras before easily and can be stroked to 5.4L or you could go to forced induction. |
Luke Bell
TryHard NSW JZZ30 GT-TL Manual
Posts: 219 Reg: 04-2006
| I would love to see it done its a fantastic engine and gearbox. But good luck actually getting hold of one! |
Aiden Cheese
TryHard QLD Soarer jzz30
Posts: 129 Reg: 09-2009
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Luke Bell wrote on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 12:48 pm:But good luck actually getting hold of one!
Just get the engine outright. Its not like they've stopped producing them. |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand 4.0GT UZZ30
Posts: 3920 Reg: 11-2005
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Bobby Green wrote on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 12:08 pm:Anything is possible with money. :-) Crate motor from Japan wouldn't be anywhere near 100k, Mike. Under $25k. The issue is that everything is integrated in newer cars so you'd need the gearbox and the standard ECU at minimum to get it to run.
$25k including gearbox & related parts? Guess the only way of knowing exactly is by asking Toyota It's a stupid idea anyway. Your best of with the best soarer engine, the 1UZFE, rebuilding it group up for a highly efficient Twin Turbo or Supercharged setup. Much better realistic idea. Even that would be a 20k project or so, if your serious about doing it right. |
Adam Peterson
Goo Roo Western Australia Supercharged & Intercooled V8
Posts: 2786 Reg: 04-2006
| After seeing an E36 M5 engine in a 3 series 1985 BMW, anything is possible. |
Raj Somarouthu
Tinkerer Scotland Soarer V8
Posts: 35 Reg: 07-2009
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Mike Beck wrote on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 11:37 pm:
Mike you got to chill out mate! I am more than 100% sure that some one is going to do this conversion either into a soarer or into a supra! It is not going to be simple but someone out there would have enough time and dosh to spend and some may do it for fun or just to prove a point! Also a new ISF is costing $64000 AUD, so I would think in a year or so we can get the engine and tranny for $15000 - $20000. Just because I asked a few critical questions about the car w.r.t your experiences doesn't mean I don't like my soarer. Esp most of the guys on this forum has loads of experience with their soarers and it inspires me to tinker around and do some upgrades.I love my soarer to bits as it always puts a smile on my face. This is one of the best cars I have driven and I will never sell it! Anyway I only started this thread coz I found some interesting stuff about some new developments from Lexus and thought you guys would be interested to read and drop a line or two with your views. Funny how everytime I post a thread some one manages to come along puffing fumes at my views or is it the eye candy that is making your temper-ature to go up ;-) |
Aiden Cheese
TryHard QLD Soarer jzz30
Posts: 133 Reg: 09-2009
| Its easy enough 1) Pull out old engine 2) test fit new engine 3) take measurements to fabricate new mounts 4) make modifications if neccessary to firewall to fit transmission 5) mount new engine 6) take some dimensions to fabricate/modify drive shaft 7) mount the ecu/trans ecu and organise the wiring 8) find some hoses that will suit the coolant (the mounts for the radiator will likely be different so too will be the distance from engine to radiator) 9) get a hose guy to make some hoses for the transmission fluid to radiator 10) bend some fuel hard lines up to as close as possible and bracket them in place 11) get some efi hose to hook up the engine to the hard lines 12) play around with the electrics and starter motor 13) custom up a new selecter linkage running from transmission to your cabin transmission selector 14) wire up some transmission to buttons on your selector (overdrive etc). 15) turn her over! See 15 easy steps! (Note: i don't take any responsibility for missing steps ) |
Christian Somerville
TryHard South Australia UZZ31 V8 LTD
Posts: 208 Reg: 03-2009
| Would love to see this done! Maybe a 3UZ-FE from an SC430 would be easier to do, but it's still a good idea! |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand 4.0GT UZZ30
Posts: 3928 Reg: 11-2005
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Raj Somarouthu wrote on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 08:48 am:Also a new ISF is costing $64000 AUD
Try doubling that. |
Aiden Cheese
TryHard QLD Soarer jzz30
Posts: 134 Reg: 09-2009
| yeah isn't it like $127400 RRP? |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1886 Reg: 08-2005
| Go ask Lexus how much for a motor. You will be surprised. 20 grand? Think again. The wheels are almost 10. |
Andrew Duaso
TryHard Victoria V8
Posts: 403 Reg: 02-2009
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Miles Baker wrote on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 10:56 am:
Go ask Lexus how much for a motor. You will be surprised. 20 grand? Think again. The wheels are almost 10. i recall a few years ago i was mentioned by someone with too much tim on their hands that a $30k Magna would cost well over $1 million to buy from spare parts so yeah 120K car crate motor could easily be 70k+ LOL |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand 4.0GT UZZ30
Posts: 3939 Reg: 11-2005
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Andrew Duaso wrote on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:06 am:i recall a few years ago i was mentioned by someone with too much tim on their hands that a $30k Magna would cost well over $1 million to buy from spare parts so yeah 120K car crate motor could easily be 70k+ LOL
Exactly. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1887 Reg: 08-2005
| Yep.. try some of these on for size old school 572 Chevy big block was about $20k last time I checked 427 LS7 is well past $20k ZR1's LS9 supercharged is $30k+ Ford's blown 5.4 modular is nudging $30k Those prices have no transmissions and no accessories like alternator, PS etc.. |
Tristan Gregory
Tinkerer QLD UZZ31
Posts: 62 Reg: 10-2008
| 1GZFE would be nice. |
Will Schultz
TryHard new south wales tt
Posts: 210 Reg: 05-2007
| Expensive sure, but if there was someone out there with more money than sense silly enough to give it a go.......it would be cool. |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand 4.0GT UZZ30
Posts: 3950 Reg: 11-2005
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Tristan Gregory wrote on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 03:29 pm:1GZFE would be nice.
It's been done in Japan, some Supra track car had one fitted... Few things on the internet about it if you look. |
Bobby Green
TryHard QLD TT
Posts: 404 Reg: 09-2005
| It can't be that much for a crate motor. I don't know the exact cost but I do know a brand new Subaru STi crate motor is $13,000 from Aus dealer and my mate who's a senior mechanic at the local Lexus dealership quoted $18k for a v8 out of the new GS series. Also, the ISF is under $AUD60k brand new in the US at current exchange rate in the US. You'd be a retard to pay Australian prices, especially considering how cheap it is to ship from the US now. It does make more sense to go with a 2uz or even an LS1 or LS2, but it would be nowhere near 100k. |
Simon Triantafillou
Goo Roo NSW Soarer Turbo
Posts: 1364 Reg: 07-2005
| Until it gets to customs... and they charge you based on current value, not purchase value. And since the car is available here for $140k, you'll probably end up paying more than buying locally. And I don't think all states allow for LHD vehicles under 30 years old. |
Bobby Green
TryHard QLD TT
Posts: 405 Reg: 09-2005
| Yea, not to buy the car outright, just for a halfcut or the motor. Can't rego it period unless it's a personal import since they are sold here new. This is all harmless fun to think about anyway, soarers are a budget sports car and there's plenty of motors out there available much cheaper to get good power, which make them more likely candidates. Has anyone done one of those Century V12 conversions yet in a soarer. I've seen it in a supra before, would be cool if someone in aus did one. |
Andrew Duaso
TryHard Victoria V8
Posts: 405 Reg: 02-2009
| dudes it will be dear as c'mon toyota arent known for cheap parts....... anyway i know someone who was quoted 15 for and engine (no accessories) just engine supply & fit into the old model smart fortwo.... they were 20k brandnew as a base price!!!! thats mercedes for you... still why bother! i want the turbo kit, 300rwkw and 10k man you'll be smoking tyres |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand 4.0GT UZZ30
Posts: 3952 Reg: 11-2005
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Andrew Duaso wrote on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 06:14 pm:i want the turbo kit, 300rwkw and 10k man you'll be smoking tyres
Exactly... The stock 1JZ or 1UZ are brilliant bases to work on. And both very different options, the classic straight six or the smooth V8. Spend 10k on both and you can get quite a bit out of them if you play your cards right. Results that would easily surpass some ultra expensive new motor at a fraction of the cost. |
Damian Ware
Goo Roo Victoria UZZ32
Posts: 1166 Reg: 10-2005
| Andrew what are you basing that on. Toyota parts are generally fairly cheap and very good quality. Not much more than local holden and ford parts and generally better quality. Mazda parts are 4-5 times the price of Toyota parts. As to brand new motors for conversions I'm sure there are better options. The Ultimate GTR uses a GM V8 create motor that is about 8k USD. I cant recall the exact specs but it is slightly tuned up from factory compared with its OEM applications not exactly super dear for a brand new motor. I would look around and find a good suitable alternative or add a blower to the 1uz. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1892 Reg: 08-2005
| Bit of a difference between an sti four banger and lexus's top v8 with direct injection and an 8 speed box. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1893 Reg: 08-2005
| You'd be better off with an LSx anyway. 2ur is 400hp 5litre. Ls is 430hp at 6litre. I believe the LS is lighter and cheaper and dead easy to drop in and has instant upgrade path to 580hp at $cheap. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo NSW TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5581 Reg: 03-2006
| Yeah but its a Chev engine ,hehe . IM a ford man myself miles , so throw me a nice modular 4.6 package from the states ;) They produce some very nice numbers with bolt ons too . |
Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo WA Soarer TT
Posts: 2869 Reg: 07-2005
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Raj Somarouthu wrote on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 11:12 pm:you will be laughing
And have everyone who went for a 2JZ, 1UZ turbo, 2UZ turbo, RB26, Chev OR Ford conversion in their Soarer laugh at you. It just isn't going to be happen. I could put a jet engine in my Soarer and I'd be laughing too...doesn't make it practical. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1894 Reg: 08-2005
| I thought ford finally had a win with the quad cam modular. But somehow chev pulled even more power outta the old pushrods. Ford just can't seem to catch a break in the crate motor area. Tho they did get the modular in the first koeniggsegg if I'm not mistaken. |
Cihan Aday
Moderator etuner.com.au JZZ30
Posts: 3066 Reg: 07-2005
| A 600hp NA 1UZ would be nicer. Give that a go, Raj. |
Slav Todorovic
TryHard nsw tt pov pack
Posts: 111 Reg: 05-2009
| Mate if they were only 64K aud youd be mad not to buy one. But theyre a more than that Raj. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo NSW TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5584 Reg: 03-2006
| Ford do pretty good , they are only 4.6L , not 6L like the dinosaurs . SO i guess on the scale of things, they produce pretty good numbers . The 4.6 Loves bein freed up and supercharged . PLenty of whipple kits that will make 450-500 rwhp. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1897 Reg: 08-2005
| Yeah but heads cam and a remap sees the 6.0 reliably hitting 580, often 600. Dinosaur it may be, but god it's lighter and loads easier to work on. |
Steven Anderson
TryHard NSW UZZ31 Manual
Posts: 390 Reg: 05-2006
| the ford modular engine is..... modular!! (imaginge that) so it comes in a variety of sizes including the 5.4 we see here in australia and also supercharged in the GT500 mustang and also in the ford gt. Unfortunately, it has a long stroke and doesnt seem to have oodles of power in reserve like the LSx series has. Last dyno i got to the LS2's were putting down an easy 300-320rwkw with just intake, exhaust, cam and tune. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo NSW TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5587 Reg: 03-2006
| The 4.6 has plenty of potential, i was talking bolt on supercharger kit to make over 500rwhp using stock engine , heads and cams . |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1904 Reg: 08-2005
| Yeah, it's a good motor no doubt. It's just not big enough. The Chevy motor makes that with just a remap, and it's easier to work on when you do swap the heads and cam. I reeeeally thought Ford had something there.. but the LS motors are crate motor of choice these days. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo NSW TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5590 Reg: 03-2006
| Its a shame ford dont make it larger to try and compete with the 6+L chevy engines . Although there is a 4.6L making over 2300hp and runs 6.3's ;) So there is hope yet. Thats with a modified factory head ! |