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Warren Moore
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Victoria
JZZ31 2JZ-GE

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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 01:03 am, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi

I purchased my first car, N/A 2jz, off Kevin Trac, who is a member here, about 2 weeks ago now. I bought it off him for $9500 including freight costs to get it sent from Sydney to Melbourne.

I did not look at the car in person before I purchased it, but I had received many pictures and a few videos of the car. Kevin also sent me scans of the import papers.

When the car arrived it was covered from head to toe in dust as you would expect after being on some truck for some thousand kilometers. Took it to the car wash that night as you do after you buy your first car.

After the wash I took it home to take a close inspection and I noticed there were a few things that were not pleasing.

First thing I noticed was a rattle coming from underneath the car whilst idle. I contacted Kevin and he said it was the heat shield on the exhaust and a mechanic would fix it easily.

Second thing I noticed was a very very deep scratch on the left quarter panel along with quite deep scratches on the left side of the car. Refer to this thread:
http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/283/309940.html?1265718641

I also noticed some minor but costly things with the car. Boot struts needed re-gassing, fog light and rear indicator needed new bulbs, boot lever did not unlock boot, rear window water sprayer did not work and the sub and tweeters did not work (am yet to look at them properly). I didn't really worry to much about these things as they are only minor.

Took it into the garage today for a service and a RWC. I got a call later today saying that I need new tyres all round, which would cost $500, because the current tyres did not pass roadworthy standards. He also informed me that it was not the heat shield that was causing the rattle, but the cat itself. Mechanic informed me to go to an exhausts specialist to either fix it or replace the cat but it could cost $300-$400.

Anyway, this is the position I am left in at the moment and I'm not quite sure what to do. I have already spoken to Kevin but he says that I could buy a 2nd hand cat off these forums raady rah but that's not the point. The point is I purchased a car off a private seller and they did not state any single one of these problems during my inquiries. Now I am left to pay up to a grand to get the car to roadworthy standards to even get it on the roads legally.

Would it be out of the my right intentions to ask Kevin for some kind of partial refund to cover the costs of repairs? I mean, a car should not be sold with costly problems unless otherwise stated right? I'm really not sure as I'm 17 and this is the first car I have bought.

Thanks
Marc Hoffmann
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 01:47 am, by:  Marc Hoffmann (Rushed) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nope, thats the problem buying unseen, there are companies like the differing states versions of the racv that do car checks etc.

hell even buying from a dealer your still stuck as no warranty for cars over 10 years.

it sounds like many of the problems are parts that many people would replace anyway cat (when doing new exhaust), sub (upgrade) so they could be used as excuses to upgrade.

it is bad that the pics and videos didnt show the damage or bald tires, thats where you learn a painfull lesson not to trust peoples word, if i was spending 10k on a car at 17 i would have spent $150 odd and flew down for a look 1st.

p.s. those p-legal soarers cost heaps, i got mine for $6400 on road... have spent another 5 since then though haha!
Warren Moore
Tinkerer
Victoria
JZZ31 2JZ-GE

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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 02:14 am, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah well by the looks of things I'm going to have to spend another 5-7 on it. Takes a while when your earning $10/hr let me tell you haha
Matthew Sharpe
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JZZ31

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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 06:46 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All sound like pretty minor problems. Boot switch is probably being caused by the lock, the little silver button with the key next to the switch. Just put your key in and turn it and the button should pop out. You can get new boot struts from Supercheap for bugger all (something like $30 each - do a search and you will find the part number) Fitting them is pretty easy (make sure you have a quality spanner set as the nuts are very difficult to remove if its never been done before due to paint)

Rear water sprayer can take a LONG time to suck water through if it hasn't been used in a while...

Fog lights are a pain in the arse on JZZ31's - expensive little buggers too! H1's - around $20+ for a decent quality one - and around 20 minutes work to put them in! Indicator bulbs are cheap and easy.

Tyres are consumables, but I guess should have been taken into consideration considring the high price of the car.

The scratches are the big problem. That one in the picture has a bit of rust on it, so has probably been there for a week or two at least, probably more in the Aussie climate... yeah, I'd be pissed too.
Tim Ross
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 07:59 am, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry to see you got stung. Even if it is an N/A, you paid too much... which I know is of little comfort right now.

There are a few members on here will will recall Kevins history as a seller when he sold a set of seats that were meant to be in perfect condition.

Images were taken at sneaky angles, once buyer had received the seats he noticed they had cigarette burns in them.

Never met the guy, but the reputation he had was that of being quite the dodgy bugger.

How members like this are allowed to keep their membership after the first offence is a mystery to me.
David Tra
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TT

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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 09:05 am, by:  David Tra (Bookie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its Kevin Trac. Nuff said.

All you can do now is learn from this experience Warren.

Get a second hand cat or shop around. Do you have a right price exhaust down there?
Tim Ross
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 09:34 am, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyways Warren, dont let it get you down.

I'm sure that once these issues are sorted out, you'll be back in love with the vehicle in no time... stay positive :-)
Warren Moore
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Victoria
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 11:54 am, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Tra wrote on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 09:05 am:

Get a second hand cat or shop around. Do you have a right price exhaust down there?




Haven't been to the exhaust place yet but I figured because I need to get it done, I may as well just get a full catback system with high flow cats and some nice 2.5" tips. May as well get it done properly.
David Tra
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 03:39 pm, by:  David Tra (Bookie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

excellent idea Warren.

Sounds like your new to the automotive industry, so try and get as much quotes as you can.

Keep us in the loop. Even if you want us to review the quotes :-)

ps. You only need one cat :-)

meow
Aaron Casey
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 05:27 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sorry to hear warren yeah hopefully you can get it all sorted out fairly quick and cheap as possible.
nice 2.5 inch system and twin exhausts usually sound pretty nice with the n/a 2j as my sister has a non turbo supra with an exhaust.
Don Bagnall
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 05:45 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Tim Ross wrote on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 07:59 am:

How members like this are allowed to keep their membership after the first offence is a mystery to me.



No mystery Tim.

Deals between forum members are just that, NOTHING to do with Soarer Central.

"Buyer Beware" or "Caveat Emptor" (Latin version).

Warren Moore
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 05:59 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Tim Ross wrote on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 09:34 am:

Its Kevin Trac. Nuff said.




I did not come on here to flame against certain members, I just wanted some advice.

Anyway I will keep you guys posted on it's progress. First thing would be the new exhaust system.
Tim Ross
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 06:08 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

But having these people remain here adds no benefit whatsoever to the Soarer community who are upfront, honest, helpful, and trustworthy.

Whilst the buyer beware principle is common sense, leaving dodgy folk free to continually rip-off unsuspecting members is in no ones best interests.

It has EVERYTHING to do with this forum as it provides the medium for which these transactions occur, and I would strongly like to think that if it is clearly proven someone has partaken in underhanded dealings, that some element of enforcement is taken to prevent future recurrances.

It could well be argued that had Kevin Trac been banned in the first place after his previous indiscretions, Warren may well have not been put in the situation he is in at the moment... thus implying a degree of liability back to Soarer Central as it KNOWINGLY let a dodgy trater continue to use this site for their financial gain.

I would strongly recommend reconsidering your position with regards to these matters

All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke
Tim Ross
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 06:18 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

and in fact it appears these mechanisms are in place

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/52956/52958.html?1142403169

just not used as fastidiously as they should it seems
Vinh Bui
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 06:29 pm, by:  Vinh Bui (Hyudsjk) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Warren, you should have made a thread on here asking for some NSW members' help with the car you were intending to (or in this case already) purchase.

I, for one, would have gladly taken some time out of my week to inspect the vehicle first hand for you as mine was also factory black and I'm pretty anal about my cars (ask anyone that knows me). Have had a Soarer since 2004 yadda yadda so I know about most niggling issues. I performed this little service for another member on here - David Grab - last year some time and I'm sure he's grateful for it (otherwise go die in hell David :-))

Anyway, there's not much you can do now but take it as a lesson learnt. In future, always inspect the car in person, otherwise get someone who's knowledgeable to check it out for you.
Don Bagnall
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 08:02 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Tim Ross wrote on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 06:08 pm:

But having these people remain here adds no benefit whatsoever to the Soarer community who are upfront, honest, helpful, and trustworthy.

Whilst the buyer beware principle is common sense, leaving dodgy folk free to continually rip-off unsuspecting members is in no ones best interests.

It has EVERYTHING to do with this forum as it provides the medium for which these transactions occur, and I would strongly like to think that if it is clearly proven someone has partaken in underhanded dealings, that some element of enforcement is taken to prevent future recurrances.

It could well be argued that had Kevin Trac been banned in the first place after his previous indiscretions, Warren may well have not been put in the situation he is in at the moment... thus implying a degree of liability back to Soarer Central as it KNOWINGLY let a dodgy trater continue to use this site for their financial gain.



I agree in principle with everything you say Tim, but the reality is, we (as in Soarer Central), can't be seen to be judgmental.

James Buchan
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Friday, February 12, 2010 - 11:58 pm, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shame to hear of what has happened mate. Sad fact of life.

When I bought mine, I had no idea the power steering pump or alternator were screwed. I was not told, and I believe the previous owner had masked it up enough so that it'd work fine for my test drive. Anyway, I thought all was okay, even though things were not. Second day of owning the car resulted in a new alternator, and power steering pump.

Slowly working my way through other little bits I want fixed or changed. It's a work in progress.
As for my exhaust, I somehow managed to break a baffle in my exhaust which resulted in a horrible drone on the left bank. My whole system has been changed now from the headers back. I started with a catback exhaust system first.
Mike Beck
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 12:15 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Negative.

It is YOUR fault for not looking at the car sight unseen, total gamble.

The idea of buying something is that you see exactly what your getting, and take it for a drive.

Otherwise your going to be in for surprises, like what has happened to you.

I think you over paid big time for a 1994 JZZ31 @ $9500 and needing work. Even that is expensive for a V8 these days

I bought my 1996 JZZ31 2 years ago and it was in good order with no mechanical issues, $4000.
Warren Moore
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 10:12 am, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mike Beck wrote on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 12:15 am:

I bought my 1996 JZZ31 2 years ago and it was in good order with no mechanical issues, $4000.




Well thanks, that's good to know
Bobby Green
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TT

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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 10:36 am, by:  Bobby Green (Nash) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mike is in NZ, making that comparison worthless. Just fix up the little things and enjoy it as a P plater car. Don't do it up. When you're off your P's sell it at a price premium to another P plater and then get something more performance orientated if that is what you are after.
Matthew Sharpe
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 10:48 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, I hope Kevins losing some sleep anyway - way to screw over a young guy buying his first car! Thats pretty damn low, regardless of "buyer be ware" or not.
Aiden Cheese
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 05:53 pm, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I bought my TT with 99k on the clock with only a few issues (overheating which was a split hose) and the cd stacker didn't read discs. That was $6500.

I don't mean to be rude, but if you're putting down that kind of money, you really have to spend a few hundred hours looking. I saw 12 different soarers before settling on that one. I drove 200km's to inspect it for 30mins before driving another 200km's home.
Shane Haverkamp
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 09:17 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yep its a simple case of buyer beware

i paid $8500 for my TT with 76,000k's on the clock (prob not genuine k's)
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 10:01 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Caveat Emptor- Let the Buyer Beware.

Big difference don't you think?
Warren Moore
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 11:32 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just came across this thread Kevin posted some time ago on another site when he bought the soarer he sold me. He found out the odo had been wound back. Interesting read.

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=593031
Warren Moore
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 11:39 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Came across this also

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=648458
Tim Ross
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 12:21 am, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

need to be a member on that site to read those links
Matt Sartori
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 12:25 am, by:  Matt Sartori (Klutch) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1st link; Odo had been wound back

2nd link; he jacked it up on a point that you're not suppose to and bent the floor
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 12:32 am, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In which case, is this enough to be considered proof that he has acted in a fraudulent manner with the sale of the vehicle?

and if so, would it be worth looking to have charges pressed?
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 12:56 am, by:  Matt Sartori (Klutch) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If kevin trac knows that the odometre had been wound back, yet still sold it as the KM that the odo said...then i'm pretty sure that can result in a pretty big fine?

Might be wrong.
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 01:27 am, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i'd be printing out them threads and gathering all the evidence then talking to a solicitor

there has to be a reasonable amount of money you could get back from the purchase, sure buyer beware, but winding back the odo is illegal and no racv check is going to tell you that, even though pretty much all soarers have non genuine km's
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 01:33 am, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

that said a 15yo car ill have problems and some may be unknown to the owner, i could sell you my car but cant garantee you wont have any issues with it, im no mechanic with a hoist so i could say my car is fine but then when going through rwc the diff bushings could be shagged, but i didnt know that, you know where im heading

also the scratch may have been done during transit, get a report from the transport company, i sent my Valiant to sa and the put a decent ding in the front 1/4 this car was like glass man smooth as, my old man picked it up and though i must have done it and didnt question them

any way gd luck with the car i hope you sort it out and try not to stress, iv been there and done that, it can be a nightmare sometimes but it will be worth it in the end
Warren Moore
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 01:46 am, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew, Kevin knew there was a noise coming from underneath the car but he said it was the heat shield. He sold the car knowing about this problem yet did not speak of such things during my inquiries, I only found out once I received the car. He also said the dent was there before he sent it. He said he left it in a car park and it was like that when he got back. Load of bullsh|t if you ask me.
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 03:50 am, by:  Mark Pattel  (Mark1414) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Even if it is interstate if your that interested you should look for yourself, as I have done in the past (never trust the seller) if its too good to be true it probably is. I bought a tt soarer in 2006 for 7k and it was good condition, for 9.5k for a non turbo soarer you would want something immaculate.
Marc Hoffmann
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 09:23 am, by:  Marc Hoffmann (Rushed) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i agree with Andrew, all though buying it hasn't been the biggest highlight for you, just concentrate on the reason why you bought the soarer, build it the way you want it and enjoy it mate.

dont let the actions or inactions of another ruin your happiness.
Sebastian Grant
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 11:09 am, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Warren, I can't believe you didn't run a search on Kevin on here before purchasing. The third and fifth thread would have been enough to put you off the sale. I loved reading how when he first bought the car his rims were a high offset but when he went to sell them they all of a sudden became the perfect offset for a soarer. Then there was the decietful sale of his seats. Now he's selling some 97 tail lights that he doesn't think has cracks in them??? Pretty easy to see what the outcome will be from that sale. I'm sure that someone older and would have warned you against buying a car that you've never seen before but you went ahead with it anyway. There's nothing you can do about it now mate but take it as a learning curve. Don't modify the car, wait till you can drive a turbo and sell it, then take your time in finding a nice car. Unfortunately with sc having over a thousand members you're going to get some bad eggs and in my opinion Kevin is one of the worst.
Warren Moore
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 01:08 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess the final say is, at least it has an engine in it.
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 01:45 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My question is, Did you actually ask about any problems?? Or did you just send him money??

If you asked about these problems and you were deliberately lied to/decieved then you should be entitled to compensation/refund. though it may be a costly exercise to actually achieve this.
Warren Moore
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 01:50 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Of course I did Dan. I requested many photo's and videos also, in which every video and photo he had done a good job of not showing the left side of the car.

"It's in immaculate condition" seemed to be his quote.
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 04:05 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If that's true then I'd suggest you have a fair case against the seller.

Either the seller should pay to make the car into the condition as stated, of give you your money back and takes the car back.

Unfortunately for you it will be a legal battle and possibly expensive, though maybe less so than rectifying the car.

I will say that I bought those lights mentioned above off Kevin, and have not had an issue either with him, or with the lights which were as described.
Warren Moore
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Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 04:31 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well I don't really want to give the car back because then I will have to go through the process of looking for a new one again. I'm stuck with what I've got and I will fix it bit by bit. Just thought I'd post my story and get some advice. I may look into fair trading and see if anything can be done but I don't want to give the car back now after all I've been through.
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Monday, February 15, 2010 - 10:52 am, by:  David Tra (Bookie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tell me the positives about the car Warren? how do you feel when your driving her?
Warren Moore
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Monday, February 15, 2010 - 04:48 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well apart from the rattle I hear when I accelerate and the stiff ride I get from the coils (not used to them yet), she doesn't go to bad :-) Shes very tame and she has a little beef when you need it.
Ali Saeed
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WA
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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 03:41 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i bought my car of a guy here. it was perfect and exactly as stated. probably the cleanest 91 soarer ive seen in Perth...sorta subjective thought :-)

imo if you get a lawyer too send out some paper work, he'll probably bend over pretty easy and compensate you. not alot of people will be willing to go to court for this.

oh welcome to SC. not all of us lie cheat and steal :-)
Austen Menze
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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 11:08 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Congrats on the new Soarer Warren, hopefully this bad experience won't deter you from these awesome machines. There's lots of useful information here and most parts are readily available :-)
The N/A 2j's have a suprising amount of power for what they are!

Don't be put off by this, I've bought probably over 20 different things from people on this website and only had a problem once when Aussie post delivered something to the wrong address.

Kevin mate, if you're reading this you're a fu*k wit. I've read previous posts about you delibrately hiding damage in photos and failing to mention them in descriptions what the is with you?

Jeez this is the blokes first car, he's worked hard for that 9.5k he handed over to you and expected to get something as advertised. I can't imagine how let down Warren feels. You knew about the problems but didn't tell him, instead saying its in "immaculate condition". Absolute wanker! I remember someone (can't remember who) buying seats off you with the exact same story, you told them they were immaculate but they had ciggy burns in them.

Mate I hope you buy something off me so I can post you a bag of cat sh*t!

You need a good smack in the face with ethics like that. I hope you explode in your sleep.

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