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Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
Posts: 191
Reg: 12-2006
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Miles- um.. nice assumption... but no..
the car was seized and sold at auction in Japan.. i had a mate there at the time and i budgeted for a certain amount.. (roughly what it was going to cost me to build my car) i got outbid..
the point was that not everyone cares about legality of mods.. yeah in some states they are stricter than others.. but WA for example.. we dont have RWC's.. we dont need to pass annual checks etc.. if you get yellowed, you have to go over the pits.. simple..
my current soarer sits exactly 34mm off the ground at its lowest point.. has an exhaust which is well over 100db's.. has a 1j in it, despite being registered with a 1g... is manual despite being registered as auto..it has a locked diff, no interior, rollcage and i give no fark... i still drive it on the roads..
so just because you, or people you know DO care, dont guess that MOST do... it depends on the buyer and it depends on the target market..
Stomps |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4110
Reg: 02-2010
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Couldn't have said it better.  |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2514
Reg: 08-2005
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Rob,
If you can get a Soarer on TV and have it attain the same classic status as the cars on Wrecks to Riches then you might have something. Until then you are comparing apples and oranges. Again, you are trying to bat in a different league. A Soarer is not a classic muscle car. I am well aware of the economics of the muscle car market and they are totally different to the 15-20 year old Japanese coupe market.
Jerzy,
again you have not stated that the Japanese car sold for what it cost to build. Also, this car is not in WA is it?
If you guys want to live in dream land thinking that a modified Soarer is going to be at all remotely pleasant to sell asking top dollar.. well that's fine. But dreams are not what this thread is about. The OP was looking for reality.
Plenty of people on this forum like to look at Soarers through rose coloured glasses. The OP was after a picture of reality, not the jaded hopes of guys who like him have put a lot of money into a car. He should hardly be relying on "oh yeah illegal modifications don't absolutely destroy your chances of selling your car". Or "hey if it can work for a 69 Camaro on an American TV show, it applies to your Soarer too".
Grow up. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4111
Reg: 02-2010
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You obviously are the one living in dream land Miles thinking that people will only buy a car if it is 100% legally modified.
As for Wrecks to riches it was nothing to do with the type of car, it was the fact that highly modded cars are bringing a •••• load more than a restored vehicle.
I certainly don't look at Soarers through rose coloured glasses, if I did they would be going for the same $$$ as Supra's, and skylines of the same year. Which is not even close to what I am basing my estimate.
If you can buy a car of this quality for $6000, I'll take three. Let me know where to send payment. |
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
Posts: 193
Reg: 12-2006
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Miles- lol at dreamland..
speaking of which, i wonder if there is such a mythical place that someone can buy a car from another state... wow, what a place that would be... and maybe ship it over for $800... wow.. if only...
oh wait... whats this.. sellers arent limited to selling cars in their own states... OMG...
and no i didnt state that the s15 would have sold for what it cost to build.. but i also didnt say that it sold for a fraction of the cost of it either... there is no way that you could achieve the same outcome of the car in question with $12k.. if you started from scratch..
as for rose coloured glasses.. um.. again.. no.. i wouldnt own a z30 unless it was extremely modified and barely resembled a factory z30..
as for you thinking that people only want 100% legal cars... lol.. just lol..
i would say wake up, but where your head is seems to be far from dreamland.... im thinking of a darker place, with more schite..
Stomps |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
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Posts: 2515
Reg: 08-2005
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Rob,
If you want to talk about muscle cars, restored cars bring far more than modified. I suggest you watch some auctions. Restomods fetch far less than original cars except under the very slimmest circumstances. Such as a famous builder working on an unremarkable car. Apart from that, all of the highest dollar cars are original. I am plenty knowledgable about the prices of muscle cars considering I have a good couple hundred thousand tied up in them. If you want to base stupid assertions on what one TV builder gets for his cars, you are not doing yourself any favours. I am very bloody aware of the muscle car market.
Jerzy,
So you want to give the OP advice of how much his car is worth based on him finding an interstate buyer who is willing to pay top dollar for an illegally modified car. Yeah, sage advice that.
None of us here have said that the sale of the car would be IMPOSSIBLE at high $. If you look carefully we have all said it would be more difficult or take a lot longer. Have a look back and read before you throw around stupid insults. The OP is after an assessment of market value. Not some pie in the sky theoretical take-2-years-to-sell-it idiocy. The guy is looking for advice on what he is LIKELY to get for it. Not what he is UNLIKELY to get. Sheesh. We're not running on 3% probabilities here. I buy most of my cars from the US but do you think I am quoting to people the value of my cars based on what I could sell them to someone in Sweden for?
So if you would buy these heavily modified cars, why haven't you? Because it's all just dreams and BS. Selling a modified car, you are selling to a smaller segment of the community, and most are dreamers and BSers. I know, I'm one of them.
Also, exactly how many cars have you bought in the last 5 years? I'd say I've bought somewhere near 20. I've probably looked at 2 or 3 hundred cars at all ends of the market, original and modified. I have bought exactly ONE modified car, and I paid less for the car than the motor is worth. And I am more into this hobby of modifying cars than most of you will ever be. Even *I* don't spend good money on modified cars. |
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
Posts: 194
Reg: 12-2006
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oh Miles, how these chats cheer me up..
ok here we go..
1. my advice was that he could get $12k for the car..to the right buyer.. it may take a bit longer.. whats yours.. settle for less... great advice..
2. @ dreams and BS.. lol.. you are good at those assumptions arent you there miles.. but we'll get back to that..
3. what you seem to keep getting at is that YOU dont buy modified cars... so using my amazing deductive powers i conclude that YOU will not buy this car..
i couldnt give an airborne fornication about how many cars you have looked at or bought... how many soarers with the above mods have you bought?
at least that would make it a litte more relevant..
Miles Baker wrote on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 02:15 pm:And I am more into this hobby of modifying cars than most of you will ever be
Thankyou for proving my previous comment about where your noggin seems to be located..
now as for how many cars i've bought in the last 5 years.. only 6.. out of them i sold 4.. each was modified.. each sold for more than i bought it... each was sold to an enthusiast.. (yes a small market segment.. but hey, they sold..and i didnt have to accept lowball offers)
now back to point 2.. you said something similar to my cousin a while back about how it was all dreams and BS that he was going to get a IS250.. how it was impossible, how his work would never go for it..how.. (to paraphrase you) 'you may do the accounts at your work, but i sign the checks at mine baby'... making it seem like you are all knowing about all aspects...
in short.. you were wrong, guess what he got less than 3 months later...
i know i've mentioned that to you before, but you dont seem to get the point.. YOU are not a final authority.. and everytime you speak it becomes more obvious... which is fine.. it provides me with great entertainment.. in many threads now..
as for why i dont buy modified cars (or havent yet) its coz i decided it would be far wiser to get myself an investment property first.. while the market is still reasonable.. we bought our first house about a year ago, and spending 20-30k on a car now is silly... especially given i just spent $10k+ on the motor for my track car...and i can get a daily through work..
so i know this will be hard for you... but you know •••• all about me, and most others on here.. so dont make silly assumptions.. youll end up looking stupid..er..
sorry for the off topic dribble, but its a slow day at work, and like i said.. these little chats are amusing..
bye..
Stomps |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2516
Reg: 08-2005
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Well, when all else fails go ad hominem I guess.
Bottom line, you have failed to read my original posts where I included all the caveats that you are whining could mean a theoretical high dollar sale.
Enjoy. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2517
Reg: 08-2005
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Ohhhhh so you are Jerkoffski's cousin are you?
It all becomes clear now.
If you go back and READ THE THREAD you are talking about, you will see he was saying he was going to buy an ISF not an IS250. Not much of a reader are ya? Slight difference between 55k and 150k.
So he bought a 55k car? Ha ha. Again, thanks for proving my point from 3 years ago. Told him he wouldn't get the ISF and he didn't. He whined and moaned and came up with all kinds of stupid "if I do this and that and wait for this and cashflow bullsh1t" and in the end he got exactly what I told him he'd get. A car around the 57k luxury car tax mark. And no more. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4112
Reg: 02-2010
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Miles Baker wrote on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 02:15 pm:Rob,
If you want to talk about muscle cars, restored cars bring far more than modified. I suggest you watch some auctions. Restomods fetch far less than original cars except under the very slimmest circumstances. Such as a famous builder working on an unremarkable car. Apart from that, all of the highest dollar cars are original. I am plenty knowledgable about the prices of muscle cars considering I have a good couple hundred thousand tied up in them. If you want to base stupid assertions on what one TV builder gets for his cars, you are not doing yourself any favours. I am very bloody aware of the muscle car market.
Yeah well I am very "bloody" aware of the Auction industry and have been an auctioneer/valuer for over 10 years. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2518
Reg: 08-2005
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In Australia. And you're trying to comment on the American muscle car market from watching Wrecks to Riches. From talking to Shannon's auctioneers, they never have any idea what the cars are worth at their auctions. Hell, they even sold a Shelby Mustang to Kylie Minogue's dad just to discover it was a fake. Experts. Pfff.
I buy these cars. Regularly.
From your apples/oranges comparisons in this thread, you're obviously fantastic at your job. Spend any amount of time on a classic car board and you will see that the same question comes up all the time. "Should I modify my car? I want to but I know the value will drop"
Cars built on tv shows have no relevance to anything unless you are planning on someone here starting a successful car modification show in order to sell their car. |
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
Posts: 195
Reg: 12-2006
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not to take up too much more time.. but:
to quote you:
Daniel has an old IS300 and reckons he's gonna get an IS250 then reckons he's gonna get an ISF maybe when it's used or something or who knows?
so, he had an IS300, then got a 250.. and guess what he is getting when this lease expires.. YUP.. an ISF...
the fact of the matter was you were arguing that you CANT novate a car over $57k... he did.. roughly $70k i think..
you also said that no employer would let him do it... they did..
so wrong twice sunshine..
just one last thing.. "not much of a reader".. interesting.. considering:
Miles Baker wrote on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 02:56 pm:he was saying he was going to buy an ISF not an IS250
and from that thread..
when you said this:
Daniel has an old IS300 and reckons he's gonna get an IS250 then reckons he's gonna get an ISF maybe when it's used or something or who knows?
funnily enough that was in sep 2007, he said in 3 years he was getting an ISF.. his lease is being changed around august/sep... getting a ISF then... interesting aint it..
either way.. all this is off topic.. and now i finally have something to do today.. so im off..
been fun miles.. we should do it again some time..
but hey.. your ego obviously needs it so
you were right all along miles
Stomps |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2519
Reg: 08-2005
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Read further back mate. He carried on he was getting an ISF on lease.
Has he?
Furthermore, you said earlier in this thread that I told him he couldn't get an IS250. I never said that. In fact it was my premise all along that that is what he could get, and BS dreams of ISF ownership were his claims.
That's all your full of. BS about what people might be. Or could buy. Or should buy. The OP was looking for market value. Which is what people DO BUY. You haven't bought some souped up car, he hasn't bought an ISF. Well, odds are very slim someone is going to come along paying relatively big bucks for a modified Soarer. Possible? Maybe. But market value is not "maybe possible". That's dreamer BS value. The classic car market is full of dreamers and BSers. I've met so many of them talking about cars, selling cars, thinking about buying cars. It's easy to spot.
Money talks and bullsh1t walks. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4113
Reg: 02-2010
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Miles,
I have not insulted you so please don't start insulting me or my ability with in my profession.
Your entitled to your view as I am mine your view on this is very one sided and I don't agree.
I was using the Wrecks to riches as an example not as a comparison that modded cars can reach more than the originals especially when the classic car is not exactly rare. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2520
Reg: 08-2005
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No insult Rob, just if you're using your profession to gain some kind of position of authority on a topic, you need to prove it. I don't think you have and that's what I was expressing.
Again, your Wrecks to Riches example is meaningless. We are not talking about the handful of cars worldwide that have been built on a television show by a famous person. We are talking about modified cars, not cars modified on tv. I have also seen plenty of those cars RESOLD after the first new owner sells them. Guess what? Price plummets.
Food time. Back in a while. |
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
Posts: 196
Reg: 12-2006
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Miles Baker wrote on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 03:52 pm:Read further back mate. He carried on he was getting an ISF on lease.
Has he?
haha, not quite mate.. he never said he was getting one on lease that year.. he said its possible.. which it is... he also said it wasnt a good idea..
the only statement he made about what he was actually getting was that he was going from an is300 to a 250 to an ISF.. which he is..
but beyond all that.. you keep going on about market value... market value depends on target market.. obviously your target market for a car like this wouldnt be the same as people who are after stock soarers.. it would be for people looking for modified cars.. 2 completely different markets.. like you keep saying apples and oranges..
in terms of the modified car market.. a strong engined, nicely modified wide bodied soarer could easily fetch $12k...
when it comes to tidy wide body kits (especially for Toyotas) they are rare as rocking horse ••••••
we spent 2 years looking for real Jblood rear overfenders for my bro's 86.. and when finally tracking some down they werent cheap.. let alone a whole widebody kit...
while the cost of parts may not be huge, chasing down rare parts and how long and painful it is, is exactly why this car would be so appealing.. IMO..
all you need is a R154 conversions and youre sweet..
PS- •••• i would love 12" wide rims...
Stomps |
Miles Baker
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Reg: 08-2005
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Three years and still no ISF. Getting pretty close to the point where the car will be too old when it comes out of lease. They don't lease 10 year old cars. Even the cheapest second hand ISF is still over 100k. SO unless they drop another 30+ in the next year or so he's sh1t outta luck.
He's "going to" get an ISF. He's gonna get one when his current car comes out of lease. Sure. Whatever. More BS and dreams. I'm gonna buy a rocket and fly myself to Mars. Whatever. If that cockmaster manages to buy himself an ISF in the next 3 years I'll eat my words.
Like I said, BS and dreams. And in the end he's still driving a car he got for the price I told him he could get. And he's not driving the car he thought he could get.
Target market? Pff whatever. I guess he could get 300 grand from a target market of insane leprechauns. So why not say "that car is worth 300 grand"? Stretch it all you like, the realistic value for a reasonably comfortable sale is what was asked. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2522
Reg: 08-2005
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Jerzy Stopczynski wrote on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 02:48 pm:you said something similar to my cousin a while back about how it was all dreams and BS that he was going to get a IS250
Still waiting for a retraction on that one. |
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
Posts: 197
Reg: 12-2006
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wow you really dont get the point do you..
you really do live in your own little world..
take a breath, sound the words out as you read them.. it might help.... might..
you said $55k or $57k... it was over that.
like i mentioned before lease is up for renewal.. getting to end of 3rd year.. goot time to sell the 250 and move on.. ISF is a good choice.. and finance is not a problem.. feel free to argue.. but you dont know the situation, you never did.. and im guessing you never will.... if he leased a 70k car while he was on 70k.. i wonder what he can lease now?..
and yes.. for the last time.. Target Market... you wanna play silly games with mythical creatures.. knock yourself out.. no really.. please..
sure, if he was after an urgent sale.. the price you suggested would be what he should go for..
but he doesnt appear to be.. so a higher price would be a better option.. yes it may take longer.. but as i said, there doesnt seem to be urgency..
Stomps |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4114
Reg: 02-2010
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Miles,
I am not claiming to be the authority on anything, I am saying that I feel that I have enough experience to give an accurate estimate based on my time in the motor industry as well as owning 16 Soarers over the past 8 years.
You Question my ability in my profession as well as my estimate of this vehicles value but what makes you the expert on the value of Soarers sure you may have plenty of nice classic cars but they are not Soarers.
Apples and oranges don't you think.
Anyway as I said, if you think you can pick up another Soarer for $6000 in similar condition with similar mods let me know where to find one.
Put up or shut up. |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
Relaxed
IS300
Posts: 4943
Reg: 07-2005
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Ignoring the two pages of argument, there appear to have been about nine data points suggested for the expected value of the car, with results:
minimum $6k
average $9.1k
median $10k
maximum $12k
Looks like an answer to me.
WTF is the rest of the talk all about? Attempting revenge for defectable Jerzy's cousin (Daniel Czechowski) who was kicked off here years ago?
Rob, I am not referring to you at all. You have a point of view without carrying a tree on your shoulder. |
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
Posts: 199
Reg: 12-2006
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Lol @ tree on shoulder.. Hardly.. Just a simple example on how miles considers himself as an authority on everything even after being proven wrong..
Plus I Just like arguing with Miles.. It's good fun... Feel free tokick me off here over it..
I used to make a living off antagonizing people on forums while I was at uni.. Hard habit to drop I guess..
Stomps |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
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Posts: 2523
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"Stomps",
You said I said he could not get an IS250.
I never said that. On the contrary I said that was the range of vehicle he could get.
I said he couldn't get an ISF. He does not have an ISF.
Give Daniel my regards. I'm glad to hear he has still not managed to come good on his BS of 3 years ago. I guess it's good to have a dream though. Maybe once the ISF is 10 or 12 years old he will be able to buy one.
One more time because I know you're a little slow. You said that I said he would never get an IS250. That is wrong. Be a man and admit it. I absolutely agreed that his price range was IS250 not ISF.
And it's pretty funny to see you poking fun at my name when yours is Jerzy. Awesome.
Rob,
You brought classic cars into this, not me. I have merely been correcting all the garbage you have been spouting regarding classic cars.. trying to draw some parallel between them and a Soarer. I still do not understand the reason for this comment:
"Looking at your list of cars, what would you get for $7000-$8000 from that list? Not a whole lot I would imagine. "
What possible bearing did any of that bring to this conversation? None. Muscle cars are a completely different market and none of your points about them have any relation to this Soarer. All you have really managed to convince me is that you don't know much about the muscle car market either ??
I question your expertise because you try to draw parallels between cars and markets where there is none. It makes me wonder.
I do not need to "put up" in this case. You are the one saying the car can be sold for 12 grand. You put up a buyer or shut up. You commented that a buyer should be easy to find. Go on then.
In all of this I still have not seen anyone offering 12 grand for the car. And this is an international forum of Soarer enthusiasts. |
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
Posts: 200
Reg: 12-2006
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Miles Baker wrote on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 06:36 pm:And it's pretty funny to see you poking fun at my name when yours is Jerzy. Awesome.
haha, sorry that was a legit typo.. I typed that on my phone on my way home, it recognizes names from my phonebook and adds them in when the characters match.. The other messages were typed on my work pc.. Hence no issues..
I do apologise for that.. Sincerely
as for the rest, I'm gonna agree to disagree, I'm home now, had a couple of beers and it's no longer fun..got better things to do..
Thanks for the arvo fun, I still think the car could sell for 12k.. But I'm gonna leave it at that..
**passes peace pipe around our international table..
See yaz..
Stomps
p.s- I'll edit the above post if it still let's me |
Miles Baker
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So you're going to disagree that you claimed I said he couldn't get an IS250.
Wow, weasel runs in the genes. Or stupid. |
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
Posts: 201
Reg: 12-2006
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Lol @ weasel..
I don't disagree with that, I said it and stand by it.. I obviously read "you can't get a car over $57k (the IS cost him ~70)" as you can't get an is250...considering it costs over $57k... Just connecting the dots mate.. But hey, feel free to keep going.. By questioning my intelligence you are merely making yourself appear stupid..
Stomps |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4115
Reg: 02-2010
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Miles,
If you bothered to read the thread
This is not a for sale thread and the car is not actually for sale yet I am quite sure that it will sell for my estimated $10K-$12K when it does, the owner was just asking for estimates as to what it's worth at this stage.
As this ones not for sale I guess then its up to you to come up with one similar for your estimated $6000.
Question my expertise as much as you like, I really don't care, my knowledge of the industry has served me well and kept food on the table.
One thing you have certainly become an expert on is rudeness which has been demonstrated many times on this forum and whilst I may not have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cars, I do at least have manners and don't need to pretend to be superior to everyone else. |
David Vaughan
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Relaxed
IS300
Posts: 4944
Reg: 07-2005
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Rob, for the record, Miles estimated 7000-8000. I was the one who said 6000-7000, in contrast to the high estimates before me.
The average and median are 9,000-10,000 and 12,000 is the highest estimate to date. Of course it could sell for 12k. It could sell for even more, but it probably won't do either unless the perfect buyer comes along. This is a matter of probabilities rather than fixed price, just like any buying-selling range with which you would be familiar. |
Anthony Matthews
TryHard
Western Australia
Soarer GT Limited V8
Posts: 165
Reg: 04-2006
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I have nothing constructive to add to this mess...
BUT
Jerzy, you live in WestErn Australia, not WestArn Australia.
Any chance of you editing that, it's annoying the •••• out of me!
Ta.
Hug it out kids!  |
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
Posts: 202
Reg: 12-2006
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Lol, would love to mate, but I think the time limit has passed.. Feel free to contact an admin to do it ;)
stamps ;) |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
UZZ31
Posts: 2402
Reg: 09-2007
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didnt even notice that Anthony. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
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Reg: 08-2005
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Spot on, DV.
Noone ever seems to read what I actually post. They just go off on rants about what they think I posted.
Rob if you'd like to guarantee 12k, perhaps the OP can put it up for sale and you can make up the difference if it doesn't make 12? |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4116
Reg: 02-2010
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Wow, the award for the most ridiculous post of the day goes to you . 
Yeah, no one seems to read my posts either. My estimate was $10-$12K.
However I would be happy to put a small wager that he gets closer to my Valuation than yours. |
Christian Somerville
DieHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 LTD
Posts: 671
Reg: 03-2009
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I reckon he could get 12k from the right buyer. |
Bobby Green
DieHard
QLD
TT
Posts: 503
Reg: 09-2005
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$8k, damn. Should've sold up when I got offered $22k for mine. Enjoying the car far too much though and wouldn't be able to get anything quicker for the price. Soarers aren't worth anything these days imo, but that's part of the appeal for me. Plentiful and cheap parts on the second hand market and its fun embarrassing big $$$ cars in what people consider as just an old, heavy soarer. Anything relatively common with niche market demand isn't going to be that expensive. Enjoy these cars for what they are. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11626
Reg: 11-2004
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Jerzy Stopczynski wrote on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 08:00 pm:Lol, would love to mate, but I think the time limit has passed.. Feel free to contact an admin to do it ;)
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Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
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Ahh, cheers.. I thought he meant something I wrote in the thread...
On a completely different note.. A z20 soarer with 2j and t78 sold on another forum yesterday for $15k
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Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 4708
Reg: 09-2005
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I hope you boys arent debating specific prices or worth without inspecting the car in person still...
Miles, for what its worth i still think your points on mods devaluing a car are valid for the wider car market.
For import cars things are not as clear cut as mods can either mean the car has been thrashed (devalue the car) or someone has done a good job at improving the car on some level then you may see a slight increase in value. Uniqueness of a car (usually visually with Jap cars) will restrict the interested market however it seems to also drive the price up.
Eye of the beholder and all that. There is always a buyer for something, its just a matter of finding them. If you dont have the time or patience to sit around for 6months+ to sell a car then you will be forced to drop the price to make it more appealing, which is generally why the Soarer market has devalued the cars so dramatically over the last 5 years. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 5567
Reg: 10-2005
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Man, widebody Soarers are U-G-L-Y! |
Aiden Cheese
TryHard
QLD
Soarer jzz30
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Reg: 09-2009
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Callum Finch wrote on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 10:36 am:
Miles, for what its worth i still think your points on mods devaluing a car are valid for the wider car market.
Yeah a riced up civic or something isn't going to add any value. But say the same thing about a r32GTR which has had good money spent on it and clearly well maintained will actually work in favor because of the market they're selling to.
On average i found when looking at soarers the more expensive ones were the modded ones, mine was slightly cheaper being completely stock. Although I didn't want a car which had been modded. Hence i wasn't the market for the others.
But honestly if somoene came to me and said "I've got a riced lexus do you want it" i would still tell them that they riced the wrong car.
On the topic about classic cars: I know someone sold a 240z back to japan in stock condition and no rust for 87 000 dollars. It cost him here less than 15 000 to buy 20 years ago and he just kept it garaged and drove it on weekends.
If any zed is modified it's basically not worth anything except to the owner its with. You'd be reselling it at the generic cost of a 30+ yo car, 10 000 max in good condition.
The next best you can do is restore a vehicle with only original parts, but as soon as matching numbers are lost you lose most of your market for resale as far as the classic zed market goes.
As for the rest of the ••••••••• i don't have any comment.
Markets are markets. Some markets like a riced up car which some work has been done for them. But as soon as you've done that you are looking for a single buyer in the midst of a million others. That is, you've got to find the buyer who's looking exactly for that price range with those completed mods. If you've done a mod that he doesn't like then you've cut him out. The most buyers will always be for the cars which are exactly like they rolled out of the show room. Otherwise as soon as you do something even if its just rims, you've already lost a lot of people who don't like what you've done or would have done it different.
Thats just an economic principal.
But there are in some car markets the buyers who do want those things more than others. I'm not an expert in which those are, but it seems skyline drives don't really care about what mods sometimes, just the shopping list (or so it seems).  |
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
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Reg: 12-2006
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it really depends on what the buyer is after... like you said..
i've modified every single car that i have owned.. even my old audi copped aftermarket springs,shocks and swaybars... as well as an exhaust, retune etc...
when buying my z20 for example, there were 2 available for around $5k... a stock 1ggte auto and a modified 1j auto... i saw that the 1j one already had a 1j, suspension, exhaust etc...which just saved me having to do a lot of the work... all it needed was a manual to be driveable..(coz we all know Autos kill car fun)
the stock 1g one had a near perfect body and immaculate interior... but i dont give a toss about that so i went for the other one..
same when buying a 180 for a mate.. found one with coilovers, 2 way, FMIC and bucket seat... which is all stuff he was going to do anyway... just saved time and money buying one with some work already done...
there is a market for modified cars.. sure its not as large as the market for stock cars... but it exists...trust me... i took just over 3 days to sell the 180 when he was done with it.. low, loud, 2 way, cage, rolled guards and fat rims..
and he didnt sell himself short on price either.. you just gotta know where to look... this forum is not one of those places..
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