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Ryan Davis
Tinkerer
NSW
Soarer 2.5L tt
Posts: 6
Reg: 06-2006
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Hey guys been a member 4 a while and never posted anything so here it goes. I am THINKING about selling my wide body jzz30, it’s a snow model with sunroof and traction control. I have also fitted HID's and the last time it was on the dyno she punched out 290hp on 12psi (base tune), also the interior has been re-trimmed along with the parcel shelf, other modifications include
Single turbo conversion T04 .68 rear housing
Hybrid Front mount
Turbosmart Blow of valve
Turbo smart fuel regulator
Turbosmart 38 mm waste gate
Haltech interceptor
Electronic boost control
Hybrid front mount
Konig 18x12 rear
18x 10 front
3 inch exhaust
Stainless steel dump and waste gate pipe
TEIN coil over’s
HKS turbo Timer
I think that’s it??
Other things like water pump and radiator (v8) have been changed recently, the front control arm bushes have been replaced and the starter motor reconditioned. Just want a bit of an idea what would be a reasonable price for it so any help would be great. thanks
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Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
UZZ31
Posts: 2352
Reg: 09-2007
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10-12k? |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer TT
Posts: 4040
Reg: 02-2010
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Its a buyers market at the moment but as Ali said about 10-12K, its obviously had a lot spent on it. |
Nathan Hlad
DieHard
NT
JZZ30 TT
Posts: 770
Reg: 09-2008
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i would say 10k+ probably more if you find the right buyer |
Ryan Davis
Tinkerer
NSW
Soarer 2.5L tt
Posts: 7
Reg: 06-2006
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wow really, thanks for you input guys. might just keep it then |
Will Schultz
TryHard
new south wales
tt
Posts: 222
Reg: 05-2007
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Hey Ryan, long time no see.
You still in Armidale?
Don't sell by the way, she's to nice |
Ryan Davis
Tinkerer
NSW
Soarer 2.5L tt
Posts: 8
Reg: 06-2006
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hey will, how you been. yeah mate still in armidale. only thinking of selling might just keep it and buy something with a 2jz as well  |
David Tra
Goo Roo
qld
AWD
Posts: 1477
Reg: 11-2007
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better off keeping it |
Ian Johnston
Goo Roo
South Australia
UZZ30 GT 4.0, UZZ31, BMW R1150R
Posts: 1247
Reg: 07-2005
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Ryan, just out of interest, what were you hoping to get for it? You must have had a figure in mind?
Unfortunately, these cars are not worth what we think at the moment. Still good cars, just not valuable, unless as stated, you find the right buyer. |
Ryan Davis
Tinkerer
NSW
Soarer 2.5L tt
Posts: 9
Reg: 06-2006
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hi ian, i didn't really have a figure in mind mate and thought i might ask you guys for my own interest, and your also right these cars are unreal and way ahead of there time. i suppose people just don't see that as valuable. |
Sebastian Grant
Goo Roo
nsw
soarer TT
Posts: 1094
Reg: 01-2008
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Where did you get the wide body kit from? |
Costa Tsimiklis
DieHard
Victoria
386.2 rwkw Soon T51R or GT4094 
Posts: 574
Reg: 07-2008
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mmmmm wide body + dish.....
Post up some more pics!**! |
Ryan Davis
Tinkerer
NSW
Soarer 2.5L tt
Posts: 10
Reg: 06-2006
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Sebastian, the car had the kit on it when i purchased it, that the wheels and paint was done i did the rest. i will post up some more pics when i get home tonight |
James Harris
Goo Roo
QLD
GT Starlet
Posts: 3473
Reg: 07-2005
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Ryan Davis wrote on Monday, May 24, 2010 - 10:04 pm:it’s a snow model
what the hell is a snow model ?
i agree with Costa - more pics please. Nice looking car |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
Relaxed
IS300
Posts: 4934
Reg: 07-2005
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I would go lower than the above estimates. Car age dominates after 6-7 years, and "improvements" are worth bugger all, plus you are after a niche market which likes the particular visual effects, possibly including illegal wheels. $6,000-$7,000, perhaps less. |
Mike Bradberry
Goo Roo
Queensland
V8 UnLimited
Posts: 1904
Reg: 07-2005
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Ryan said: i didn't really have a figure in mind.
Well I think you must have. You're into fat chicks.
Who the hell likes wide bodies? |
Dan McColl
Goo Roo
Victoria (The Nazi State)
Active V8 and the Beast.
Posts: 2602
Reg: 07-2005
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Snow pack was an option in japan. Usually included traction control and LSD, and heated seats/mirrors in a limited. |
Nathan Hlad
DieHard
NT
JZZ30 TT
Posts: 783
Reg: 09-2008
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would definately get more than 6k for it dave.
i paid 6k for my soarer 2 years ago 100% stock |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
Relaxed
IS300
Posts: 4935
Reg: 07-2005
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Perhaps so, Nathan, but at least he has some more to consider. Reading estimates only in the $10k-$12k range looked (and looks) optimistic to me, depending very much on finding the perfect buyer. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2492
Reg: 08-2005
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Nathan the important facts are "two years ago" and "stock". I would also guess 7 or 8 grand. Modified cars are harder to sell. Many of those modifications would need engineering in Vic to get a rwc. Without one the value plummets further. |
Nathan Hlad
DieHard
NT
JZZ30 TT
Posts: 785
Reg: 09-2008
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oh ok fair enough miles forgot how strict they are down there |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4054
Reg: 02-2010
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That car would not be for most people and would possibly take a while to sell but to anyone that had considered doing a widebody kit with a few engine mods it would be worth every bit of $12000. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2493
Reg: 08-2005
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It would Rob. But finding that person and getting them to pay what it would be worth to them would both be tough tasks. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4060
Reg: 02-2010
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I don't agree, I think a buyer would be pretty easy to find.
Look at the AC bodykit group buy, 20 or so people prepared to spend around $4000 when you add up the kit, fitting, painting, lights, door moulds, grille etc on just a body kit.
The average Soarer would be worth around $5K these days, so when you add the kit your looking at an outlay of $9000. Then obviously majority will be fitting wheels to suit the new kit say $1500 at least for a reasonable set and it wouldn't stay at standard height as it would look strange so there's another $400 minimum to lower it then you still have a stock Soarer with a kit, old paint job with wheels and lowered.
All that for $10900.
Makes this one at $12000 look like a bargain to me with all the good quality parts on it, I certainly know which I would choose. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2494
Reg: 08-2005
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Hypotheticals are one thing. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4063
Reg: 02-2010
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This looks like a good car and I doubt there would have been any change from $20K spent on the it, to say that it would sell for $7000-$8000 is nothing more than an insult.
You would be hard pressed finding a NA Supra or a Decent R33 skyline for that price, •••• people still pay more for 96 corollas.
Doesn't make a lot of sense.
Looking at your list of cars, what would you get for $7000-$8000 from that list? Not a whole lot I would imagine.
Anyway this is a bit of a pointless argument as it doesn't look like its going up for sale now. |
Matt Sartori
DieHard
Western Australia
Rx7
Posts: 645
Reg: 08-2008
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Rob Rojo wrote on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 11:20 pm:Doesn't make a lot of sense.
It makes perfect sense, Supply and demand.
Soarer's just aren't a saught after car. If more were manual you can bet they'd be just as much as most R33's. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2496
Reg: 08-2005
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We're not talking about a car from my list Rob. Why are people so obsessed with asking me questions like that.
No insult is meant. The OP asked for a number. I gave him my honest opinion. And I have bought a lot of cars over the years. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4064
Reg: 02-2010
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If you don't want comments made about your cars in the list just don't put them in the list, I was using that to demonstrate my point that people are not scared to spend money on Cars.
I have been valuing cars for over the past 10 years as a part of my job so I feel my estimate would be pretty accurate. |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
Relaxed
IS300
Posts: 4936
Reg: 07-2005
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Really, Rob? In your earlier post you listed NEW prices for a set of add-ons to the car, brought the seller cost up to $10,900 then said it should get $12K for its extra quality.
A seller fully recovering every cent of his cost of upgrade? You know damn well that is ridiculous.
I did not insult Ryan or his car. I gave him some other points about which to think. I am not a buyer for his car and we are not here to blow up his arse. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4065
Reg: 02-2010
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You obviously didn't read my post very clearly.
I never said this one had $12000, it's obviously had a lot more than that spent on it.
Anyone looking at spending $4000 on the AC kit would be better off spending a bit extra on this a getting a lot more for the money.
What is about Soarer owners and the trend to constantly devalue their own cars by saying how little they are all worth and yet there are so many prepared to spend thousand more on mods? |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
Relaxed
IS300
Posts: 4937
Reg: 07-2005
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We don't devalue the cars. The market values them while we go through bouts of optimism or pessimism to little effect. This has nothing at all to do with spending thousands on modifications. Few people spend thousands on modifications to new or expensive cars. They do it to old cheap ones, e.g. Soarers. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4067
Reg: 02-2010
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If you had your house for sale you wouldn't walk a prospective buyer through it saying •••• its getting old and it not worth as much as it was a couple of years ago. (And yes I know property values are a different game to cars but I am just using that as an example.)
And since when did Soarers become Cheap cars?
They were more expensive new than the Supras and it seams these days its cheaper to buy a Soarer than a 95 Corolla. |
Sebastian Grant
Goo Roo
nsw
soarer TT
Posts: 1102
Reg: 01-2008
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Off topic a little but what would you value Vinh's or Aaron's car at? Probably a good way to gauge what our cars are worth is by starting at the top and working our way down. |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
Relaxed
IS300
Posts: 4939
Reg: 07-2005
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As a matter of fact, we have just sold our house and are buying another. 
We sought a realistic appraisal, compared with other places around, consulted available agents and determined on a price higher than their expectation to allow some negotiating room. All standard stuff. Then, we sold if for more than we asked because the right buyer came along.
Did we show off the house to best effect and not pan it to anyone? Of course. Did we seek multiple valuations, comparisons and opinions to get a reasonable measure? Obviously.
Isn't this what Ryan has just done? Sensible man.
I happen to be at the lower end of the range of estimates and my principal reason for being there is that I devalue "improvements" in cars very heavily. People also avoid over-capitalising a house in a given location, by-the-by.
I do not see how you can reasonably accuse me of bagging the cars. I never said they were crap nor inexpensive when new but any car currently selling in the range of $6k-$12k is IMHO cheap. In that price range, Soarers as a class are great value! |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4068
Reg: 02-2010
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I am quite sure that if you happened to own a nice 5 bedroom two story place with all the mod cons you wouldn't it if the valuation was based of recent sale prices of red brick 3 bedroom houses even though they are in the same street.
But you have clarified your estimate when saying that you devalue as you say "improvements" on cars heavily.
It's like selling a house with a pool, to some its worth nothing but others its worth paying a premium for it. |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
Relaxed
IS300
Posts: 4940
Reg: 07-2005
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Rob Rojo wrote on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 05:42 pm:I am quite sure that if you happened to own a nice 5 bedroom two story place with all the mod cons you wouldn't it if the valuation was based of recent sale prices of red brick 3 bedroom houses even though they are in the same street.
Your sentence needs reconstruction for meaning before I can respond.
quote:But you have clarified your estimate when saying that you devalue as you say "improvements" on cars heavily.
I thought it widely known I advise people to count upgrades at near enough to nil value when considering resale.About 10-20% would be reasonable. I believe the facts of sales have for the most part borne me out in that.
quote:It's like selling a house with a pool, to some its worth nothing but others its worth paying a premium for it.
No, don't bother pursuing the analogy because it does not work, either in your example or in general. I raised it only because of the coincidence and we should drop it quickly. Land appreciates while cars and houses depreciate, cars very rapidly. |
David Grab
Goo Roo
SA
T78
Posts: 2309
Reg: 01-2008
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Id say around 12K max. The problem is once you start doing crazy ass stand out mods your in trouble. Massive dished rims and widebody is the worst asthetical offenders. With a car like this your limited to the state its regoed in for a buyer, then in that state you have to find someone willing to pay coin but also run the risk of getting dSoarer for cheap as chips, why because it cant fidn a buyer who is going to go through the risk of owning such a car that sticks out and is obviously highly defectable. Nice exhausts that are too loud, subtle bodykits, rims that dont stick out heaps, lowered within reason, basic mods, these are the cars that hold their value better as modified cars.
Lastly with Soarers the only things that a worth decent money are black late models, low km manuals, subtle modified late models, UZZ32's (the later the better) and a late model UZZ31. Thats about it, modfied Soarers have to be tasteful and not over the top to have any chance of recouping some of that money outlayed on mods. |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 4702
Reg: 09-2005
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Evaluating a car's worth for sale will yield a completely different figure when estimating what it is worth.
Rob, consider that the people spending $$$thousands to mod their cars as opposed to getting a better "deal" by purchasing one that is already modded would prefer to go through the process themselves and are happy to pay for new parts as opposed to relying on established bits that are already on the car.
I bought my car with many mods already applied and i paid well beyond what i originally budgeted for. I recognised the cost saving in getting something that was already more "fun" than a stock car as i wasnt all that interested in going through the process of getting the work done myself.
Not everyone is the same in what they want out of their car.
Dont underestimate how much of a good deal you can make for yourself as a result of the cheap market though. Good condition cars can easily be found for $6k. Add $15k or so in repairs and rework (paint, new interior etc) and you can end up with an extremely nice high quality luxury car for under $25k. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4076
Reg: 02-2010
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This seams to be going around in circles we all have our own views etc and I have bought and sold plenty of Soarers in the past and have been valuing cars for over 10 years and my views are not about to change.
If you can justify buying a car for $6000 then spending 15K on modifying the car as a good idea than that's up to you, to me it would make more sense paying $10-$12K and making smaller mods to suit yourself. That is of course if you like the style which not everyone will but I don't think it would take too long to sell at that figure and may even suit a Supra buyer better than a typical soarer buyer that like the standard styling. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2497
Reg: 08-2005
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Rob if you are a professional car appraiser then comments trying to draw a parallel between the value of a Soarer and the value of a collectable classic cause me to greatly question your skill in your profession. Trying to draw any parallel between prices of two different models, let alone sectors of the market, is completely worthless. I welcome people commenting on my cars but their comments need to make some sense.
I have plenty of cash on modifying my 55 and I'm nowhere near done yet. I'm already well past 35 grand in modifications and probably have at least 20 more to go. Hell I even turned it from a 4 door into a 2 door at greater expense than just selling it and buying a 2 door. I do it with full knowledge that if I were to sell it I would never likely see one penny of that money back, and furthermore they may make my car harder to sell. Such is the world of modifying cars. Any professional appraiser should know that. Modifications do not return. People who aren't into modifying cars will not pay for a modified car. People who are into modified cars mostly want to do it themselves because it's a hobby. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4079
Reg: 02-2010
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Miles,
There are many different ways of appraising any asset.
1. Replacement Value
2. Market value
3. Auction Value
All these values vary substantially and I would say your estimate would be around Auction Value.
Anyway we are obviously on a different page and your taking things that I have said out of context.
I think we should leave it where it is before it gets ugly. |
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20
Posts: 190
Reg: 12-2006
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i love topics like this... it really comes down to the individual..
problem with asking on a forum like this is you do get a lot of people who cant see past their own point of view..
things like- the wheels are too wide and its illegal, etc... yes, this will deter a lot of people, but not the right buyer.. this doesnt mean you have to drop the price, it means you wait a little longer..(if you were actually selling)
it looks like a nice car, nice fat wheels, nice looking kit, plenty of dish, coilovers, electronic support for mods etc...
to be honest, there are plenty of people out there who give no fark about whether the mods are legal or if the car will be a cop magnet.. me being one of them.. basically all my mates dont care about legality of mods.. its just something you live with, if you get pulled over, you may have to go to the pits...
yes it true that many people would like to build a car them selves but many dont have the skill and many dont have the time... eg.. i used to do all my own work, engine conversions, piping, manual conversions, head rebuilds etc... when i was at uni, now i dont have the time and its easier to pay someone... otherwise my car will sit unfinished for ages...
fek, i almost bought a fully built s15 drift car from Japan not long ago coz it was awesome value for the mods it had...
my point is, people will pay the money if the car is worth it.. regardless of modified or not.. hell if someone is willing to pay 20k for a slow v8 land barge just because it has airbag suspension and black leather, im sure someone will pay $12k for this.. if not more..
as for recouping cost of mods.. it doesnt always have to work out that you lose money..
i bought a z10 soare a few years back.. costs:
car: $1k
1ggte: $400
highflowed ct26 $500
clutch: $200
suspension: $600
various other crap: $500
so a total cost of: lets say $4k coz im sure i forgot some things..
the car made 276rwhp and slid beautifully..when it came time to sell i figured i would sell for what i thought the car was worth... ended up selling it for $6k...
which goes to show.. its worth what someone will pay for it.. and in that case of that car.. the mods increased value not vice versa..
it also say 3cm from the ground, had a screamer pipe and straight thru 3" pipes.. so massively illegal..
Stomps |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone, 65 Mustang Fastback, 67 Mustang Convertible, 67 Camaro RS/SS
Posts: 2512
Reg: 08-2005
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Most people do care about legality of mods when they are buying a car and have to get a roadworthy so they can get it registered.
Jerzy Stopczynski wrote on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 12:09 pm:fek, i almost bought a fully built s15 drift car from Japan not long ago coz it was awesome value for the mods it had...
my point is, people will pay the money if the car is worth it.. regardless of modified or not.
I think the point of that little story is that someone in Japan paid a buttload to modify a car and then you were going to get it for a lot less than the modifications cost. And he still didn't even get the sale. Your story actually supports my point of view perfectly. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer Single Turbo Manual
Posts: 4109
Reg: 02-2010
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Miles,
As I have been saying from the start, it's not for everybody but there are people out there that can still see the value in a car with all the hard work already done.
A good example is a show called wrecks to riches which deals with classic and muscle cars where they are modified extensively and reach a premium price sometimes twice that of what a vehicle restored to original condition reaches.
Why?
Because the buyers have plenty of money and no time and often don't have the know how. |
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