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Guy Moore
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Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 01:30 pm, by: Guy Moore (Thesoarerguy)

I hate driving auto's too much holding the brake too slow down I prefer the manual a lot more control over the engine revving and you can't bet the all mighty clutch kick to get the revs up and send her sideways. Auto only good for straight line and that's no fun for me.

My skyline is auto its poo that's why I'm converting it manual asap

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Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 03:43 pm, by: Sebastian Grant (Saabg)

Just manualise your auto. I to contemplated going manual but I don't want to spend $2500 plus to make my car slower.

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Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 03:48 pm, by: Jerzy Stopczynski (Stomps)

Sebastian Grant wrote on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 03:43 pm:
Just manualise your auto. I to contemplated going manual but I don't want to spend $2500 plus to make my car slower.

only slower in a straight line.. around a circuit and on the streets (not that we drive fast on the streets) is a completely different story..

Jeff Bedsor wrote on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 01:01 pm:
And the instant neck snapping gear changes and continuos power through the gears. if you want a quick car down the strip, leave the manuals at home.

yeah, you are 100% right about that.. its amazing what (all other mods remain the same) the difference is..

but i have no interest what so ever in straight line.. for the streets/circuit.. manual is the way to go..

Stomps

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Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 05:19 pm, by: Sebastian Grant (Saabg)

Jerzy Stopczynski wrote on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 03:48 pm:
only slower in a straight line.. around a circuit and on the streets

I've never understood that comment that many people make. 99% of all street races (from what I hear) are in a straight line. Only in the movies do people treat the streets like their own personal race track. I do agree though that driving a manual well is so much more rewarding than an auto.

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Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 05:41 pm, by: Matt Sartori (Klutch)

Sebastian Grant wrote on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 05:19 pm:
99% of all street races (from what I hear) are in a straight line. Only in the movies do people treat the streets like their own personal race track.

Hills / Twistys?

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Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 05:51 pm, by: Sebastian Grant (Saabg)

Not saying your wrong matt but do you really know many people who RACE through the hills? We're not in japan.

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Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 06:16 pm, by: Matt Sartori (Klutch)

I don't mean full on race, but its not uncommon to see 2-3 cars pelting it through the hills together, which is by your definition, using the road as a race track.

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Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 06:40 pm, by: Dan McColl (Hoon)

Sebastian Grant wrote on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 05:19 pm:
Only in the movies do people treat the streets like their own personal race track.

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Friday, June 25, 2010 - 06:17 am, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

Sebastian Grant wrote on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 05:19 pm:
Only in the movies do people treat the streets like their own personal race track

And people on Youtube.

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Friday, June 25, 2010 - 10:40 am, by: Jerzy Stopczynski (Stomps)

Matt Sartori wrote on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 06:16 pm:
I don't mean full on race, but its not uncommon to see 2-3 cars pelting it through the hills together, which is by your definition, using the road as a race track.

exactly what i was getting at... not even fully pushing it...still soooo much better in a manual.. on a cruise a few years back we went for a good hills run, 3 or 4 a70's... was fantastic..

Sebastian- i should have broken my statement into 2 parts.. i meant for racing on a circuit.... and DRIVING on the street.. not racing..

to me, being behind an automatic is not driving.. just getting from one place to another..

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Friday, June 25, 2010 - 11:42 am, by: David Tra (Bookie)

Bobby Green wrote on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 11:01 pm:
This Friday 10 PM Natural Bridge run with EVO, Supras, other misc cars and myself in a soarer. Meeting in Nerang if anyone is interested in attending PM me.

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Saturday, June 26, 2010 - 09:51 am, by: Bobby Green (Nash)

Thanks for the cross post Dave, a fun time was had by all who attended.

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Monday, June 28, 2010 - 12:23 pm, by: Jerzy Stopczynski (Stomps)

just thought i would post this in this topic.. despite it technically not being a skyline..

i got killed driving my mates modded xr6 turbo on friday night... by a GTR...

was funny as, we had 4 people in the falcoon driving to dinner when a red 35GTR drove past us.. i belted it to get behind him at the lights...

was funny... it lurched forward about 2m, then a puff of smoke from the exhausts.. little spin of the wheels and BAM... the GTR was gone... the falcon we were in puts out just under 400rwhp.. but •••• me, that GTR pulled away so fast.. then took the ramp onto the Hwy at over 100.... gripped like a mofo.. such an amazing car..

Stomps

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Monday, June 28, 2010 - 04:04 pm, by: Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt)

Who knows, in 20 years time we soon might be all driving R35 GTR's.

It's like The The R33 is the new VL in terms of your common car with potential, then the XR6 Turbo is the new VL. Give 15-20 Years time, and the R35 will be the new VL.

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Monday, June 28, 2010 - 04:27 pm, by: Sebastian Grant (Saabg)

I would hate to see what kind of problems the r35 will have in 20 years. At least the VL and r33 are relatively simple cars and easy to fix. Imagine having to rebuild the gearbox in the r35, it would cost a fortune.

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Monday, June 28, 2010 - 06:28 pm, by: James Buchan (Jrbuch)

Jerzy Stopczynski wrote on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 12:23 pm:

Totally different league! Incredible stuff! Not as is 400rwhp is not much these days either..

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 12:24 pm, by: Jerzy Stopczynski (Stomps)

yeah.. exactly...

i knew i was going to get caned.. but just wanted the GTR to go and give it some ••••••

Stomps

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 03:33 pm, by: Andrew Duaso (Andrewd)

Your mates xrt must be gay, I took on a supercharged ve gts and all he saw was my rear door handles, and that's when my car was stock, now he'd probably beat me cos the few rwkw gain combined with the massive torque increase results in heaps of wheelspin when tyres aren't warmed up or road is cold etc... But I got 285's going on tomorrow so that should help a little until it gets more boooooost

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 04:06 pm, by: Mike Beck (Gold_40gt)

James Buchan wrote on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 06:28 pm:
Not as is 400rwhp is not much these days either..

It is when you have ~140rwhp heh

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 04:11 pm, by: James Buchan (Jrbuch)

Haha, true! Hate to think how much work would be needed to get my car going that quickly...

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 05:38 pm, by: Mike Beck (Gold_40gt)

Well its only 300rwkw.

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 05:57 pm, by: Jerzy Stopczynski (Stomps)

Andrew Duaso wrote on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 03:33 pm:
Your mates xrt must be gay, I took on a supercharged ve gts and all he saw was my rear door handles, and that's when my car was stock, now he'd probably beat me cos the few rwkw gain combined with the massive torque increase results in heaps of wheelspin when tyres aren't warmed up or road is cold etc... But I got 285's going on tomorrow so that should help a little until it gets more boooooost

race a GTR... then come back and tell me how you went..

i backed off at just over 120 coz there is no point going further than that on the streets..

my mates xr6t aint designed for straight line either... 18kg springs at the back, 22kg springs at the front.. VERY heavy duty sway bars.. etc.. it only makes around 395rwhp...so just a tad under 300rwkw... but has mucho suspension development..

so compared to the GTR we were:
1. down on power
2. down on grip
3. up on weight
4. down on engineering quality..

the outcome wasnt exactly in question..

Stomps

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 06:37 pm, by: Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt)

Sometimes it's hard to compare cars based on rwhp vs rwhp. The GT-R probably has better power delivery and better launching capabilities than the Ford Falcon, not to mention the car that Jerzy was in had 4 in it people of unknown weight.

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 08:55 pm, by: Mark Pattel (Mark1414)

R35 GTR's are awesome but I doubt they would become the new VL or R33. Hate to think how many things could go wrong on that thing in 15years time, it would be like a ticking time bomb.

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 09:15 pm, by: Matt Sartori (Klutch)

Mark Pattel wrote on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 08:55 pm:
R35 GTR's are awesome but I doubt they would become the new VL or R33. Hate to think how many things could go wrong on that thing in 15years time, it would be like a ticking time bomb.

No different than any other expensive border-line supercar i suppose.

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 09:45 pm, by: Joel King (Twinturbos_rock_my_chasis)

Andrew Duaso wrote on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 03:33 pm:
Your mates xrt must be gay, I took on a supercharged ve gts and all he saw was my rear door handles, and that's when my car was stock, now he'd probably beat me cos the few rwkw gain combined with the massive torque increase results in heaps of wheelspin when tyres aren't warmed up or road is cold etc... But I got 285's going on tomorrow so that should help a little until it gets more boooooost

A stock G6E turbo beating a supercharged VE GTS?

Stock G6E turbo:
Power: 270kw
torque: 533 NM @ 4750rpm

Stock Ve GTS:
Power: 325kW at 6000 revs
Torque: 550Nm at 4600 revs

That's without a supercharger.

Not having a dig but just not very believable unless it was either a race where the other guy wasn't racing or the other driver cant drive....

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 10:07 pm, by: Mark Pattel (Mark1414)

Matt Sartori wrote on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 09:15 pm:
No different than any other expensive border-line supercar i suppose.

The difference is these are mass produced and half the price now, what will they be worth in 15years time? Nothing. Making them affordable for the majority of people.

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Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 12:50 am, by: Christian Somerville (Csomers)

Joel +1 and I just generally dislike fords.

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Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 04:54 pm, by: Andrew Duaso (Andrewd)

tell me then if my car is only 270 kw

why it makes 244rwkw 100% stock on a conservative dyno?

then factor in the 533nm 90% of that from 1250rpm then the 10% factory overboost bringing that up to 580nm from 2000rpm the superior ZF auto and the fact that these so called FG XR6's and G6E's have been doing 12.8's 100% stock on the 1/4 mile and theres your answer... the near on 600nm from almost idle and zero turbo lag combined with the 6spd auto shoots these things off down low like you wouldnt believe, i have run a ton of VE's on the street and it pulls hard on them.. get one on the dyno to look at the power torque curve, they are nothing like a BA/BF a 330rwkw BA has less power and torque down low than what i have..

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Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 06:36 pm, by: Matt Sartori (Klutch)

Andrew Duaso wrote on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 04:54 pm:
why it makes 244rwkw 100% stock on a conservative dyno?

Because dyno's are a tuning tool not an accurate measure of power.

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Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 07:24 pm, by: Andrew Duaso (Andrewd)

Immediately after a ba xr8 with exhaust and intake made 180rwkw. They make more than 270kw that ford claim ( the fg turbos)

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Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 07:29 pm, by: Matt Sartori (Klutch)

/facepalm

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Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 08:27 pm, by: Joel King (Twinturbos_rock_my_chasis)

Andrew Duaso wrote on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 04:54 pm:
tell me then if my car is only 270 kw

why it makes 244rwkw 100% stock on a conservative dyno?

then factor in the 533nm 90% of that from 1250rpm then the 10% factory overboost bringing that up to 580nm from 2000rpm the superior ZF auto and the fact that these so called FG XR6's and G6E's have been doing 12.8's 100% stock on the 1/4 mile and theres your answer... the near on 600nm from almost idle and zero turbo lag combined with the 6spd auto shoots these things off down low like you wouldnt believe, i have run a ton of VE's on the street and it pulls hard on them.. get one on the dyno to look at the power torque curve, they are nothing like a BA/BF a 330rwkw BA has less power and torque down low than what i have..

http://www.redbook.com.au/new-cars/details.aspx?__D=g6e&__Ntt=g6e&__Qpb=true&__Dx=mode%20matchany&R= 550373&__Ns=p_Make_String|0||p_ClassificationType_String|0||p_Family_String|0||p_Year_String|1||p_SequenceNum_Int32|0&SearchA ction=N&__N=2994%202951%204294961316&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&seot=1&__Ntk=CarAll&silo=1301&Cr=2 &__Nne=15&trecs=3&__sid=1298F9E4987B

Redbook figures.... I'm sure they are wrong and a dyno is right:

Power 270kW @ 5250rpm
Torque 533Nm @ 2000-4750rpm

You got what many people call a "Happy" dyno.

Your exact statement was:

Andrew Duaso wrote on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 03:33 pm:
Your mates xrt must be gay, I took on a supercharged ve gts and all he saw was my rear door handles, and that's when my car was stock,

I simply stated that its not really believable when stock cars are compared the HSV is faster, then throw in a supercharger and the margin between the supercharged VE GTS and a STOCK G6E increases.

Until you race a SUPERCHARGED VE GTS down the strip your statement has no credibility. "Street racing" proves nothing, I raced a Ferrari in my soarer, I over took it and was like five car lengths in front, wasn't my awesome driving skills it was the fact that the Ferrari wasn't racing!

Simple: Slips or it didn't happen :-)