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Christian Somerville
DieHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 LTD

Posts: 912
Reg: 03-2009

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Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 10:24 am, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys, I am still having steering problems.

Symptoms include:
- Over bumps back end feels like it's veering to the left (stepping out)
- Steering pulls when going over slight bumps, pot holes, small ridges (pulls usually to the left)

I have replaced:

-Front LCA Bushes
-Front Steering Rack Bushes (3 weeks ago)
-Wheel alignment (2 weeks ago)
-New tyres

Any body know what is going on here!
My mechanic said everything looks fine when he replaced the steering rack retainer bushes.

Getting annoying!

Thanks guys.
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 11:55 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Check the rear wheel toe in bolts.
Christian Somerville
DieHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 LTD

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Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 04:10 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheers! will do
James Buchan
DieHard
Vic
V8

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Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 07:05 pm, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hope you find out what's causing you so much frustration mate!
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 06:25 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you shocks OK? Could be as simple as a failed shock - of course I know nothing about airbags so it might not be applicable to you, but I've had similar simptoms with a failed rear shock.
Christian Somerville
DieHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 LTD

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Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 04:39 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think they are ok, they are still factory in the rear, hmm, hopefully not, but the front seems to pull too and the fronts are perfectly fine.
Evan Kaio
DieHard
Beautiful sunny good @ rugby 'Canes' country
'91 UZZ31. 92 TT

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Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 05:30 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Check the left rear air strut. The air bag may be ok but the dampening could be buggered.
Check for oil leakage.
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 06:17 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd have thought after 18 years there is no way the dampening could be working properly? I mean a good quality KYB or Koni standard shock wouldn't last anywhere near that long. Are the airbag shocks really so good that they could last 18 years?
Tom Richards
TryHard
nsw
V8

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Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 09:16 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

evan above is on the money. I had the same problem, skipping out on any corner that had any bumps.

LHS rear shockie was stuffed. airbag was ok. on removal, the shockie moved up/down with no resistance at all
Christian Somerville
DieHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 LTD

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Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 11:08 am, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So basically I need a shock test done at a suspension specialist?

They definitely aren't leaking fluid, so the dampening is just stuffed?

Are these similar to put in as the front or more complicated?
Tom Richards
TryHard
nsw
V8

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Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 11:47 am, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

to replace rear airbags, 30 mins a side.

real easy.
James Buchan
DieHard
Vic
V8

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Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 09:49 pm, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Coilover time! Haha

I know you'll stick with the bags for now! They're not that bad in truth
Christian Somerville
DieHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 LTD

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Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 10:29 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah James,
all in all I'd have coil-overs, cusco sway bars, all nolethane bushes, but in Adelaide, you pretty much can't have an engine in you car it is that bad,
So my dilemma is, my car sits pretty low with the height controller and when on a smooth road rides comfortably and when I want to go through the hills, stiffening the bags up gets me by, but major issue is that if I get pulled over I can pump them up, where as with coil-overs I am dead with cops, but, I'd love them for cornering :-(
James Buchan
DieHard
Vic
V8

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Friday, September 10, 2010 - 08:04 am, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haha I'd do one thing differently and get all branz bushes rather than nolathane ones. My reasoning is that there is no give in the suspension. I've got nolathane bushes up the front of my car and I dislike how firm it is, bur that's partly my fault for sticking bilstein coilovers on it.
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Friday, September 10, 2010 - 05:12 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Christian, go to Pedders at Richmond and get their cheap safety test done.
Michael James
TryHard
Queensland
V8 UZZ31 Limited

Posts: 247
Reg: 07-2005

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Friday, September 10, 2010 - 06:57 pm, by:  Michael James (Wildwizard) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If your profile pic is current then you have some problems.

1. Wrong ride height
2. Wrong wheel offset

All of your problems can be caused by incorrect suspension geometry, even the rear end stepping out is a known issue with IRS equipped cars.

Replacing bushes only means you can set the alignment to a specified value, it doesn't mean you wont have problems if you deviate from OEM specifications.

If you want to keep the nice wheels and lowered look you need to find someone that can take the OEM alignment values and modify them to best match the changes to the car.
Christian Somerville
DieHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 LTD

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Saturday, September 11, 2010 - 03:10 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael,
I put that theory to the test when I had my previous wheels, drove around at a normal height and still had the same problems, the bigger wheels actually feel better amazingly.

I am going to see my mechanic and see if anything other than the struts are stuffed and then I am going to replace the rears,

cheers guys!
Christian Somerville
DieHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 LTD

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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 11:29 am, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Got my car booked in on Monday for a 28-point sus check,
I think it is the rear struts, on norm they are soo bad, but on sport the car handles 10 times better and the stepping out is reduced substantially, any ideas?
Daniel Arndt
TryHard
Vic
UZZ31 LTD

Posts: 112
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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 01:05 pm, by:  Daniel Arndt (Darndt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cant offer much help Christian, mine has coils on it now so never had any experience with the airbags.
One thing I can offer is make sure the mechanic doing this 28 point check knows our Soarers.
I believe your average suspension dealer would have limited or no experience with the airbag set up on the 31's. And I doubt they would know what to check.

By the sounds of your last thread, handling better on sport mode, sounds definitely like your struts. Time for coils?
Christian Somerville
DieHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 LTD

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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 01:46 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheers Dan! Like your car, also noticed your an engineer? mechanical or civil? I am studying currently,
Yeah I wanted coils but I'm scared of getting defected in Adelaide! because of ride height, plus wouldn't be able to get into my drive!

Yeah agreed about the mechanics, cheers mate.
Daniel Arndt
TryHard
Vic
UZZ31 LTD

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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 01:58 pm, by:  Daniel Arndt (Darndt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think our Soarers, especially the v8s with all the gizmo's appeal to us Engineers. I just sold my old wheels to Oleg, meet him at Monash Uni on Monday, hes doing a double degree eng/science.

I finished mine 7 years ago. Mechatronics.

If you can, keep the bags.
I'd love to have them currently. after all our V8s are cruisers, not drift cars. So yeah I'd love to go back to bags. but cant justify the cost.
Keep us posted with your outcome.

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