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Narvey Vilaythong
TryHard
SA
soarer tt and 3T-GTE corona liftback

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 08:04 pm, by:  Narvey Vilaythong (El_pablo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.canibeat.com/2010/09/form-function/#more-16756
Joshua Baldwin
DieHard
victoria
ucf-11 1uz-fe v8

Posts: 524
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Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 09:23 pm, by:  Joshua Baldwin (Celsior101) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ummmmm wow
Warren Moore
DieHard
Victoria
JZZ31 N/A

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 09:50 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

its an auto lol

will look somewhat similar to mine when its done although I will have the vertex ridge widebody, matte black te37's and matte black paintjob
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
E36 Coupe

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 - 09:59 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What are we looking at here?
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
UZZ31

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Friday, October 01, 2010 - 12:13 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

its a sc400. lots a money spent on suspension and exterior. i wouldnt really want to drift it with a genuine vertex kit :s
Matt Sartori
DieHard
Western Australia
Rx7

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Friday, October 01, 2010 - 01:58 am, by:  Matt Sartori (Klutch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

all that suspension upgrades are wasted considering its auto..
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

Posts: 5906
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Friday, October 01, 2010 - 06:14 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Links not working?
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
UZZ31

Posts: 2873
Reg: 09-2007

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Friday, October 01, 2010 - 08:09 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matt Sartori wrote on Friday, October 01, 2010 - 01:58 am:

all that suspension upgrades are wasted considering its auto..




its pretty weird isnt it :s
Warren Moore
DieHard
Victoria
JZZ31 N/A

Posts: 650
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Friday, October 01, 2010 - 08:16 am, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

doubt its ever gone sideways before, i assume its all for looks
James Cahir
TryHard
ACT
Soarer TT

Posts: 437
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Friday, October 01, 2010 - 11:04 am, by:  James Cahir (James987) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks great, but all that money spent on suspension/brake upgrades and the owner skimps by fitting cheap tyres - fail.
Phil Gibson
Goo Roo
WA
'91 UZZ30, '91 manual UZZ31 track bunky, '94 blk/blk UZZ31

Posts: 1716
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Friday, October 01, 2010 - 02:13 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"this car will get a complete C6 Z06 powertrain"

why??
Tim Ross
Goo Roo
Qld
1J + GT35-82R

Posts: 2126
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Friday, October 01, 2010 - 02:41 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

because the corvette powertrain craps all over the 20yo lexus one.

Plain and simple
Phil Gibson
Goo Roo
WA
'91 UZZ30, '91 manual UZZ31 track bunky, '94 blk/blk UZZ31

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Friday, October 01, 2010 - 03:55 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My understanding of "powertrain" is engine, gearbox, tailshaft, diff

With the massive time and expense required to do that you would be better off sticking with the standard (or TT Supra if you must) transmission and putting a 2JZ/FI UZ in there
Aaron Casey
Goo Roo
nsw
'94 jzz30 gttl, 2 mini's one supercharged :-)

Posts: 2418
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Friday, October 01, 2010 - 05:25 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nice but yeah. he has done it up jdm then is going to put a v8 in it. he should twin turbo the 1uz.
Tim Ross
Goo Roo
Qld
1J + GT35-82R

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Friday, October 01, 2010 - 05:38 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Actually, you're spot on.

Vette engine and gearbox I would agree with.

Diff and axles... hmm... that would be a lot of cocking around
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
UZZ31

Posts: 2875
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Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 04:15 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if you are going to spend that amount of money on the looks and suspension, might as well just turbo the 1uz. what a waste to pull it out
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 07:33 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Surly there are much better options than a primitive inefficient American V8. Honestly the LS3 produces less power per litre than the vvti 1uz-fe. Its not a modern engine.
Tim Ross
Goo Roo
Qld
1J + GT35-82R

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Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 08:43 am, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LS7 is a better motor than the 1UZ end of story.

The LS3 is used in the base model Vette, not the Z06.

The LS7 is alloy block, same as 1UZ, so its just as light, and each one is hand built. So its 'primitive' just because it has pushrods? Big deal... It's putting out the kind of power you need to supercharge a 1uz to make... and thats standard without any further tuning. If you want to go nuts, go the LS9.

As for this power per litre argument, again... its a retarded argument... power per litre is irrelevant, an S2000 motor pulls more power per litre than a 1UZ... yet put one of those in a Soarer and tell me how it goes?

Correcting my comment above about powertrain, I just remembered the latest vettes run a transaxle setup, so it makes sense to upgrade the whole drivetrain if you want to go down that path... but as to why you'd bother wasting all that time, effort, and money on a Soarer is absolutely beyond me (yes, shock horror - these vehicles are not as good as some of you may let yourselves believe, resale figures and demand for them on the market confirm this ugly truth)
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
UZZ31

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Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 08:56 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

its not like you will get much of your money back doing all that to most cars Tim, so WHY NOT a soarer?
Spencer Cameron
TryHard
NSW
JZZ30 (converted Manual)

Posts: 194
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Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 09:47 pm, by:  Spencer Cameron (Switchio) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He's spent ALOT of money on suspension gear for a "daily driver". If your that loaded, wtf not just have 2 cars. Or better yet, a different car for each day of the freakin week.

I mean, the guys got every part Ikeya makes for that car and hes running less camber than I do.. why even bother?
Tim Ross
Goo Roo
Qld
1J + GT35-82R

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Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 10:31 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Because if he is doing it for performance Ali, he's be far better off choosing something less... overweight
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
UZZ31

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Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 12:19 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

maybe because he wants to be different :s
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 07:41 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 07:33 am:

As for this power per litre argument, again... its a retarded argument... power per litre is irrelevant, an S2000 motor pulls more power per litre than a 1UZ... yet put one of those in a Soarer and tell me how it goes?




No, its not a retarded argument - bigger engines use more fuel regardless of how much power they put out. If you can get more power out of a smaller engine, it will be more efficient from a fuel and emissions point of view. Sure its power curve will be different, and yes, you have to match the displacement, power delivery etc to the vehicle you are trying to drive, but the true definition of moronic is dropping a 6 litre engine into a fibreglass body to make it go fast when you could have achieved the same results with say, 4.5 litres and a decent cylinder head and inlet design. The Japanese understand this, the Europeans understand this - the Americans cling to their huge displacement gas guzzling V8's while the rest of the world hurtles towards peak oil, trying to make what is left go further and still have a bit of fun at the same time.
Peter Burrett
DieHard
ACT
'97 2.5 VVTi ST, '04 IS200, '94 3 ltr Soarer

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Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 02:11 pm, by:  Peter Burrett (Burrett) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK, Matthew, I just went out to the garage and shot my Cobra......
Kadir Hussein
TryHard
Victoria/Western Australia
'97 SC400 Limited

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Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 03:16 pm, by:  Kadir Hussein (Khuss888) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol @ Peter....

The Cobra is exempt considering it was made in an era when sophisticated engine technology wasn't readily available..
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 09:16 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I love classic muscle cars from the 50's/60's/70's - I just don't get why the US automotive industry stick with "proven" technology 30 years after "new" technology like OHC etc have become proven reliable, cheap to manufacture,and more efficient.
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
UZZ31

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 01:53 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cause its easier to just revise a proven technology than spend millions on development of new technology :-)
Rowan McMahon
TryHard
WA
GTT-L

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 03:03 pm, by:  Rowan McMahon (Mr_eps) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sup mother effs.

you COULD keep talking about this tasteless budget blowing POS with a$$-looking headlights.. OR.. you could check out T-Lex's 6speed 2JZ single polished massive turbo.

it only makes a casual 1000HP-atw..

and yes that IS a gtr in his garage. he's kept his lexus from early adulthood and worked on it the whole time..

looks as good as it goes :-) - i love the brakes too

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/sc-400-300/527161-teelexs-red-devil-build.html
Matt Sartori
DieHard
Western Australia
Rx7

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 03:22 pm, by:  Matt Sartori (Klutch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Still prefer the first one if it was manual...
Can't drive a 1000rwhp street car comfortably..

and

"Suspension: Zeal Function XS & Daizen Sways, TRD front STB"
hes done all engine mods and almost no suspension gear...
Christian Somerville
DieHard
South Australia
UZZ31 V8 LTD

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 04:01 pm, by:  Christian Somerville (Csomers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rowan, probably my favourite SC of all time.
Mike Beck
Goo Roo
New Zealand
E36 Coupe

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 06:01 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Rowan McMahon wrote on Monday, October 04, 2010 - 03:03 pm:


you COULD keep talking about this tasteless budget blowing POS with a$$-looking headlights.. OR.. you could check out T-Lex's 6speed 2JZ single polished massive turbo.




Hahah! Yes, about time someone said that.

VERY nice looking Soarer there.
Rowan McMahon
TryHard
WA
GTT-L

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 07:32 pm, by:  Rowan McMahon (Mr_eps) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hahahaha

...speaking of a55 looking headlights. check out these (my) badboys.



shocking photo actually =S
they're a lot better i promise.. will upload nicer photo this evening...

just reconditioned mine with glassylite.. a japanese reconditioning kit

available from auto1..

trust me they look a lot better than ^^^
Aaron Casey
Goo Roo
nsw
'94 jzz30 gttl, 2 mini's one supercharged :-)

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 08:48 pm, by:  Aaron Casey (Blownminiturbo) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the reason the ls platform hasnt gone ohc is due to engine bay size constraints.. i mean sure they would get more power but you would need a lot bigger engine compartment and sticking with the older style allows them to fit the engines in smaller cars like commodores etc.
keeping the cars smaller is less weight... less weight is less fuel economy when tuned right.
Ben Lipman
Goo Roo
NT
Soarer TT manual, plus TT track car

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Monday, October 04, 2010 - 10:20 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ali Saeed wrote on Monday, October 04, 2010 - 01:53 pm:

cause its easier to just revise a proven technology than spend millions on development of new technology




OHC is hardly new technology. Any rate GM/Ford/Chrysler all have OHC models, so they under stand the engineering and manufacturing involved. I reckon they stick to pushrods out of arrogance or laziness when building for the generally ignorant domestic market.

At least Ford has had a go with the 'mustang motor' (no idea of the designation).

On the other hand the US auto industry is in a state and their R&D budget is probably gleaned from the tips jar at their in house coffee shop.
Jerzy Stopczynski
TryHard
Westarn Australia
jzz20

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Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 01:29 pm, by:  Jerzy Stopczynski (Stomps) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol.. first car is nice.. great suspension work, but AUTO.. which equals instant fail..
the lack of engine mods is a shame, but suspension is far more important than power..

the second car.. lol... just lol.. 700hp gain in 1600rpm... undriveable much.. looks ok.. not as good as the first car.. but subtle..

ideas scenario is tt the 1uz and slap in a r154.. the cost wouldnt be extreme and would make for one hell of a great looking soarer with outstanding handling and useable power...

1000hp doesnt mean if its just a dyno queen.. a nice useable 400-500hp (easily achievable with basic tt 1uz) would be perfect...

anyway.. thats just my opinion..

Stomps
Damian Ware
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ32

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Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 01:18 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Tim Ross wrote on Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 08:43 am:

LS7 is a better motor than the 1UZ end of story.

The LS3 is used in the base model Vette, not the Z06.

The LS7 is alloy block, same as 1UZ, so its just as light, and each one is hand built. So its 'primitive' just because it has pushrods? Big deal... It's putting out the kind of power you need to supercharge a 1uz to make... and thats standard without any further tuning. If you want to go nuts, go the LS9.

As for this power per litre argument, again... its a retarded argument... power per litre is irrelevant, an S2000 motor pulls more power per litre than a 1UZ... yet put one of those in a Soarer and tell me how it goes?

Correcting my comment above about powertrain, I just remembered the latest vettes run a transaxle setup, so it makes sense to upgrade the whole drivetrain if you want to go down that path... but as to why you'd bother wasting all that time, effort, and money on a Soarer is absolutely beyond me (yes, shock horror - these vehicles are not as good as some of you may let yourselves believe, resale figures and demand for them on the market confirm this ugly truth)




LOL, power per lt is very valid in terms of efficiency and is very valid when making any smart motor choice.

The LS7 is a good motor, forged internals from factory handbuilt and produces good HP. But is is quite heavy (figures from 230-249kg on the net for a create engine depending on how complete) dispite the alloy design and it is dam expensive.

Create LS7 is roughly 25k USD roughly 10k more than other LS series create motors. LS7 runs a dry sump setup from factory and certainly would be great for some applications.

As to soarers not being as good as some people believe, please provide evidence/examples of why you think this is the case.

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