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Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 832 Reg: 08-2009
| That's cos yours is manual Paul! haha Have you put in those IMF extractors yet mate? |
Damian Ware
Goo Roo Victoria UZZ32
Posts: 1835 Reg: 10-2005
| Paul Ford seem to underate the factory HP of the turbo 6's to keep them under the V8's otherwise they wouldn't sell. The V8's tend to put down less RWKW even though they have a higher factory stated power figure. My mate works at ford and he was for about 12 months driving a just under 300rwkw 100% stock G6E. Only modification was a special ECU. |
Paul Knox
TryHard QLD uzz31 manual
Posts: 149 Reg: 08-2009
| ?? thats one reason i ask, because I was wondering if it was The Auto box robbing alot of power, But I've also heard that the manual and Auto can expect the same figures, and the Manual doesn't Rob power, which I always thought was the case , because Auto's have so much more hydraulic losses. ? Soon , with the Extractors , have eliminated 2 shops so just waiting for some time of from projects I have to finish to book it in. |
Damian Ware
Goo Roo Victoria UZZ32
Posts: 1837 Reg: 10-2005
| Modern day autos with lock up clutches tend to be quite efficent but I'm sure there are still some additional losses compared with a manual. Probably less than 5% but hard to compare without back to back figures for a specific auto and manual. |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo WA UZZ31
Posts: 2938 Reg: 09-2007
| i must admit the new Fords are like 10x better than the holdens. |
Ian Johnston
Goo Roo South Australia UZZ30 GT 4.0, Suzuki DL650 Vstrom. BA XR6Turbo Ute.
Posts: 1335 Reg: 07-2005
| My wife loves her Soarer, but doesnt complain when I mash the go pedal on my Turbo Falcon ute A dyno test between a 240kw turbo XR6, and a 260kw V8, shows the turbo putting out more rwkw than the V8. Paper talk for the V8 brigade me thinks |
Damian Ware
Goo Roo Victoria UZZ32
Posts: 1838 Reg: 10-2005
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Ali Saeed wrote on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 07:08 pm:i must admit the new Fords are like 10x better than the holdens.
Where on earth did you get that idea from. Both are budget elcheapo cars with bugger all separating them. I would say the new VE with the multi link rear end is a better driving car and with the new direct injection offering really good fuel economy (not to mention the new E85 versions) if I had to pick one or the other I would currently be swayed to a VE. Keep in mind this is a marginal call and I would pick many many other cars first. |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo WA UZZ31
Posts: 2941 Reg: 09-2007
| well thats your opinion. VE is boxy ugly and that alone would sway my vote to the Ford. |
Damian Ware
Goo Roo Victoria UZZ32
Posts: 1842 Reg: 10-2005
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Ali Saeed wrote on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 10:34 pm:well thats your opinion. VE is boxy ugly and that alone would sway my vote to the Ford.
Very true the Falcons are currently marginally better looking (what were holden thinking with those rediculous gaurds) but both are not what I would call inspiring and it also doesn't make the car 10 times better in my book. But it looks have that much influence to you its your choice. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo North Island JZZ31
Posts: 5996 Reg: 10-2005
| I like the G6E's - for a big saloon they aren't bad looking, and they are great bang for buck. However, some of the colour schemes are just TERRIBLE. Ford definitely have it in the looks departement at the moment - current Commodore shape is like some 10 year olds wet dream of what a car should look like, with those stupidly oversized flared wheel arches, pointless vents, bonnet bulges etc. Suits the people that drive them I guess. |
Aiden Cheese
DieHard QLD Soarer jzz30
Posts: 836 Reg: 09-2009
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Matthew Sharpe wrote on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 08:22 am:Suits the people that drive them I guess.
Beerguts, pockmarks, cankles and singlets? |
Andrew Duaso
DieHard Victoria G6E turbo 245rwkw stock as a rock
Posts: 651 Reg: 02-2009
| Rob you have been reading too many magazines, i only managed a 13 dead on a warm day into a 25km/h headwind fully loaded full tank 130kg driver 1000km on the odo on the 19s totally std at heathcote, not the quickest track... i personally know of an identical car in WA totally std that ran a 12.6 and a std XR6t (fg auto) thats also done several 12.6xx and i think the best is a 12.58 on a factory stock car with k&n filter only.. traction isnt an issue and with the std settings the car wont allow aggressive launches so slicks arent needed to get a mid 12... i did a 13.0 with a 2.3 60ft basically just put it in gear and pressed go no stalling it up no manual shifting etc.. just as youd find me sitting at the next red light.. Paul 245rwkw was an average of about a dozen runs, before we tuned it and with just 1psi more boost it made 275rwkw! not on a happy wanker dyno, cant do anything more due to valve float, once i can be bothered getting the valve springs done 300rwkw is about it tune only, after that injectors and turbo mods are needed, i was going to fit a full exhaust (not needed) along with an intercooler i have here and mod the turbo and a few other minor mods nothing major, exactly like another person i know has done all up 6K for 430rwkw, but since i drive the car once a week if that and race it maybe 2 times a year i have decided to just fit my cooler injectors cat and valve springs for about 310rwkw and leave it as that, i dunno if you have driven one but the turbo on the g6e's and fg xr's spools so quick 310rwkw will be insane... with one tune i was able to get 14psi under 2000rpm and it comes on to quick.. horses for courses, your missus likes the soarer i like a fast car with a boot that can swallow a hippo and fit me and 4 fat mates in... i do miss the electric steering column and 80L tank, but thats it.. |
Andrew Duaso
DieHard Victoria G6E turbo 245rwkw stock as a rock
Posts: 652 Reg: 02-2009
| Matthew i dont lake some of the colours either, but i love mine, on cloudy days its just another dark burgundy maroon brown what ever, but in sunlight its awesome i love it, and the cashmere interior is great too hard colour to capture but heres a basic pic, 2nd one with no sunlight to bring out the metal flake |
Matt Sartori
DieHard Western Australia Rx7
Posts: 894 Reg: 08-2008
| Cherry black? Same colour mazda offers on the mazda6's |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo North Island JZZ31
Posts: 6004 Reg: 10-2005
| Yeah, thats classy - how could I not like that when its basically the same as my Soarer only much darker! :-)
Aiden Cheese wrote on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 10:42 am:Beerguts, pockmarks, cankles and singlets?
Haha! Too right! They aren't all like that, just a lot of them. |
Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 837 Reg: 08-2009
| Andrew you punk! Hijacked my thread! Hahaha Who cares about your G6E, you know I like it so now help me out get the magic 200! Which of the 2 Hi flows should I get? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170528460292&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360291201109&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Serious question as I will purchase them fairly soon. |
Andrew Duaso
DieHard Victoria G6E turbo 245rwkw stock as a rock
Posts: 653 Reg: 02-2009
| get the metal cat! |
Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 838 Reg: 08-2009
| Any particular reason? Does everyone agree? |
Nathan Richardson
TryHard N.T. UZZ32 #445 (V8 Supercherged 5Speed. 291RWKW)
Posts: 357 Reg: 02-2006
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Andrew Duaso wrote on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 07:31 pm:get the metal cat
+1 |
Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 864 Reg: 08-2009
| Update! After I get my car back, I'm putting in my Torsen diff then looking at getting these Hi flows http://shop.rocketindustries.com.au/products/MF54305 and then an Emanage Ultimate, I'm getting Cihan install and tune. Hmm M90 after? |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand E36 Coupe
Posts: 5244 Reg: 11-2005
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Ken Yo wrote on Friday, December 10, 2010 - 11:31 pm:Hmm M90 after?
Don't waste your time and money |
Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 865 Reg: 08-2009
| Yeah? What would you do then? And NO I will not buy a crappy BMW |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand E36 Coupe
Posts: 5246 Reg: 11-2005
| A harrop or whipple charger. Or...... centrigfugal Paxton/Vortech charger. Both much better options than an old GM M90, they are cheap for a reason. Yeah crappy BMW's are a waste of time, lucky I just bought a good one. Owned it twice as along as any of my 5 soarers I had, so that speaks for itself IMO. |
Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 866 Reg: 08-2009
| And you wanting to put in a UZZ motor says that you deep down still love our engine But 200 is the magic number. A Harrop or Whipple would be a dream! But no pay no play. However, if an M90 can be reliable I may consider it. AND yes obviously if you abuse it, the car's engine/life dies quicker BUT, I plan to keep it for a long while. I think extractors, hi flows and an ECU remap might be where I stop depending how much difference it all makes. |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand E36 Coupe
Posts: 5247 Reg: 11-2005
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Ken Yo wrote on Saturday, December 11, 2010 - 06:48 pm:nd you wanting to put in a UZZ motor says that you deep down still love our engine
Always have always will. I just think the Lexus V8s are better suited in other cars than the stock lexus examples, sure they are good for crusing, but not for thrilling performance. Too heavy, too soft, especially in the corners. A couple of years ago I used to think the opposite when I thought Soarers were the ultimate and should only have 1UZFEs, but as I've driven more cars over the years I've come to find it just not the case. I still appreciate them for being a relaxing motorway cruiser of course... there are no cars as cheap that do it better!
Ken Yo wrote on Saturday, December 11, 2010 - 06:48 pm:However, if an M90 can be reliable I may consider it. AND yes obviously if you abuse it, the car's engine/life dies quicker BUT, I plan to keep it for a long while.
Well yeah, they work, but your pumping in an awful amount of heat into the engine with an M90, they just run too hot in my opinion, a sign of how inefficient they are. I would invest in a full stand alone ECU system over a M90 setup for a few grand or so... Much better spend of money. |
Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 867 Reg: 08-2009
| Yeah that's what I was thinking too mate, I've heard about the M90's love of heat. But then the next one up(Harrop) is so darn expensive. SO I may end up just tuning it with a new ECU and see how I go from there. I don't think I'd bother with upgrading Cams or other components so that's why I was thinking of the M90 setup. Hmmm |
Mike Beck
Goo Roo New Zealand E36 Coupe
Posts: 5249 Reg: 11-2005
| Well if you did a stand alone ECU the options are out there for upgrading the cam setup, which is where the 1UZ's are a bit lacking, but again that is 1500 bucks or more for small, yet effective gains. You would get more out of a supercharged setup if these things were upgraded before hand but it's more money again, which is what it comes down to. A thought though, if you go for a stand alone ECU the automatic then needs an ECU of its own, as the stock ECU controls it, not a problem if you have a manual transmission though. Big bucks making a 1UZ Soarer go fast, I guess it's why the go-fast people opt for the 1JZ models... easy as anything to crack 200rwkw! |
Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 868 Reg: 08-2009
| Aint that the truth! We'll see how things go mate, I'm definitely going through with an ECU, either Haltech or Emanage Ultimate. Still deciding |
Lew Radbourn
Goo Roo Queensland / Goodna uzz30 93'super charged . 502Hp Toyota lite ace
Posts: 3267 Reg: 07-2005
| Ken . Get hold of Pete Taplin about an ecu the wolf V500 has a plug and play harness available and it will run the auto trans as well. also Pete can tune it for you as well. If it supercharger you want as well i have one for sale off my car twin screw whipple $6300 complete kit just unbolt your manifold and bolt mine back on it has injectors fuel reg every thing you need to put any ecu in your car and tune it.and my supercharger has only done around 2000kms so it is like brand new |
Andrew Duaso
DieHard Victoria 311rwkw
Posts: 660 Reg: 02-2009
| Ken i got my 300rwkw 311rwkw to be precise and all pretty much stock there was mor in it but its safe and reliable, upgraded the cooler piping so it wouldnt blow (as the stock plastic does) new injectors and metal cat, all else standard i think you need a supercharger ;) if i see one ill let you know |
Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 870 Reg: 08-2009
| Nah I'm not interested in a Twin Screw. If anything I'd get the HTV1900 as it's cheaper and sees me to some nicer power figures! Twin Screw is just too expensive! |
Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 875 Reg: 08-2009
| What extractors would go with a V8 with a W58 box? I know Neil's Rush extractors won't work. I hear IMF are the go but no one has seem to have gotten them on. Ideas? |
Nathan Richardson
TryHard N.T. UZZ32 #445 (V8 Supercherged 5Speed. 291RWKW)
Posts: 423 Reg: 02-2006
| Bullet Cars can supply stumpy extractors which will suit a W58 setup. They are a bit pricey though from memory. |
Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 876 Reg: 08-2009
| http://www.clublexus.com/forums/club-lexus-vendor-marketplace/518295-imf-group-buy-sc400s-headers-49 9-a.html |
Scott Vim
Tinkerer Vic Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)
Posts: 38 Reg: 12-2010
| I think my v8 soarer is into or close to 200rwkw Stock except a charger. My 1jz is just a little over 200rwkw but its still faster. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo NSW TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 6059 Reg: 03-2006
| Scott , care to share your mods on your V8 soarer ? |
Scott Vim
Tinkerer Vic Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)
Posts: 41 Reg: 12-2010
| Had it for a little while now but I bought it with the charger already done on it. (GREAT STUFF). Pretty sure it has a cat back exhaust. standard exhaust manifold and standard everything else. First thing before I do extractors I've got to fix the airbag issue. Front left seems to be a common fail. I haven't even got a BFI intake- worth doing? |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo WA UZZ31
Posts: 3104 Reg: 09-2007
| sure is worth doing. remember to chuck in a new air filter if the current one looks stuffed |
Andrew Duaso
DieHard Victoria 311rwkw
Posts: 666 Reg: 02-2009
| scott i think your getting a little confused with rwkw and kw at the flywheel a stock 1UZ is no where near 200 rwkw, with minor mods they push past 200kw at the engine though, but you need more than a catback to break 200 rwkw |
Warren Moore
Goo Roo Victoria i drive a car.
Posts: 1004 Reg: 01-2010
| so andrew, on the spec sheet they are rated at 191kw factory, are you saying this is not rwkw but in fact just kw from the engine? are are you saying over time they would be anywhere near 200rwkw? |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo NSW TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 6062 Reg: 03-2006
| Andrew , Re-Read Scotts post ...
Scott Vim wrote on Saturday, January 22, 2011 - 01:43 am: I bought it with the charger already done on it. (GREAT STUFF).
It is supersharged . Although Stock motor and fuel system with a cat back and stock M90 with 6psi will be good for about 160-175rwkw , not quite the 200 talked about in this post |
Scott Vim
Tinkerer Vic Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)
Posts: 42 Reg: 12-2010
| Yeah I was talking about rear wheel kw not at the fly. I'm going to get it dyno'd soon. Pretty sure it was up around 180-190rwkw. Maybe on a happy dyno. I'll keep you posted when I get it on the dyno myself. My 1jz is 206rwkw (no I don't mean at the fly). If I'd have to pick just one I'd pick the v8 but there's not much in it. So do you think a BFI will give me gains with a charger already on it? |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo NSW TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 6068 Reg: 03-2006
| Cant see why not |
Ken Yo
DieHard Victoria V8
Posts: 877 Reg: 08-2009
| So anyways, Extractors? IMF? |
Scott Vim
Tinkerer Vic Soarer (1uz) Chaser (1jz)
Posts: 45 Reg: 12-2010
| Go extractors for sure and full exhaust. But don't go w58. Try and see if you can get a r154 or neil has a conversion kit for 6spd commodore. w58 is a risk. They get away with them in cressidas because they have less weight and load. |
Brett Harrison
DieHard QLD JZZ30
Posts: 501 Reg: 09-2005
| Scott, what air intake are you running now ? |