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Warren Moore
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Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 12:32 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so which should i get..? amsoil or royal purple? should i get 0W-20?
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Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 04:32 pm, by:  Joshua Baldwin (Celsior101) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 05:56 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 06:58 am:

Castrol Magnatec 10w40



Nothing wrong with this stuff for normal road use!
Mike Triggs
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Friday, November 12, 2010 - 04:37 pm, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Warren Moore wrote on Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 12:32 pm:

so which should i get..? amsoil or royal purple? should i get 0W-20?




From the link Damian posted earlier, it would appear that Amsoil is the better of the two oils. I'd advise against 0W-20, I read a test somewhere which was disparaging of 5W-20 for summer conditions (which is a large part of the year in this country). Nothing wrong with 5W-30.
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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 12:02 am, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mike Triggs wrote on Friday, November 12, 2010 - 04:37 pm:



From the link Damian posted earlier, it would appear that Amsoil is the better of the two oils. I'd advise against 0W-20, I read a test somewhere which was disparaging of 5W-20 for summer conditions (which is a large part of the year in this country). Nothing wrong with 5W-30.




awesome mate. how much oil would a 2jz-ge take? 5 quarts (4.7L) we are looking at ~$80au for amsoil 5w-30..
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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 05:48 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Honestly Warren, you are wasting your money on a 2JZ-GE with that expensive oil, unless you are track daying your car a lot. $40 Castrol or Penrite, and an OEM filter is just fine.
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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 05:48 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, and yes, the 2JZ-GE with a new filter needs about 4.5-5 litres.
Mike Triggs
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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 08:19 am, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with Matthew. There's no real need to spend ~$80 on Amsoil or other fancy oil for day-to-day running. I've used Castrol Edge 5W-30 for several years in n/a 3.0l, usually picked up on special for $40-45 for 5 litres from Autobarn or the like.

The thing about Amsoil is, that it is great for those people who do high mileages annually. If you don't, you're wasting money, because even their very best oil is recommended to be changed annually, regardless of kms covered. Even ordinary oils are good for 10-15k- our Koleos (petrol) change interval is 10k- the diesel version is 15k (although I'd hope they have bypass oil filtration setup!). The recommended oil for our petrol is Nissan 10W-30, and as a lease car, that's what went in yesterday for 10k service.
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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 03:08 pm, by:  Tom Brookes (Aristor) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have the GS300 owners manual. The 2jz-ge take 5.5L with filter change. I did mine this week.

I have read on the net that it's good to match your usual climate with the oil you use. For summer I believe it would be acceptable to use 15-40W oil, especially in the more worn/older motors, which I'd say is the majority of people on this site.

In the gs300 manual there is a temperature range graph, and 15-40 has a range starting in the -12 degrees celcius, 10-30w -18, and 5-30w -29. And that recommendation is for new car owners, not mentioning older worn out cars.

So in theory, according to the manual 15-40 would be fine year long round... even in winter.

It is interesting that people perceive better performance with the 5w-x oils. How does one get to the bottom of this?
Damian Ware
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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 05:14 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I use amsoil 5w-40 which has worked very well in my uzz32.

In the pulsar I use castrol Edge 5w-30, I change the oil every 5000km which is about 4-5 times per year. I don't believe in the long drain intervals and I regularly perform oil changes to insure the oil is always clean and in the best possible condition.

In the pulsar I tried a 10w-30 oil and it was fine until winter at a cold start. The engine would be a bit rough a noisy for 10 seconds on start up, OEM specification was to use 7.5w-30 oil which is a weight I have never seen before. I switched to 5w-30 and it was perfect smooth and quite again.


Tom Brookes wrote on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 03:08 pm:

It is interesting that people perceive better performance with the 5w-x oils. How does one get to the bottom of this?




This isn't just perception some oils have proven dyno output differences with back to back testing.

The HPR 15 is 15w-60 but super thick it is almost like gear oil. I am aware of turbo failures and engines being damaged when using this oil when factory recommendation was for the likes of 10w-30 even when they were no where near new.


For anyone else that isn't convinced regarding using thicker oils look up the honda forums the newer civics have had big issues with using thicker oil. After cars were out of warranty ie over 100,000km. Owners have had there cars serviced at regular joe blow mechanics who typically just use the likes of any oil they had available which have resulted in failed engines.
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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 07:15 pm, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Tom Brookes wrote on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 03:08 pm:

.... not mentioning older worn out cars.

So in theory, according to the manual 15-40 would be fine year long round... even in winter.




I think too much is made of wear in our engines. I would think "worn out" would be well over 300,000km with these fine engines, and by that stage I guess few would care what oil goes in their engine. Older engines had vast tolerances from new- probably greater than "worn out" U- and J- engines. They took 15W-40 or 20W-50 oil, and most importantly, had oilways and oil pumps to suite. Oilways and oil pumps don't change just because an engine has high mileage, so I'd be sticking to recommended viscosities. 15W-40 would be an absolute max, to me, and 10W or 5W-40 preferable (most 15W-40 oils about are designed for diesels, and older ones at that. Our Rexton took 10W-40, I refused to allow 15W-40 in the engine.
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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 07:17 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well money is not an issue for me guys, and I always want to put the best into my car. Probably more so for piece of mind knowing that the engine is better lubricated.

On the amsoil website, you can choose what engine you have and it recommends what oils, filters, plugs etc. would be best suited for your engine. this is the 2jz-ge:
http://www.amsoil.com/MyGarage/VehicleLookup.aspx?url2=1994+TOYOTA+SUPRA+4&metric=True&celsius=True

do oil filters and spark plugs make much of a difference if buying cheaper versus expensive ones? im thinking about just buying everything that page recommends, what do you guys think about the plugs and oil filters it recommends? again, money is not an issue..
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Warren Moore wrote on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 07:17 pm:

Well money is not an issue for me guys, and I always want to put the best into my car. Probably more so for piece of mind knowing that the engine is better lubricated.

On the amsoil website, you can choose what engine you have and it recommends what oils, filters, plugs etc. would be best suited for your engine. this is the 2jz-ge:
http://www.amsoil.com/MyGarage/VehicleLookup.aspx?url2=1994+TOYOTA+SUPRA+4&metric=True&celsius=True

do oil filters and spark plugs make much of a difference if buying cheaper versus expensive ones? im thinking about just buying everything that page recommends, what do you guys think about the plugs and oil filters it recommends? again, money is not an issue..




Regardless of whether money's an issue (it is for me, as a mere Public Servant!) it would seem a waste to use an oil which is formulated for a 20-25,00km change interval, and take it out and throw it away at 5000km. I'm no greenie, but I do think about the use my dirty oil is put to (once I used to burn it as I was heavily involved inland clearing). If it is to be recycled, well and good. Even synthetic oil is a "finite resource".

You'll notice that for all applications, 0W or 5W-30 is stipulated, nothing thicker.

As for plugs and filters, opinions vary, but Toyota filters are favoured, and plugs depend on how often you want to change them. Copper plugs work fine but need changing often (a big job on some of our motors) while platinum and iridium plugs have a much longer service life (and higher initial cost). Given the price of labour (I'm too old and crotchety to bother doing my own plugs these days) the Iridium plugs get the nod for me.}
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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 09:22 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mike Triggs wrote on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 08:16 pm:

Regardless of whether money's an issue (it is for me, as a mere Public Servant!) it would seem a waste to use an oil which is formulated for a 20-25,00km change interval, and take it out and throw it away at 5000km. I'm no greenie, but I do think about the use my dirty oil is put to (once I used to burn it as I was heavily involved inland clearing). If it is to be recycled, well and good. Even synthetic oil is a "finite resource".

As for plugs and filters, opinions vary, but Toyota filters are favoured, and plugs depend on how often you want to change them. Copper plugs work fine but need changing often (a big job on some of our motors) while platinum and iridium plugs have a much longer service life (and higher initial cost). Given the price of labour (I'm too old and crotchety to bother doing my own plugs these days) the Iridium plugs get the nod for me.




Well it's not a waste if the oil is better protecting your engine is it? I think the main reason people buy these premium oils is for the better job they do to protect and lubricate your engine, not so much being able to use the same oil for a long period of time.

Apart from longer service life, do some spark plugs perform better than others?
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Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 11:25 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmm, 5.5 litres would be overfull on my 2JZ-GE. Maybe the GS300 has a larger sump.

I always use iridium plugs as you have to pull of the throttle body to change them, and I don't want to be doing that every 20,000km with coppers. So far I've stuck with NGK, mostly because I can get them at a good price.
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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 04:27 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can get NGK Iridium IX plugs for $14 each, is this a good price? Also which exact ones do the GE take? Cause there are about 20 different ones to choose from, probaby for different engines..
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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 04:55 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I paid $6.50 US each I would be buying them from USA off ebay atm.
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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 05:13 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Which ones did you get? On the product page im looking at i can see all different ones:
http://www.performancelub.com/NGK%20pricelist.htm
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I actually bought 5 sets to suit different engines, but I doubt any of them are suitable for your engine.

You need to find the factory heat range and gap for the 2JZ-GE then match it to the iridium plug.
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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 11:19 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so does anyone know which spark plugs are for the GE?
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 06:24 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

5 or 6 heat range (5 is OEM, but 6 works fine and they are usually easier to get) 1.1mm gap.

The NGK code ends in 5EX-11 or something like that from memory.
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 11:13 am, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BKR6EIX-11 is the way i need apparently
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Looks about right, the 1uz uses the same plug, heat range 6 is the OEM plug for most applications with 10:1 comps including the 1uz.

I use the next colder plug BKR7EIX-11 in my supercharged 1uz which works fine so I wouldn't see any issues using the BKR6EIX-11 in the 2jz even if it is one heat range cooler than factory.
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Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 07:37 pm, by:  John Wan (Johnwan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry to bring up an old thread.

I saw Royal Purple on the shelf today and I was doing some research.

BTW that youtube clip is full of crap.

A proper test would be to increase the pressure at a linear rate, but the guy just keeps adding weight when he feels like it, ie not at a constant time. How could this be a scientific repeatable test?

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