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Cameron Dearden
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South Australia
UZZ30

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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 06:00 pm, by:  Cameron Dearden (Crskmd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know it might sound like Sacrilege to some of you, but i have been offered to swap my auto soarer (V8) for a manual SR20DET 200SX (series 1 s14.

what are your opinions.

some reason id trade:
- i can't fit my bike in the soarer and the seats go down in the 200sx
- manual>auto (my opinion at least)
-SR20 is a 2.0 so should use less fuel.
- i like the sound of a turbo.

reason i don't want to trade:
- soarers look better
- sound better 1UZ-FE
- more unique
- i love my soarer
Yang Gao
Tinkerer
Western Australia
Soarer UZZ31 V8

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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 06:26 pm, by:  Yang Gao (Ryugen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Coming from a S13 with a S14 engine, i can tell you the petrol consumption is close, even negligible depending on the person.

Just refueled my V8 manual, and it came down to (assuming the computer number is correct at displaying how much i got left) 13.8l/100. On my sil i got bout 12ish with granny driving.

Thing it comes down to is that, with the straight 4, you get nothing without boost, and without boost is the only way to save fuel.

Can't comment on your bike needs

Only positive i feel from a turbo 2l is the kick. I do miss the kick from my 270hp silvia, havn't seen a thing get the blood pumping like your car suddenly throwing you back and start adjusting it's own angles lol

Also don't know where you located but in Perth S series cars are everywhere...

Oh and parts for them is crazy easy to find. Lol, it's like a supermarket out there and pretty decent prices too.

Hope i helped a bit and didn't confuse too much
Cameron Dearden
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South Australia
UZZ30

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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 06:39 pm, by:  Cameron Dearden (Crskmd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah the instant torque for the V8.

parts wise to replace i have heard they are cheaper and easier to find.

but it is good feeling out for a drive in the hills and being the only soarer. surrounded by silvia's and skylines. (but that's is why soarer cost more to fix).

i guess when it comes down to it the two things about the soarer i don't like is that it is auto and i can't get my bike in it.

one day i'd love to own a V8 manual Soarer.

should also mention the 200sx has 170,000kms on the clock. Is that to much?
Yang Gao
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Western Australia
Soarer UZZ31 V8

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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 06:52 pm, by:  Yang Gao (Ryugen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How much for? The SR engines are good in terms of life, as long as it has been properly treated. One thing is to ask if they have changed the chain (instead of belt, it uses a chain... load longer lasting but it makes the engine sound sorta like a tractor hahaha)

Yeah parts for sil are cheap as chips, pretty awesome

170kkms on a sil though is quite a bit, so many around so should be able to get a fairly good ks for a decent price. Just hunt around.

Any mods on it? Could have had a harsh life?
Cameron Dearden
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South Australia
UZZ30

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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 06:59 pm, by:  Cameron Dearden (Crskmd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it is a straight swap. 200SX S1 for UZZ30 Soarer.

mods include: FMIC, pod filter, BB turbo, coilovers and sway bars/strut braces. Still has stock wheels.

EDIT: running 10psi boost is that makes a difference. doesnt ahvea boost controller or bleed valve so i guess thats stock boost?
Yang Gao
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Western Australia
Soarer UZZ31 V8

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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 08:34 pm, by:  Yang Gao (Ryugen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stock boost should be 7psi, can safely handle 14. Sounds like a decent enough swap to me, maybe other people could comment too. Then again i don't know the condition of your soarer.

No boost controller running 10psi, bit ??? about that one.

If your mind is set, go for it. The S14 chassis should still be decent, if it was a S13 i'd tell you to check the electrical stuff (coilpacks, looms etc)
Cameron Dearden
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South Australia
UZZ30

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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 08:58 pm, by:  Cameron Dearden (Crskmd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hmm weird about the boost then ill ask him. my soarer is in pretty good condition (see profile) but it is nothing special.

links here : soarer
http://adelaide.gumtree.com.au/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-Toyota-Soarer-V8-83-000kms-SWAP -for-what-you-have-W0QQAdIdZ271157496

200sx http://adelaide.gumtree.com.au/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-mint-1996-s14-200sx-silvia-W0QQ AdIdZ274070133
Mark Pattel
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Queensland
RT142 with a 1jz and R154 5 speed

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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 09:07 pm, by:  Mark Pattel  (Mark1414) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I personally would do the deal (which will probably go against the majority of responses on a SOARER forum). It really depends what you want. The soarer would be a nicer daily driver but if you after something that's a bit fast and a bit more of a drivers car the lightweight manual s14 would fit the bill. Parts for these cars are everywhere so if you want to modify it in any way in the future it should be cheap and easy to do.
Yang Gao
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Western Australia
Soarer UZZ31 V8

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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 09:27 pm, by:  Yang Gao (Ryugen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That engine...i can't see properly cause the bar is in the way...but from that photo alone it doesn't look like a S14 engine..have you seen the car in person?
Cameron Dearden
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South Australia
UZZ30

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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 09:58 pm, by:  Cameron Dearden (Crskmd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah i have looks pretty good. but i dunno what the engine is meant to look like. it sounded like a turbo tractor...
Yang Gao
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Western Australia
Soarer UZZ31 V8

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Thursday, May 26, 2011 - 10:15 pm, by:  Yang Gao (Ryugen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol, yeah that is what it's meant to sound like.

The rear of the engine, closest to the cabin, should be sloped downwards instead of being straight.

http://www.aspecperformance.com/images/sr20det1.jpg
http://www.advancedjapautoimports.com.au/s14_halk_cut.JPG

This signifies that the engine is S14 onwards and has vvt

A standard black/red top from a S13/180sx has a flat top

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/9283583/130_0711_05_z%2Bdrift_89_91_nissan_s13_240sx_sr20det%2B pink_engine_bay_apexi_ax53_turbo_arc_front_mount_intercooler_3.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/SR20DET.jpg/250px-SR20DET.jpg

This is the non vvt version.

VVT makes a difference and produces more base power.
Cameron Dearden
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UZZ30

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Friday, May 27, 2011 - 01:33 am, by:  Cameron Dearden (Crskmd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

does this mean it doesn't have the stock engine? is ADM different
Cameron Dearden
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UZZ30

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Friday, May 27, 2011 - 01:37 am, by:  Cameron Dearden (Crskmd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

on closer inspection it looks slanted at the back


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Yang Gao
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Western Australia
Soarer UZZ31 V8

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Friday, May 27, 2011 - 01:53 am, by:  Yang Gao (Ryugen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just double check when you see it again, that angle is just bad lol.

ADM/JDM i believe only diff is the turbo used and some other parts, same engine.
Dean Kempers
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Victoria
TT

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Friday, May 27, 2011 - 09:10 pm, by:  Dean Kempers (Kempers) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ive got a s13 Ca18det and a jzz30 TT auto. both have there good and bad parts. The s13 i can throw into a corner and i know ima make it out the other end. Where as with the TT im still a little unsure. The 200 will feel like a go kart compared to your V8. All in all you wont regret swapping if you do, Great cars the s chassis ( when there going ;) )
Chris Lock
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sa
V8 Limited

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Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 08:59 am, by:  Chris Lock (Sledge) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Other ad isn't available any more.. so can't give opinion, but.. if you had the higher spec'd V8 (31/32) then i'd say probably not, but seeing as though you only have a 30, i'd say probably an ok swap as long as the car you're getting is good..
Vinh Nguyen
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SA
JZZ31

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Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 01:25 pm, by:  Vinh Nguyen (Vinism) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I used to own a s13, and ended up selling it... But they're quick cars and noticeably smaller/ lighter too. Like Dean said, S chassis cars feel like go karts compared to the Soarer.
Kyle Wathen
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Vic
UZZ31

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Friday, June 03, 2011 - 07:01 am, by:  Kyle Wathen (Cspot) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a Strap on bike rack which latches to the back of the boot and bumper - no need for a two bar. Once it's set up it takes 2min to put on and/or remove and you can store it in the boot. It has safely transported my bike for 2 years and I have no issues putting $6k worth of bikes on the back when we go to an event. Could be a solution to your bike issue with the Soarer?
Lloyd Roberts
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NSW
JZZ31

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Saturday, June 04, 2011 - 02:52 pm, by:  Lloyd Roberts (Lloydulation) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Surely they aren't as reliable as our soarers though?

There's a silvia that looks a like like an old z20 soarer too. I don't mind the look of that one. I think it's the s13
Yang Gao
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Western Australia
Soarer UZZ31 V8

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Saturday, June 04, 2011 - 04:23 pm, by:  Yang Gao (Ryugen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SR20s don't have the reputation of reaching 400kkms, but i think that's mostly because we get our hands on them, put 400-500hp through them, blow something and then forged internals with massive changes to match hahaha

But they are good engines none the less
Cameron Dearden
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South Australia
UZZ30

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Saturday, June 04, 2011 - 09:16 pm, by:  Cameron Dearden (Crskmd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I ended up buying a R32 skyline. Manual turbo. Coilovers. Exhaust bigger turbo etc

Damn wish I'd known about the strap on bike rack before haha.
Mark Pattel
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Saturday, June 04, 2011 - 10:06 pm, by:  Mark Pattel  (Mark1414) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A RB20DET r32? hahah
Cameron Dearden
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UZZ30

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Sunday, June 05, 2011 - 09:53 am, by:  Cameron Dearden (Crskmd) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah haha RB20+T30 = lag monster
Alexander Green
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Soarer Jzz30 GT-TL

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 07:37 pm, by:  Alexander Green (Greeno) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

old thread but i actually went the other way and swapped an rb20det s13 silvia for my soarer, reason being the silvia was 1.uncomfortable 2.way too common 3.cop bait ......soarer solved all those problems and is faster (in a straight line haha)

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