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Robbie Rashleigh
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Soarer TT

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Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 03:28 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am wondering if anyone could help me with my soarer, It has fault coming up on dash that translated reads engine electrical problem. Looking for someone who knows what to check for or someone with a spare ecu to try and see if the problem is the ecu.
Matchy Loi
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Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 03:32 pm, by:  Matchy Loi (Ftk148) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Try doing the diagnostics, will tell you where the issue is.
Robbie Rashleigh
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Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 03:51 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ive been reading the diagnostics page on here. but i dont 100 percent understand. am i just bridging the diagnostic ports with a peice of wire??
Robbie Rashleigh
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Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 04:48 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

desperate here guys. If someone is willing to help me out i will not let you efforts go without reward. case of beer or bottle of spirit. or could someone tell me what i need to be doing with the diagnostic. i understand bridging the two connections to make it come up on dash but its still not doing what i expected.
Robbie Rashleigh
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Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 05:05 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

had a mate help me. i got error code efi 13 and efi 21. so o2 sensor and rpm signal sensor. What is the latter one. is it like a crank angle sensor??
Ben Lipman
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Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 07:40 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Robbie Rashleigh wrote on Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 03:51 pm:

Ive been reading the diagnostics page on here. but i dont 100 percent understand. am i just bridging the diagnostic ports with a peice of wire??




Don't be ridiculous man. Use a paperclip.

Looks like you figured it out.

Can't help with the rpm signal sensor. Never had an issue with it, so never looked for it.
Shane Haverkamp
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Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 08:58 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

is the car actually working/running?

i dont think its the crank angle sensor, or has anything to do with that. crank angle sensor is just sensor that detects if the crank is spinning.

rpm is normally gathered from the -neg side of the coil. as our soarers don't have coils and distributors i'm not to sure where it gets the signal from. most likely the ignitor.
Robbie Rashleigh
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Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 09:24 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yes car runs . just drives slow like its in limp mode. It wont boost at all. I drove it to craigieburn from ballarat today. i thought the crank angle sensor was what gave the car the timing for spark. I have come from a rotary background and thats how it works with them.
Robbie Rashleigh
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Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 09:31 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

as you said the soarer has no distrubitor so the crank angle sensor must give the timing. i need to sleep i think its making me stupid
Shane Haverkamp
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Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 09:51 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

pretty sure the CAS is just used making sure the crank is turning with the camshafts.

it gets its signal from a toothed gear looking thing that spins with the crank shaft pulley and has nothing to do with the timing/firing

it just tells the igniter that everything is moving and to let it fire the coil packs/spark plugs.


but dont quote me on this as i may be wrong
Matchy Loi
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Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 11:04 pm, by:  Matchy Loi (Ftk148) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have you done anything to the car recently?

The first thing I would do is find those two sensors, and make sure that they're plugged in and clean etc, and that the wires that go towards them haven't been chopped/falling out/damaged.

A quick search on the forum of efi 13 shows up a few threads related to the cam sensor.

Good luck with it.
Robbie Rashleigh
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Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 03:38 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have only just purchased the car. It has been in limp mode since i got it. I think i know where the sensors are. on the passenger side of the car just below a little breather valve from the cam cover, there is wat i believe is one. and it seems to be very oily and greasy. its hard to get to to undo it, i got some crc n sprayed it. giving it a few minutes now before i plug battery back in and try again
Robbie Rashleigh
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Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 05:33 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

still no good. looking into getting some cam position sensors. Are they different from front to back?? also next time i have a play ill trace the wires back to ecu and make sure they arent stuffed. The timing seems fine. I took the cam pulleys off and the belt looks fine too. Thats pretty much it. I am out of ideas after ive tried these. been researching as much as i can. If i cant solve it by next weekend i will be taking it to a mechanic.
Shane Haverkamp
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nsw
soarer TT

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Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 07:47 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you might need to pull off the cam covers and make sure the timing is all good, a quick google search shows a few V8 people have trouble with error code 13 when the timing is out by a tooth

maybe just whip the top cam cover off and make sure the cams a lining up at TDC (top dead center)
Robbie Rashleigh
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Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 08:00 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the cam cover is off and i can see the white lines on the cam pulleys from when its had the belt done. they line up. yer i have been searching flat out. started checking stuff today. ill check more next weekend.
Shane Haverkamp
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Monday, July 04, 2011 - 09:12 am, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

prob a silly question but does resseting the computer (pullng the efi fuse for 30 seconds) does that get the car out of limp mode?
Robbie Rashleigh
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Monday, July 04, 2011 - 09:52 am, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No as car does diagnostic on start up and finds problem straight away
Robbie Rashleigh
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Monday, July 04, 2011 - 07:02 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hopefully i will have two cam sensors on the way soon. Will try that when they arrive. if its not that then i may think about taking it to be looked at.
Robbie Rashleigh
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Wednesday, July 06, 2011 - 09:38 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok so i have figured out the problem. One of the lugs on the cam that goes passed the sensors has snapped off. So its new cam time
Matchy Loi
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Thursday, July 07, 2011 - 01:54 am, by:  Matchy Loi (Ftk148) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a spare set of cam shafts, I also have a crank-pulley special service tool.

Are you intending to go aftermarket or stay oem?
Robbie Rashleigh
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Friday, July 08, 2011 - 07:41 pm, by:  Robbie Rashleigh (2annoy) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey matchy. thanks mate but i have already got one. I just need a new timing belt and waterpump and i can start the fun. Do you know anywhere that keeps these parts in stock?? What is the tool you have?? What is it for??

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