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Colin Marsh
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Victoria
V8

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Saturday, March 23, 2019 - 05:41 pm, by:  Colin Marsh (Cgmarsh) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess that I already know, but has anyone got any good ideas on getting a broken piece of rotor cover gasket seal out of the front of the motor? Insert naughty words here " "!!

I was pulling out the plug leads, yep Tim , they are original. I was looking at the plugs and rotors whilst I was in the area. Rotors were changed 60K ago and so far, LHS is pristine, but I am experiencing a random power loss problem, so I thought "Why not". Well, that was until I saw the block side piece (about 100mm) of the rotor cover gasket break away and fall down behind the cam pulley. It was brittle and just broke off. I can't see it, so I guess that it is out of reach...

I am 40K of the obligatory belt, water pump, pulleys and plugs marathon. The ride is UZZ30, so it's non-interference. As I see it, there are 2 ways of looking at this. I must admit, I subscribe to the second, but I am just putting it out there.

1. Fire up the compressor and give it a really go blow. I am sure that I could fashion a long snorkel, hoping to move the offending piece of flotsam to the bottom. Whilst the leads are off, crank for a while. If the plastic/rubberish thingie gets caught in a pulley with teeth, at least it is not at 3000 RPM, may be dislodged and end up down the bottom. Or,

2. Pull everything off the front of the motor and pull it out. This will be pretty painful, as I am having to do the same thing in about 6~7 months.

EUREKA MOMENT... Has anyone ever tried to work an inspection mirror/USB camera probe down the front of a UZZ30? I'm off to e-bay...
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 09:50 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why not just do the major service now?
Colin Marsh
Tinkerer
Victoria
V8

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 11:43 am, by:  Colin Marsh (Cgmarsh) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Peter. I thought of that but I looked at the timing belt and there is not a mark to be seen, no pulley noise at all and no water leak. I have ordered a 5mm semi rigid endoscope with LED's. If it's there, I should be able to find it. I am currently looking for something like a long Hirschmann clip for retrieval. Finding one may be a little more difficult. Even if I wanted to do the major service, the car is currently parked in the open, at the front of my house and that is 60 odd metres from good cover. Trouble is that I was only expecting to spend an hour or so in the sun yesterday. Some very famous last words those...
Tom Richards
Goo Roo
nsw
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Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 12:03 pm, by:  Tom Richards (Tomr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

my 2 bobs worth blow it to the bottom. any contact to the gears will just chew it up anyway.
Colin Marsh
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Victoria
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Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 02:48 pm, by:  Colin Marsh (Cgmarsh) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Tom. Thanks. This is exactly what my post was meant to do. My big fear though is that it will find the a tooth of a pulley then meet the belt and stay there... Worst case I know, but plan for the worst and when it doesn't happen, it feels like a win. I am resigned to the fact that it sits until I get the scope and have a look at the very least.
Tim Schroeter
TryHard
NSW
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Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 09:48 pm, by:  Tim Schroeter (790) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Inspect the cam sensors & make sure the wires are correctly located. It's not uncommon for them to be damaged by contact with the timing belt if incorrectly routed.
Roland Elliott
TryHard
New South Wales
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Monday, March 25, 2019 - 03:58 am, by:  Roland Elliott (Aussie2013) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You could just take the risk and just leave it there, it may just drop to the bottom, there isnt much room down there for it, but it may just squish up and crumble to pieces anyway.
Colin Marsh
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Victoria
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Monday, March 25, 2019 - 10:10 pm, by:  Colin Marsh (Cgmarsh) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stopped off at SCA this arvo and invested $6.50 in a 600mm long Hirschmann style picker. I expect the endoscope in a couple of days. I reckon that armed with these 2, I can retrieve the broken bit of gasket. WRT part numbers for offending gasket, I have tried looking, but all I can find is that the lower cam pulley cover is No 15, nothing about the gasket thingie. As yet unable to source reliable parts number(s). I understand that there are "good" CD's/DVD's out there. I read that they are available through LSOC, but searches over the weekend dead-ended. If anyone knows a source, please post. I previously purchased a "service manual" before, but it was absolutely useless. No part numbers and 10th generation scans of diagrammes... I am prepared to pay good money for good quality material.
Tim, it was when I was trying to tease the cam sensor wire through the grommet that the whole thing went belly up. Just wiggled the cover a little and it was as if the whole thing was in "slo-mo", the broken bit came away, looped up and disappeared between the top of the cam pulley and the head. BTW. Leads are dated 1992, as you suggested they might be. I have ordered replacements and expect them later this week.
Colin Marsh
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Victoria
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Friday, April 05, 2019 - 06:03 pm, by:  Colin Marsh (Cgmarsh) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For anyone that may be interested.
I finally received the endoscope. It took 15 minutes to download and install the software onto a laptop. That was longer than it took for me to locate and using the <$7 SCA Hirschmann type grabber, retrieve the offending bit of scrap. If you DuckDuckGo "dog with 2 wagging tails", you get to see my mug shot, WAHOOO.

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