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Cristian Gruber
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UZZ31 SC400

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Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:50 pm, by:  Cristian Gruber (Cgru2) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK to cut a long story short, my car came from the panel beaters and now it starts fine but after about 30seconds starts dieing off then dies off.

Now the car sat at the panel beaters with a dead empty tank of petrol for 2 weeks. I've got about 15L of petrol in it now.

If I run wires straight from the battery to the fuel pump connections behind the back seat, it runs fine but hesitates when i suddently step on it.

If I run the fuel pump on its original wires coming from the boot(where the tank is), the car seems to bog down, and if I suddently step on it ... it dies! It also seems to bog down more when when suspension pump is on, or headlights are on, etc. Then dies off.

It seems to me like there is something that controls how much current goes to the pump, and that something is gone or going soon.

Mark .. any ideeas? Anyone?

Thanks guys.
Cristian Gruber
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Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 11:29 pm, by:  Cristian Gruber (Cgru2) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

By the way I also did the B+ jumper trick on the diagnostic, to bypass the FP ECU (which is the same as running cables from the battery).

In this case, the car idles acceptable (not the best though), but still hesitates and tends to die off when I accelerate.

So I'm starting to think that either my FP is dirty or clogged up, or is on its way out.
Peter Nitschke
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Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 04:06 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It might be worth changing the fuel filter and putting some decent 98 RON fuel in then taking it for a bit of a drive to suck the stale stuff out.

Possibly run some injector cleaner through it also.
Freeman Tang
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JZZ30 GT-TL

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Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 06:49 pm, by:  Freeman Tang (Cobra_man) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

check your terminal connections for coolant temp sender, that's vital for the ecu to know if the engine is cold or not and if it should switch to closed loop.

also check all other electric connections, like TPS, air flow meter etc.
Cristian Gruber
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Friday, May 26, 2006 - 10:01 am, by:  Cristian Gruber (Cgru2) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This morning I thought of disconnecting the Air Flow meter to see what happens.

In this case the car idles fine without choking, but when I try and press the accelerator pedal, it dies.
Cristian Gruber
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Friday, May 26, 2006 - 02:04 pm, by:  Cristian Gruber (Cgru2) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I tried changing the fuel filter. (What a bitch of a job!)

I cant get the thing off. I think until now Ive used half a can of WD-40. Those bolts are so tight in there, soo bloody tight.

Now I wrecked the thread on the bolts and cant even grip with a spanner.

I went bunnings and got one of those tight jaw grips ($50 cost me), but I cant even get it off with those.

I even tried to heat up the bolts with a hairdrier for about 5 minutes, but no luck.

What now?
How do I change the filter now?
Am I going to have to cut the lines, I have no idea now!

PLEASE HELP ME!
Freeman Tang
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Friday, May 26, 2006 - 07:26 pm, by:  Freeman Tang (Cobra_man) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I dont't think it is fuel related. Sounds like an electrical fault from your earlier description, eg. timing, ignition. When you suddenly open the throttle, if the timing is upset, eg. the TPS has moved even just a bit from its original position, the engine will not rev up quickly and you will feel it has a miss.

Let's see, you start it up. Cold start is fine, but 30 seconds later, as the car warms up, it will start to lean off the mixture. The ecu needs all the signals from all the vital engine sensors to determine what AF ratio. But during the first 30 seconds when the car is dead cold, if you step on the gas quickly, is it ok to rev?

OK, now Air Flow meter is checked, but make sure the wires for it is ok too. Also look at the TPS sensor's position, coolant temperature sender terminal and their wires. Also check all the ignition leads are connected properly at both ends and no damages. Their conditions are vital for the engine to rev up when you want it to.
Cristian Gruber
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UZZ31 SC400

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Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 01:05 pm, by:  Cristian Gruber (Cgru2) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I changed the fuel filter today.
Problem is still there!

Car starts, runs for 10 seconds then dies off.

I called a mobile mechanic to come and have a look.
Cristian Gruber
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Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 04:11 pm, by:  Cristian Gruber (Cgru2) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mechanic measure the fuel pump pressure and there was no fuel coming out of the return line in the engine bay, when the engine is running.

He reckons the fuel pump is gone.

I know for a fact that Toyota charges an arm and a leg for those, just wondering what other alternatives I got.

Could I suse a Commodore V8 one, and adjust the wiring to fit (or get a second hand plug from the wreckers)?
Cristian Gruber
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Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 01:55 pm, by:  Cristian Gruber (Cgru2) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I changed the fuel-pump. The problem is still there!

I also got my old furl pump pressure tested today, and its working perfect! (Anyone want to buy it?)

What the could it be?
With the engine running, I disconnected the main fuel line in the engine bay, and theres heaps of fuel going into the engine.
But amazingly there is nothing coming out of the return line(which I also disconnected).

I did the OBD and there are no faults returned!

Any more ideeas?
Neil Griffiths
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Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 04:45 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If nothing from return line... Pressure Regulator. ( No return fuel means to much fuel sitting above injectors )
Which can also cause flat spot on throttle and die.

Flat spot on throttle... Possably water in Throttle Position Switch. ( Was engine washed ? )
Cristian Gruber
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Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 07:03 pm, by:  Cristian Gruber (Cgru2) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where is the fuel pressure regulator positioned Neil?

No the engine has never been washer.
Jamie Luxton
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Friday, June 01, 2007 - 06:51 pm, by:  Jamie Luxton (Jamieb1987) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds very much like you need a new Air flow meter, i need one too, but i'll be damned if i know where to find one.
James Harris
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Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 02:27 pm, by:  James Harris (Haro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yup.. air flow meter,

had a very similar problem in one of my old Skylines...

i wasted god knows how much replacing other unrelated stuff.

I took it to the Auto Electrician and he rebuilt it and she worked all good.

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