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Rhong Hua Xie
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Monday, June 26, 2006 - 09:41 pm, by:  Rhong Hua Xie (Wm_z) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Guys,

Before I knew about Soarer Central, I have always been interested and captivated by Soarers. There is obviously something captivating about them that I am attracted to, what it is exactly I can't say and am not sure about (I'm sure many of the members of this forum shares the same sentiment as I).

Basically I have been reading all I can (still am reading and learning things about the soarer), however I am without a soarer. Actually I have been doing this for the past 6 months and still continuing as there is so much to learn, it is so fascinating and I don't want to be taken for a ride when buying a soarer.

Basically I am interested in purchasing a uzz31 with at least leather, emv and sunroof. All I am asking is merely a hand, and advice on me looking for the right soarer. My budget however is quite tight (due to my current situation being a recent graduate who is only been working full time for a year and also doing further studies while working full time, thus my scarce economic resource is fairly scarce itself), the budget is $15k (I have already made provisions for this money so if I like what I see and it all adds up I can purchase it on the spot) on road which I think for a 91-92 is doable (in fairly good condition, or am I wrong?).

I would appreciate if there is any deals or if you know anyone selling a soarer in Vic you would be able to give me a heads up as I am an interested party to purchase a soarer.

I have basically a few soarers in mind.

  • One is located by a dealer called Peter Wright, which has a 91 uzz31 v8, leather, sunroof, etc, and it is around $10,990. Does anyone know any quirks about this soarer which I should avoid?
  • Another is located in a dealer showroom called Luxury and Performance Vehicles, which has some 91 which fits what I want in a soarer which also fits my budget.
  • And finally there is one that in a dealer called Fast and Luxurious auto, they have a 91 green uzz31 which according to the dealer have had a new engine put in there.


Basically what are your thoughts on these 3 cars? Are there other cars I should be considering? In regards to S&LC, do they sell soarers? I haven't had the opportunity to call them as I just finish exam recently and been busy with work (because it piled up while I took time off for exams).

I understand if this post may come across as being lazy and opting for an easy way out, I personally assure you that is not the case. I have exhausted the little resource I can to try and get a good soarer, but obviously I am handicap and at a great disadvantage with it all. I have also rang up for insurance quotes and done the figures for running the soarer (fuel, maintenance, emergency money, upgrades <- how can we resist lol), so I do know what to a degree (of educated guess) of what I will be expected of me in owning a soarer.

Any of your help, input, feedback, experience, knowledge, etc would be sincerely and greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Rhong Hua
Mike Bradberry
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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 08:03 am, by:  Mike Bradberry (Halflife) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rhong, I don't know as many members could help you out with your choice at the dealers mentioned, but have you considered looking in the for sale section on this site?
Your budget is high enough to get yourself a decent early model in good order. As for things to look out for you should look again around this site to find your answers. Use someone you trust that knows something about Soarers to check them out. 100k service is a big one, so see if it has been done and check for that power steering pump leak, cracked vents, split vinyl and maybe look at the steering wheel wear as it is sometimes a good indicator of the real kilometres travelled.
Rhong Hua Xie
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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 08:26 am, by:  Rhong Hua Xie (Wm_z) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the reply. I have looked at the for-sale section for the past 6 months or however long I have been around this site but haven't found anything satisfactory or ones that meet what I'd like to buy.

My main problem is that I don't know anyone who is knowledgable in soarers, so this pretty much leaves me with just me and not many other option (as I don't know any good mechanics, etc). So hence why I posted for some form of assistance in the token of big or small (every little bit helps).

I have also thought about buying privately however the fear of mainly the car can be repossessed (I know you can get a title from VicRoads to say that the car is clear, but it is only exempted from 2 types of encumbrances which the title outlines, so there are other types which the title does not address and bam there goes the sweet money).

I have been reading how a 100k service should also address the power steering pump, water pump, belt, etc (which would equate to around $1200-$2000) and with the age of the car the TEMS air bag could be on its way out. I also know the top radiator tank too might go, common cracks, sagging doors, etc (actually that list of 34 or so problems in soarer is what I am trying to base my current search on) but what I am more worried about is the mechanical aspects of the car, as I have no formidable way of verifying if the car is in good/acceptable mechanical order.

However I do thank you for your time in replying to my post.

Cheers,
Rhong Hua
Jeff Smith
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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 04:50 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My 2cents.All I can say is keep looking and take along that check list(also the info you read on the forum).You will know if it's a good buy when you see it.The main things too look for is, all the electronics work IE:Dash,aircon,screen,lights and get the seller to start it up If it dosn't sound good then don't buy it.
Rhong Hua Xie
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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 07:15 pm, by:  Rhong Hua Xie (Wm_z) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your feedback. I will keep that in mind. My primary concern is mainly the soarer not being in good condition, as these cars can be costly to fix (as you all know). So I would like to get one in good working order.

I'm still keeping a lookout for soarers at the moment, I figure I waited this long any longer won't make much difference.

Cheers.
Jeff Smith
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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 07:37 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Getting one from a car yard with all things fixed is hard to find but get one of the forum and almost garentee most things have been fixed.
Khan Islam
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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 08:21 pm, by:  Khan Islam (Khan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rhong, S&L cars has some good soarers but they are asking high price. If you are buying UZZ31, be aware of the air suspension issues. They are common and pretty expensive. The best thing to take the soarer to S&L cars for a basic inspection. Talk to Albert,he knows everything about soarers. It may cost you $100, but i guess it would worth.
Lew Radbourn
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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 08:37 pm, by:  Lew Radbourn (Marlew) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rhong;
Mate when you find one see if Reepa can have a quick look at it for you
If he has time.
i have a 31 as well for sale i am in Queensland
this car has to be complied which has been booked in to do but i have run out of funds.
silver in colour
with mags with rear and side body kit.
height controller, sun roof leather.
also New Vlamos front Bushes.(new rubber ones not the hard plastic crap mate)
$13,000 ono.
fully complied and 100,000km service.
with Vic. RWC.
all you would need to do is reg
Maurice Diggler
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Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 04:22 am, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rhong: I've been to Luxury & Performance cars in Bayswater a fair few times for a look in their showroom, the guys there are quite nice and generally their cars look 100% and are at a decent price too.

I'm more cluey on the turbo soarers than the V8's but if you like, I could meet you at their showroom and can give you my opinion on certain cars, common problems, things to look for ect.

It would also be benificial to pay the money for Sports & Luxury to inspect the vehicle, they can check your air struts, water pump and timing belt condition ect.

It's up to you Rhong. Let me know.
Don Bagnall
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Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 12:45 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rhong,
The car that Lew is selling, is well priced, and a very tidy example from what I've seen in the pics of it.
It has the prerequisites that you mentioned, and is a good colour.
I would not hesitate to purchase a Soarer from Lew, as he is a Soarer fanatic, works on Soarers for a living, is an honest Trader, and perhaps more importantly is an Honorable man.

The price is $13k negotiable, which fits well with your budget of $15k, and will leave you funds with which to add those little personal touches that we all like to do to our Soarers.

I wish you well with whatever car you choose.

Nick Petkovic
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Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 04:16 pm, by:  Nick Petkovic (Naissus96) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mate, have a look at my profile. My car is for sale as well and for 15k its yours. It has 54000km on the clock and you can ask in WA section about it. I got a company car and i drive it one day a week, if that. If you are worried about the suspension i can get pedders/RAC or whoever to check it and show you the report. PM me if you are interested.
Rhong Hua Xie
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Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 08:03 pm, by:  Rhong Hua Xie (Wm_z) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow I did not expect this to generate this much response. Thanks for everyone who took the time to reply, I greatly appreciate the effort.

Jeff: Thanks again for further inputs. I remember reading what you have said on this forum somewhere, where the for sale section or cars recommended by members here, or in the for sale section would generally be MUCH better than outside the forum, which I do believe as well. I keep what you have said in mind.

Khan: Thanks for the info Khan. I presume Albert works in S&LC? If so I might have to ring him up (as they don't open weekends and I am at work during working hours).

Lew: Thanks for the offer for sale. I will shoot you off an email after I repied to everyone in this post to discuss about the car. I will keep in mind about REEPA.

Maurice: Thanks for your generosity in offering to help out. I am unsure when I will be able to arrange a meeting, or if I would arrange one, but if you don't mind I would like to keep that in mind and if we do meet I'd definitely give you plenty of notice (and there is no obligation, if in the near future you are not able to meet your initial offer no hard feelings at all mate :-) ). I have actually been to that showroom and talked to the guy. He seems genuine and honest, but there is always elements of doubt where one party has a vested interest which would benefit them when performing such business. The soarers there looks great, they don't seem too bad at a quick glance but I will definitely need to pay close attention.

Don: Thanks for the reinforcement. It certain does help in making an informed decision. I know there are certain individuals on this forum which their posting is actually worth its weight and gold, and of course by virtue I would most definitely take their post with a greater attention. I guess one of the things I'd like to do is actually see the soarer, and he is located in QLD so that might not be possible, however I will correspond with him via email and take it from there.

Nick: From your profile the car looks like. The $15k I quoted in my original post is ON ROAD, so everything to get the car to be driven on the roads. Whatever extra cost like insurance I guess will be above it, so it looks like what you would like does not meet the budget so I am sad to say sorry I would have to exclude your car from my list of preference to buy.

Tim: I am assuming you would like to offer your car for sale? Thanks for the offer but I am after the luxury the uzz31 offers, and I believe your car is a TT. By that criteria itself it rules the car out immediately, and your price is too much for what I'd like to pay for a soarer. I understand what intrinsic value each individual may place on a soarer, and the amount I have typed in my original post is what value I would like to place on a soarer.

Thanks again for all who have taken the time to reply. I will be on a lookout for soarers.
Maurice Diggler
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Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 05:06 am, by:  Maurice Diggler (Mau_rice) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rhong, no problemo buddy, if you find the time, just PM me, it's not too far from my home so I'm more than happy to come help out.

Cheers.
Nick Petkovic
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Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 12:16 pm, by:  Nick Petkovic (Naissus96) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No problem mate.
If you want to find a good one with all those things that you want, maybe you should look for a way to expand your budget a little bit.
When you get one and decide to insure it give Just Car a call. When i got mine RAC, SGIO, HBF and the rest didn't want to insure it.
Good luck mate, hope you get what you want.
Rhong Hua Xie
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Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 01:18 pm, by:  Rhong Hua Xie (Wm_z) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Nick,

Truthfully the more I read the more problems there are with these cars, and the cost of repairing them is ALOT of money (as most members of this forum should know). Also another undesirable thing about these cars is that they drink. With the fuel prices going, the cost of maintaining and keeping these cars aren't too favourable as well. As I have said to Tim, I understand that each individuals would put an intrinsic value on their soarers (and rightly so), however this is the value which I denote to be fair from my knowledge regarding soarers, however I do see your point very clearly.

With regards to insurance, I am a rating 2, with no accidents, no fines, etc. So end of this year I would be a rating 1. Only problem really is the under 25 bracket which I am in, but of course there is nothing I can do about it except wait it out. Basically I will shop around for insurance, but thanks for your good and kind wishes.

Cheers.
Khan Islam
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Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 09:25 pm, by:  Khan Islam (Khan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rhong, i agree with you in some extent. It is not as cheap as maintianing an ordinary car like falcon,corolla, civic etc but soarer will pay off that cost when you are on the road ,the comfort and the attention you get. Mate.. you only live once! Anyway...at the end of the day, it's up to you.
Matthew Sharpe
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Friday, June 30, 2006 - 06:39 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think you get a bit of a false impression from reading this site. You tend to read a lot about the problems people are having rather than how reliable the cars are.

In my experience of 5 years of Soarer ownership (on and off) they are one of the most reliable cars I have owned. Certainly when something does go wrong it can be expensive to get fixed, but I've only ever had 1 really "ouch" repair in about 100,000 km of driving Soarers, and even that was only a couple of thousand dollars. I've certainly spent a lot more money running much less satisfying cars.
Lew Radbourn
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Friday, June 30, 2006 - 07:32 am, by:  Lew Radbourn (Marlew) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well said Mathew;
considering how many people that own soarers and arn't on this site at all.
that must say some thing about there reliability.
Yes we do have a few niggles every now and then.BUT have a look at the market place and see what has been going on with other brand cars
thay are having a lot more head aches.
and with the information that we have available to use from the diehard old timers on this forum i recon we are very lucky to have them still on board.
when i first bought my car i lifted the bonnet and then closed it again walked inside and said to the wife f&*k what have i done.
then Steve Malkin introduced me to the ALSC and the rest is history.
Peter Nitschke
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Friday, June 30, 2006 - 07:57 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My one and only expensive problem was the common V8 P/S pump and alternator issue.

The rest has been because I wanted to:
Brake upgrades
Bushes
Exhaust
RSM

General maintenance - you get on any car, oils, fluids, filters, belts etc.

Being a V8 I can pretty much ignore having to budget for any repair work to the engine, transmission, diff etc unless I am really silly.

That leaves my budget free for more renewal projects eg trim etc.

As Lew says, without the club I would probably be driving around with no exhaust rumble, would have bought very expensive LCA's instead of just the bushes and be totally at the mercy of mechanics that just replace things by the book instead of fixing them. If/when I get blinki dash, I know it will only cost a pocket full of gold coins rather than a couple of thousand for a replacement from Toyota.

Am I on a winner here? I think so! :-)
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Friday, June 30, 2006 - 08:03 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was talking to a mate a couple of weeks ago, he has a Fairmont with cloudy headlights. All the Ford people (dealers and clubs) he has spoken too say that nothing can be done about it and each replacement assembly is many hundreds of dollars. Same problem that many of us have faced, except we know that we can polish the outside and even split them to clean the inside if we need to. All for pretty much no cost.

I pulled out the trusty Scratch-X and a rag and in 5 minutes had him absolutely flabbergasted with the result on his car.

Yet, he couldn't get that simple, effective and cost saving tip anywhere for his Ford.
Matthew Sharpe
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Friday, June 30, 2006 - 01:12 pm, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We have a great community here.
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Friday, June 30, 2006 - 02:14 pm, by:  Nick Petkovic (Naissus96) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Rhong Hua Xie wrote on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 01:18 pm:

Hi Nick,

Truthfully the more I read the more problems there are with these cars, and the cost of repairing them is ALOT of money (as most members of this forum should know). Also another undesirable thing about these cars is that they drink. With the fuel prices going, the cost of maintaining and keeping these cars aren't too favourable as well. As I have said to Tim, I understand that each individuals would put an intrinsic value on their soarers (and rightly so), however this is the value which I denote to be fair from my knowledge regarding soarers, however I do see your point very clearly.

With regards to insurance, I am a rating 2, with no accidents, no fines, etc. So end of this year I would be a rating 1. Only problem really is the under 25 bracket which I am in, but of course there is nothing I can do about it except wait it out. Basically I will shop around for insurance, but thanks for your good and kind wishes.

Cheers.




If this is the case mate, then go and get a Getz. You can get a brand new one for that money, they come with 5 year warranty (i don't think they'd last longer than that), cheap insurance and they are fantastic on fuel.
But if you want to drive a serious car, be ready to get your hands dirty and money will be coming out of your pocket. Don't forget that a car you want to get will probably be 15 years old so it will need some attention, and comparing to other 15 year old cars, Soarers are like brand new.
All the best
Rhong Hua Xie
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Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 10:18 am, by:  Rhong Hua Xie (Wm_z) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Guys,

It seems you all have raised very good points on all accounts. I will take them into consideration.

Khan: Mate good point. In all my life I had always been careful with my choices, and I have done great so far. I have also accounted for and made provisions for enjoyment, personal development, and future retirement (I'm sure I've made provisions on other things which are relevant, but I don't think its necessary to mention them or be too comprehensive). I have plans and aspirations and in there I have allowed for big rewards, providing the milestones is achieve (and they will, failure is no option).

Lew: I remember reading somewhere that for every problem you hear, there is a small number of positive feedback that you would hear than that of the problem itself. So I have taken that point into consideration too. Through my correspondence to one of the form members (Damien I think it is) I have mentioned I had been in 2 different actives before I was not able to shake off the feeling of the soarer. It is amazing.

Peter: I know a guy at work who has had an active for years and all he had done was the bushes and just your routine car maintenance (done with S&LC). So in effect I do know of how reliable these car is. I also know of friends who had soarers who had to do work after work on them. I am not overly fussed as this car is merely a weekend car, I don't have time to use it on the weekdays and I would be lucky to even get decent usage on the weekends (due to personal commitments like studies).

Matthew: I thank you for bringing up that point. I don't think I stressed this point enough. The community here is excellent. I have yet to find a community to be as warm and helpful as this one. I can find almost everything regarding the soarer which would be of relevant to me. This is one of the main factors which have swayed me fairly largely into buying a soarer.

Nick: If I were to get a small car, it would be a jazz and not a getz. My argument isn't so much about saving money and being a thrifty (e.g. a tight-arse) on the soarer, it is the fact that this is the demographic of consumers on the market, or the perception of it anyways (majority). It also looks like buyers will be adopting this ideology and slowly the consumer demographic would slowly turn soarers into a buyer's market (irrespective of the build quality, the features, satisfaction, etc that a soarer offers). Don't get me wrong, I definitely have more funds BUT as I mentioned in my previous post, that is MY intrinsic value on the car (and I've never forced anyone into that view, I merely stated my view and supported others on their strong believe that their car is of much better valuation). Remember all valuations of any sorts are merely for relevant semantics, but for it to be reliable, we need to realise the car into a promissory unit (e.g. money) in order for it to be an accurate and reliable measure. But each to their own, as with my experience in dealing with money, it is a very touchy subject (I should know, the field I work in is highly regulated and every penny needs to be accounted for).

Again guys thanks for the insightful posts, I greatly enjoy and appreciate in the exchange of ideas, views, knowledge, and mostly experience which have enrich my views on soarers.

Cheers.
Don Bagnall
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Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 02:01 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And I, Rhong, would like to thank you for writing in an eloquent, structured and informative manner.

It has made your posts delightful to read, and the desire to assist you in your quest for the ideal Soarer to suit your requirements, a pleasure.

Kind regards

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