Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 08:51 am, by: Kev LeLeu(Kev)
Yep, thinking about direct injection at end of the year. Gotta look into it a bit more though. We're at the end of the petrol age the price is just gonna get worse I think
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 09:14 am, by: Jeff Wilkins(Calin)
Bear in mind that the government has already said they will be putting a tax on LPG. The savings provided by LPG could well be negated as soon as they do. With the difference in fuel usage by gas, if the price of gas goes much above half that of petrol you wont really be saving anything and losing room/power.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 09:38 am, by: Graham Dollisson(Alloyvee)
I would only convert if the conversion comes with a free BBQ plate. In all honesty, how long do think it will be before lpg is over $1 a litre?? We drive cars designed to run on petrol, and the good stuff at that!! If you want a gas car, buy a falcon. They love the stuff.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 09:40 am, by: Cristian Gruber(Cgru2)
Ahh okey, well I would've thought that you dont actually lose any room because you would basically replace the petrol tank with the gas tank. Am I correct? (Unless you go dual/fuel)
Well price of LPG is about 55c/L, unless the govnmt puts a 50%+ tax on LPG, there is no way it will get anywhere close to petrol prices.
Any other Cons and Pros of this?
Graham, nobody wants a gas car ... we are just analizing the advantages and disadvatages.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 09:48 am, by: Paul Irwin(Rival)
Cristian,
Don’t do a litre to litre comparison because the mileage from gas is a lot worse. This means that you use more litres to go the same distance. Not double or anything but it is substantial, regardless you still make a saving after the difference in mileage is taken into consideration but its not the 1/3 the cost as the price would suggest.
Considering the government makes around 40c/L off our fuel currently, why don’t they just drop their taxes rather than give us a “rebate” on a fuel that they will probably be taxing 40c/L on in a year???
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 09:54 am, by: Gary Redman(Gary)
There is no doubt the government will tax gas. Can anyone believe the government will just take a drop in income. If they were prepared to do that, they would have just lowered the tax on petrol. It's the same with this big push for everyone to install watertanks at home. If we all stop using water from the authorities, they will lose income so they will just put the price of water and sewerage up to compensate. The only thing you can be sure of is that our government will always find a way for us to pay a premium for everything.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 09:58 am, by: Jeff Wilkins(Calin)
Cristian, LPG doesnt have to be as expensive as petrol to not be a viable alternative. You use a lot more LPG than you do Petrol (at least in a dual fuel setup, Ive not had a 100% gas setup).
My last car was dual fuel, it had an 80-something litre tank in it (from memory you can only use 85% of that volume or close to) and only got 350-400 kms from a tank.
Thats only just above half what I would be expecting from a petrol tank of similar volume. Whereby if LPG gets near/above the halfway price of fuel its viability is shot.
Current fuel excise - 38.143 cpl Current LPG excise - 12.5 cpl (anybody remember the pollys saying LPG would never have a tax placed on it? I do, back when it was still 8 cpl)
It was on the news the other night saying that the government is going to add a new tax to LPG, though it didnt mention when. If they double the current excise its already above half that of fuel.
Personally Id be waiting. I trust our wonderful government not in the slightest. While they get around in chauffeur driven cars with fuel cards paid for by us you can trust that they care not one iota what happens with the fuel situation here in oz.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:04 am, by: Lew Radbourn(Marlew)
100% gas is not a great idea. you will be looking for a fuel station when the tank gets to 1/4 tank every time... don't forget these cars weight is around 1.7 ton. so that is a lot of weight to push to a servo to get gas when you forgot about filling the tank. and its not like you can take your mower can down to the servo and buy 5 lts of gas to get ya going again.. rebate smee bait. the government arn't stupid guys. it will be a double edged blade. so don't get suckered in ... look at what thay did with the child rebate. here ya go ladies have a kid and we will give ya $$$$$ then when the kid turns 2 or 3 ... Go and get a job lady. so then all the day care stuff and every thing else that goes with it. and the government is rollin around laughing at them all ... GREEDY PRICKS.. the excise is going to be lifted on Gas shortly thay have been talking about that for a few years now. Dual fuel; big gas tank were fuel tank is now and a small fuel tank either in the spare wheel hole. OR move the stacker and place two small tanks on either side in the quarter panels.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:09 am, by: Peter Nitschke(Pen)
If the Government dropped the excise on Petrol, it would make zero difference as the oil companies would just up their profit margin to cover it. They have now got the public used to paying $1.50/litre, they won't let that go in a hurry.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 01:17 pm, by: Savo Reg(Savo)
I was thinking of going gas in the TT but dont know how the engine will handle gas, dont know about gas setups yet.
But was going to cut out my spare wheel mould out of my boot as the cars getting resprayed anyway and mount the gas tanks under the car (two small gas tanks).
But as you guys said gas may be isnt the way to go so may be ill leave it but $1.80L by the end of the year F the gov and oil companies.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 02:08 pm, by: David Vaughan(Davidv)
Gary Redman wrote:
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If we all stop using water from the authorities, they will lose income so they will just put the price of water and sewerage up to compensate.
That has already happened in the ACT. After there was substantial compliance with water restrictions over the previous summer, the local water authority raised prices and explicitly stated that one of its grounds was that their income had gone down because people were using less water.
Substitute petrol for water and Gary's point stands.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 02:22 pm, by: Bill Bogiatzis(Boggie23)
LPG is higher octane so theoretically it will have a higher HP. But this is not the case if the car is not tuned properly.
To get a TT on gas it will be about 4000 to be done properly. And doing it this way will give you a gain in HP. But the car needs to be converted to LPG only. And it needs to be injected not the carbie style LPG system.
So yeh. I Maybe it would have been worth it 5 years ago but now that the government is taking there steps it will be $$$$ to fill up and run. The government will never give up something for free. It wants $$$.
But anyway this is what a good LPG set up should look like.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 02:47 pm, by: Peter Nitschke(Pen)
Octane rating is not equal to power. It is actually a measure of how hard the fuel is to ignite. A higher octane rating means harder to ignite. This is useful to avoid detonation, so higher octane fuels can be run with higher compression, but the rating itself means nothing in terms of power.
From memory, LPG has about 30% less energy than petrol, but due to vaporisation it burns more efficiently and thus can come close to similar power output.
Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 02:58 pm, by: Gary Redman(Gary)
I had a dual fuel Holden 1 tonner and a dual fuel Ford F350 for towing heavy caravans. The horsepower drop when running on gas was noticable to the point that I used to switch back over to petrol when I knew a decent hill was coming up. If i hadn't had dual fuel I would have run out heaps of times because they seem to chew it pretty quickly when working hard and not many servo have it. You really have to do your sums and consider how many K's you do and where you do them.
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In all honesty, how long do think it will be before lpg is over $1 a litre?? We drive cars designed to run on petrol, and the good stuff at that!! If you want a gas car, buy a falcon. They love the stuff.
... we are just analizing the advantages and disadvatages.
