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Mike Beck
DieHard
Ellerslie
Rafaga CS Inline-5

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Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 10:23 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Constantly I keep on thinking which is the better buy, A V8 Soarer 1991-1994 or a I6 Soarer 1994-1997. So though about comparing their main good points and bad points…

Starting with the v8 (4.0GT/Limited):
>Pros:
- A V8
- Have plenty of features, Electric seats, TEMS, scroll info dash etc...
- Plenty of power and torque standard

>Cons
- Age, most are 1991-1992. The odd 1993 models pop up and very rarely a 1994. This means they are showing signs of wearing out and require more maintenance
- Being a v8 these days and driving around town make them an expensive car to run.
- Allot are not looked after very well so it can be hard to find one in a decent condition.



Now on to the I6:
>Pros
- Made from 1994+ Means Most have lower KMS and are in better condition than the older v8s
- Fantastic 2jz-ge motor found in the supra/aristo. Even better with VVTi in the late 1996 soarers.
- Lighter than most of the other soarers.
- Not great but better on gas than the v8
- Obviously require less replacement parts than some of the early models.
- Since they are classified as the 'boring' Soarer models they can be relatively cheap.
- Perhaps more original buying one of these than the v8.

Cons
- Need a few modifications to bring their performance up to the v8 standard.
- Rather low on features compared to the v8

So what do you guys think is the really better overall car for general trouble free driving? From my points above I think the 3.0GT is probably the better all round car mainly due to the lower age of them and slightly more economical motor.
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla

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Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:00 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Out of those two? v8
If the jz30 was a choice i'd take that.

v8 mainly because it is easier to find a more luxurious specced model than the jz31, which is why i would pick one of the na models.

Plus, more potential in terms of performance when you add a charger... plus that v8 sound is hot with the right exhaust.
Justin Hughes
DieHard
VIC
TT

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Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:01 pm, by:  Justin Hughes (Juzza) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you aint interested in a TT then the choice is easy ...

- Full Luxury EMV howyougoing UZZ-32 Action !!! Nothing Beats the V8 Burble PLUS all the Gadgets !!!!
Greg Nikitiuk
DieHard
Vic
supercharged

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Monday, August 21, 2006 - 12:05 am, by:  Greg Nikitiuk (Jestr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mike.

Juzza knows....
here is how
http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/285/87867.html?1154952884
Graham Dollisson
DieHard
QLD
I have more Leylands than Don

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Monday, August 21, 2006 - 06:52 am, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If I was looking for another Soarer, I would go for the VVTI JZZ31. Mainly because of the fact I have "done the turbo thing already", and all your points above. The "Rather low on features compared to the v8" could be an advantage, as there is less things to go wrong. BUT....it is true that you just can't beat the burble of a V8. I heard one at the McDonalds at Marsden, the other day. It just burbled past...
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Monday, August 21, 2006 - 07:15 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The problem Mike has is that good V8's (and TT's for that matter) are scarce as hens teeth in NZ, whereas JZZ31's are actually around (a total of 6 for sale on Autotrader.co.nz last time I checked) and there are a few 1997+ models to look at too.

Mike, if you do decide on a V8, you should seriously look at importing one yourself or getting an importer to find a late model one for you... might not cost as much as you think. Honestly I haven't seen one I'd want to own around Auckland for ages.
Darryn Dewar
TryHard
Gisborne
UZZ30 Soarer

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Monday, August 21, 2006 - 08:03 am, by:  Darryn Dewar (Mrphreak) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I disagree, there are plenty of good V8's and TT's around, but the rubbish ones have absolutely shafted the market so most people aren't actively trying to sell them (Especially when the majority of people won't pay more than $5k for one since that's what they can get one for on TM)

Moral of the Story.....Buy this
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Toyota/auction-67456443.htm
Graham Dollisson
DieHard
QLD
I have more Leylands than Don

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Monday, August 21, 2006 - 08:22 am, by:  Graham Dollisson (Alloyvee) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like what he's written at the bottom of the listing..... "with traction controller and factory LSD,
standard 280hps 5 speed manual, could be high class drifting project."
Just imagine ripping a beautiful car apart, like that, to make a drift pig out of it!!
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 Ltd manual

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Monday, August 21, 2006 - 08:36 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks to me like Mike has considered the performance and comfort advantages of the V8 and is still thinking an il6 may be more practical. The question therefore becomes "will he be disappointed with the il6 instead of the V8?" I think probably not. Look at Khan's thread
http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/285/92413.html?1156081264#POST124673
where he traded from a V8, [Edit: Whoops! You already have.] or comments by Sam Schreck and other JZZ31 3ltr owners. Still a good Soarer
Mike Triggs
DieHard
Norfolk Island
3.0GT G-Pack

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Monday, August 21, 2006 - 09:59 am, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

While I haven't owned a Soarer V8 (with what I consider to be one of the best V8s ever made) I have owned other V8s, and it's true you can't beat the sound. We have both VVTi and non-VVTi Soarers and in some ways I prefer the older one's engine for some reason, it feels sportier. We don't get much chance to "let 'er rip" here though. The newer car uses less fuel. On the basis of comparison with our Subaru (which spent time here as well as the wide open western plains of NSW) I'd expect 11 km/l or better out of the VVTi in cruise mode.

The '97 doesn't lack for features, as it's G-Pack. Personally I don't think electric seats are that big a deal but they are nice. I can live without TEMS and airbag suspension, many cars with airbags need them replaced in time and it's neither cheap nor all that easy.

As for the EMV screen which comes with many V8s but not 6s, these seem to be more of a liability than an asset, although they can be fixed and with money, it seems things can be done with them to make them work better.

As for looks, they look pretty much the same ( well, a late model 6 has the upgrade body and looks better than any stock V8!) and 9/10 people wouldn't know one was V8 or 6 in the same year/body.
Mike Triggs
DieHard
Norfolk Island
3.0GT G-Pack

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Monday, August 21, 2006 - 10:15 am, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As for the scroll info dash, there are a couple of features (trip computer) I'd like and miss on the VVTi. The upside is they don't get "blinky dash" because they don't have the fluoro light to break down. I hope to get a "ScanGaugeII" soon, which plugs into the OBDII port (not present on the '95 model), this functions as a trouble code reader. reset as well as a trip computer and electronic gauge.
Sam Schreck
Goo Roo
ACT
vvt-i JZZ31

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 06:36 pm, by:  Sam Schreck (Schreck300) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This one wins... Soooo tempting.

http://www.prestigemotorsport.com.au/modules/stock/index.php?StockID=4075
Peter Burrett
TryHard
ACT
2.5 VVTi ST

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 06:59 pm, by:  Peter Burrett (Burrett) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The answer to this question is well known; it is "my car", and this is always correct
Peter Burrett
TryHard
ACT
2.5 VVTi ST

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 07:04 pm, by:  Peter Burrett (Burrett) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

and Sam, I didn't know that you were into barges? Have you got a Master Mariner's licence? Look at the TIF forum home page and compare the beauty of the Series 3 with the @!3#$@#2 awful shape of the 430.... they may have upped the goodies, but they lost the aesthetic plot entirely IMHO (Oh, OK, IMO, forget the humble)
Greg Nikitiuk
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Vic
supercharged

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 07:05 pm, by:  Greg Nikitiuk (Jestr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sam.
Don't bother, your soarer is nicer
Mike Beck
DieHard
Ellerslie
Rafaga CS Inline-5

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 08:21 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One of the real key factors between these cars is simply the engine. (Disregarding the different power output figures) Well at the end of the day, 4.0GTs and Limited models are actually V8s! Not only do they sound like heaven, they run like a dream and it really surprises people when you tell them it’s a v8 – When I showed my past one to friends that had no idea about this car it was really quite fun to see their surprised reactions! :-)

The 3.0GTS obviously have the fantastic Straight 6.. However whenever I think about them I tend to feel they just lack that something which the v8 has.….. I suppose that something they lack is not having that superb v8 exhaust tone and they perhaps are a bit dull when you say ‘its a 3 Litre 6’, people predict a car like this to have so they don’t sort of go, 'oh wow, I didn’t know Toyota made v8s!' That’s what I got mostly, ‘Oh is it a v6?’ every time....

Very minor things but they all count!
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 07:07 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Then you open the bonnet and show them the long straight 6... it looks like a big motor so they are still impressed
Mike Beck
DieHard
Ellerslie
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Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 02:07 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Your not wrong, When I saw your 2jz motor I was actually surprised at how long it is. Very nice unit. I find they are much more apealling than a v6 which tend look rather compact and boring in some cases, plus theres not alot of straight six motors out there, mostly the 6 cylinders are v6s!
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Friday, August 25, 2006 - 06:44 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think you are definitely hooked on the V8 though, so you should probably stick to it. If you look long enough, something good will come up. I guess the problem is being ready to buy it when its there...

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