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Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT

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Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 07:15 am, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Werd....I actually though bhp was some kind of at the wheels measurement but it's not according to good old Wiki. Interesting...it's no surprise that manufacturers use it, sounds much better to quote a much larger figure. Oh and you don't have to do R&D on any pesky things like driveline efficiency hehe.
Leon Wright
TryHard
WA
V8 UZZ31

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Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 10:43 am, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I stand corrected!

Guess it all got lost in the translation, i live in a world constantly between horsepower and kilowatts!!!

You know I actually read that wiki the other day to explain torque and horsepower to one of my friends

I guess i can't always be wright...
Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT

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Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 11:26 am, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Boom boom!
Paul Brockbank
DieHard
WA
Soarer TT

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Friday, October 06, 2006 - 12:27 am, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Update, finally bought a Pod Filter *GASP* look out! haha

Jash has got a pretty good shop going in Welshpool, Tilly Pl. Called 'Air Filter Supplies WA'.

Picked up a 4" inlet K+N pod filter with clamp for $92.50.

Having said that, considering the stock air box is good for 300rwhp and 12's, I wouldn't have even bought one if it wasn't for the fact my turbo needs a 4" inlet...
John Tibbs
TryHard
WA
JZA70 R (BLMQZ)

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Friday, October 06, 2006 - 02:59 am, by:  John Tibbs (Zombie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

aren't k+n filters supposed to be bad on their filtration properties, eg yes they flow lots of air but they also don't stop much dirt at all?
Daniel Czechowski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
Soarer GT-T

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Friday, October 06, 2006 - 10:19 am, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haha, it's always a compromise, if a filter flows well, then it filters crap, and vice versa...
Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT

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Friday, October 06, 2006 - 10:47 am, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Unless you have the Apexi which does both well. :-)
Leon Wright
TryHard
WA
V8 UZZ31

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Friday, October 06, 2006 - 10:49 am, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One argument i've always heard about pod filters is that they sound awesome, but draw hot air in from the engine bay?

Is that something thought about often or is the performance hit with warm air not an issue or am i barking at a tree thats already dead? *woof woof*

I am intrigued to know some opinions for when it comes time to do intake mods on my car.
Daniel Czechowski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
Soarer GT-T

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Friday, October 06, 2006 - 11:09 am, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would enclose the pod, do like a cold air box around it, so it only draws cold air from the outside...
Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT

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Friday, October 06, 2006 - 11:22 am, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah some ducting works well, I personally don't have anything so I do not expect the pod makes a difference on the road but on the track when I pull the headlight out it should be of benefit.
Daniel Clarke
DieHard
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Friday, October 06, 2006 - 12:00 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Guys, Seriously consider one of these. When my money alows, Im going to grab one.

http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/126/104050.html?1160056721

Looks awsome in the engine bay i reckon. And has shown power gains on dyno's. It has been flow tested and designed for maximum airflow for your POD filter.
Paul Brockbank
DieHard
WA
Soarer TT

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Friday, October 06, 2006 - 12:22 pm, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep that is what I'd suggest you use if you have stock Turbos.

Either that or just use the BFI mod with a K+N panel filter, seems to give enough HP.

Pod filters (when not sealed off) will breath in a lot of hot air, I'm not really concerned, my gearbox probably wont handle the power of a GT35R at 18psi anyways, so the less power the better at the moment haha

As for filtration, the K+N is a lot better than others I was considering (HKS for example), everyone I know recommends them for value for money.
Daniel Clarke
DieHard
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Friday, October 06, 2006 - 12:28 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will take my BFI box to the track next time for 1 or 2 runs. Compare it to my POD filter(which is just a cheap $25 filter... BUT ITS BLUE:-) )

Will be interesting to see. Times and MPH wise that is.
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla

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Friday, October 06, 2006 - 07:55 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You just want to stop the thing from sucking in hot air, a well heat-adjusted plastic bag should do it! =P

BHP can be 'guestimated' by working out the ratios of the drive train and and applying bogus equations.

Its pretty common in Europe from what i hear to get a dyno read out at the wheels and recalculate the power so you can get a bigger figure =P
Paul Brockbank
DieHard
WA
Soarer TT

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Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 03:24 pm, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well...


Already run into my first problem.

Manifold doesn't fit properly. The wastegate outlet does not clear the chassis rail. I've got the choice of getting the other type of manifold off Dylan (straight swap of course) or modifying this manifold to fit.
I think I'll be doing the latter as I've already had this manifold faced and had a T3 flange welded onto it. Either way it's going to add another 100-200 onto my bill... ohh woopie!
Paul Brockbank
DieHard
WA
Soarer TT

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Monday, October 09, 2006 - 02:17 am, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, little did I know but there are actually 3 variations of china-spec single turbo manifolds for 1JZ's.

I believe they are copies of the different brand name Japanese manifolds (ie. one is a HKS copy, other is a Trust copy etc etc).

Here is what the 3 look like:

This is the manifold I've decided to use. It's a T3 manifold, with single wastegate feed, and is definitely much more suited to a Soarer engine bay. It also faces the turbo directly forward, which makes for easy fabrication of the dump/front pipes.

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This is a compact manifold, no idea what model it's for, but it can be used for a JZZ30. The only reason I'm not using this one is because it's a T4 flange (don't want to have to mess around again with getting flanges welded) and it also sits the GT35R too far towards the passenger side of the car for my liking. After dummy fitting it, the 35R sat way too close to the block.

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This is the large split pulse T4 manifold with a twin wastegate feed. This WILL NOT fit in a JZZ30 engine bay as it the wastegate feed wont clear the chassis rail. I believe it was either designed for a JZX90 or JZA70. Either way, it wasn't designed for a JZZ30 that's for sure.

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So this is how the GT3582R sits in the bay as of tonight:

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I'll keep you all updated on the progress.
Adam Barry
TryHard
WA
UZZ30

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Monday, October 09, 2006 - 06:21 am, by:  Adam Barry (Acdchook) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It could just be the angle of the picture, but it sure looks like the outlet of the front snail is VERY close to that suspension tower. How much clearance will you end up with once the intercooler piping is in place?
Simon Triantafillou
DieHard
NSW
Soarer Turbo

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Monday, October 09, 2006 - 08:32 am, by:  Simon Triantafillou (Soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks similar to my setup (although 2J makes for even less room). Rotate the front housing about 30 degrees anti-clockwise according to your photo, use a 90 degree silicon bend on the outlet, and you shouldn't have too many issues.
Lew Radbourn
Goo Roo
Queensland
jzz30 ute / uzz30/ 2 X uzz31

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Monday, October 09, 2006 - 12:25 pm, by:  Lew Radbourn (Marlew) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul
as simon said above mate turn the compressor housing anti clockwise
the 90Deg silicon will just miss the rail and the bracket with the 2 bolts in it on top of the rail.
you can also cut and shut stainless around in that area to stop any bulging in the silicon pipe
and just use a small straight section on silicon
BUT there is a little bit of muckin around to get the pipe in there.

I think i did simons like that when we fitted his motor in a couple of years back.
Paul Brockbank
DieHard
WA
Soarer TT

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Monday, October 09, 2006 - 12:44 pm, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep cheers guys thats exactly what we are going to do.

We're just going to rotate the compressor housing and plumb the outlet under the intake pipe, and connect it up with the existing IC piping there.

Wastegate feed is getting braced to the manifold, and a V-Band flange welded on, plus a screamer welded to the v-band on the gate. That manifold now has to be sent off to get faced.

Dump pipe, intake pipe, and outlet pipe are all getting fabricated as we speak.

Unfortunately the manifold will be sitting in the shop for about a week getting faced, so thats going to delay things.

I'm hoping I'll have it all back and running by mid next week.
Daniel Clarke
DieHard
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Monday, October 09, 2006 - 04:15 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks TUFF mate. BIg SNail TOO.. Might wanna get some Pellets to get rid of that..

Oh wait.. You need it, Hehe:-)
Shane Ilich
Goo Roo
W.A.
Manual Single T

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Monday, October 09, 2006 - 04:18 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Should fit fine.



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Daniel Clarke
DieHard
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder

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Monday, October 09, 2006 - 05:13 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Damn thats a nice looking set up also... WHat kinda Power is that pushing Shane? Have you ran it over the 1/4 at all?
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla

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Monday, October 09, 2006 - 06:27 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Your poor seats Brockas! ='(

Things are really shaping up. Shame about the silly colour on your coil pack cover! ;)
Shane Ilich
Goo Roo
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Manual Single T

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Monday, October 09, 2006 - 07:17 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Daniel Clarke wrote on Monday, October 09, 2006 - 05:13 pm:

Damn thats a nice looking set up also... WHat kinda Power is that pushing Shane? Have you ran it over the 1/4 at all?




Cheers Damian

It's still kind of a work in progress - final tune with 680's, Power FC and Blitz DSBC Spec R is happening on the 19th of this month. Going to push it up around 18psi, see what that yields. It's only a GT30R, but hoping for around 380rwhp.

Havent taken it to the drags yet - trap speed will probably be the best indication of her true potential, as being manual, and me not being hugely into the drags, I'm bound to have carp 60' times.

Looking forward to giving it a belting out on the track though.

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