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Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
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Daniel, while I am all for a good debate, let's keep the personal attacks and rude remarks out of it.
Please edit your post so you don't come across as such a twinkie. |
Daniel Czechowski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
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Oh, and also there would have been a lot less US, Canadian and UK troops landing in Normandy if U-boats were still around... U-boats had ultimate superiority in the seas before Enigma was cracked. All those thousands of things that have been done in the past prior to that, not only by just the Polish troops, but also the other European countries, meant the Normandy landing was possible. It's a cumulative effort on behalf of everyone, you can't just isolate one event and say that was the sole reason the war was won!
Geez, so much explaining required to state the obvious... |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 Ltd manual
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The Poles were cracking military Enigma nearly ten years before they disclosed their capability to the British and French who to that point could manage only the less secure commercial Enigma. However, Enigma cracking was a changing process as the Germans introduced more steckering and more wheels, changing the problems and also rendering useless some of the Polish techniques. Also, the "bomb" used by the Poles was a functionally different device (targetting a different aspect of the cipher machine) from the "bombe" used by Turing et al. Turing and his cohort went on to break naval, which was stronger than the army enigma first broken by the Poles.
It would not be correct to take the impression that the work was done in Poland before the war and simply used elsewhere.
Don't argue with Daniel's last line about joint effort. |
Daniel Czechowski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
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Ok I'll edit the post give me a sec, but I found Sam's post heading down the ofensive and sarcastic path too with the homosexuality and other stuff she's written up there too... |
Daniel Czechowski
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Western Australia
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Samantha Hornby wrote on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 01:12 pm:No need to be an asshole about it Dan, it just started as a lighthearted joke. And I'll thank you not to make assumptions about my intelligence. Now let it go.
My apologies Sam, didn't mean to offend you in any way, just got a bit carried away that's all  Sorry about that... I've edited my post. |
Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT
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Reg: 07-2005
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I reckon it's great that in a thread titled "Newbie in perth saying hello" we have got on to a discussion about the finer details of World War Two.
WA FTW! |
Samantha Hornby
DieHard
WA
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I simply stated that the Germans targeted homosexuals, AS WELL AS Jews, cripples etc. I didn't mean that Poland is full of homosexuals?! And by the way, I know that Judaism is a world wide religion, and that they don't "just come from Poland"...but the conversation was about the German occupation of Poland, no? |
Daniel Czechowski
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Western Australia
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Hehe to me it looked like the Germans pretty much targeted everyone that is not German haha. But yeah they did do a fair bit of ethnic cleansing...
I can't recall how long Poland was occupied for, I think at one point in time it was wiped off the map completely for a while... but yeah, it did cop a lot from the Nazis for sure.
Just coming back to the first invasion of Poland, my mum's dad (so my grandpa) had all his siblings killed on that night. They lived near the border, he was only a few years old, and he hid away somewhere when they came. But the Nazis took the entire family, his mum, dad, brothers and sisters (he's had 8 siblings, they bred like rabbits back then), lined them up against a wall and shot them all. My grandad was found a day later by another family member... so yeah, there would be no Daniel now if he didn't survive 
Hehe Luke, WA = Off-topic central!!! |
Don Bagnall
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New Zealand
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Daniel Czechowski wrote on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 01:42 pm:so yeah, there would be no Daniel now if he didn't survive
And Australia, AND Soarer Central would be the poorer for it. |
Daniel Czechowski
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Western Australia
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Amen!  |
Don Bagnall
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David Vaughan
Goo Roo
ACT
V8 Ltd manual
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Poland was wiped off the map from 1795 to 1921 quite apart from whatever happened during WWII. It is a highly invadable country, without natural defences. In an odd bit of happenstance, my wife's mother was born in Poland the year after it was created officially and taken from it (for factory labour) in the year it was abolished again. The odd part is that the part of Poland from which she came was at virtually all other times in history, including today, part of Ukraine. Poland happened to rule it (thanks to post-WWI adjustments) just for the seventeen years she lived there, making her "Polish", something to which the old woman clung tenaciously rather than be associated with Russians. |
Don Bagnall
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VERY interesting David...............I must confess to being a WWII aficianado, but I was unaware of THAT particular piece of information.......Thank you  . |
Shane Ilich
Goo Roo
W.A.
Manual Single T
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Reg: 07-2005
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I've only half-read a lot of the more recent posts in this thread, and for some reason, I kept thinking to this particular Monty Python scene from "Life of Brian" -
REG: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.
LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.
REG: Yeah.
LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.
REG: Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!
XERXES: The aquaduct?
REG: What?
XERXES: The aquaduct
REG: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.
COMMANDO #3: And the sanitation.
LORETTA: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?
REG: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.
MATTHIAS: And the roads.
REG: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--
COMMANDO: Irrigation.
XERXES: Medicine.
COMMANDOS: Huh? Heh? Huh...
COMMANDO #2: Education.
COMMANDOS: Ohh...
REG: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.
COMMANDO #1: And the wine.
COMMANDOS: Oh, yes. Yeah...
FRANCIS: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh.
COMMANDO: Public baths.
LORETTA: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.
FRANCIS: Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.
COMMANDOS: Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.
REG: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
XERXES: Brought peace.
REG: Oh. Peace? Shut up! |
Shane Ilich
Goo Roo
W.A.
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Reg: 07-2005
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Gary Chasney - welcome to the wonderful world of the WA chapter of the ALSC - where "off topic" is an almost permanent way of life  |
Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT
Posts: 1488
Reg: 07-2005
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Uh oh we're descending into nerdy territory when we start quoting Monty Python.
Must....not....quote....arrogant....Frenchman.... |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 1885
Reg: 09-2005
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I'm a homosexual. |
Alfred Heng
TryHard
WA
V8 GT Limited
Posts: 389
Reg: 02-2006
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Callum, you trying to re assure the guys here, that, their sister's virtue would be safe if you dated them?  |
Phil Gibson
DieHard
WA
'94 black/black UZZ31
Posts: 706
Reg: 07-2005
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*imagines Callum dating either of his sisters.... oh dear, poor Callum hahahahahah* |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 1894
Reg: 09-2005
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Hahah, Phil. |
Paul Brockbank
DieHard
WA
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Reg: 07-2005
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Callum Finch wrote on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 07:55 pm:I'm a homosexual.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/nicepost.gif |
Don Bagnall
Moderator
New Zealand
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Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 1904
Reg: 09-2005
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HAHAAH Paul. |
Gary Chasney
Tinkerer
western australia
GT-L 4.0V8
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Reg: 09-2006
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i started this thread saying hello and its turned into monty python and poland!!
makes my night shifts fly by reading these posts, keep it up, oh and i still say
GO THE POMS!! |
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
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As in "Go away"? |
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