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Joshua Rao
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Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 07:56 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No matter what you say, I'm still voting no. You have your views of which I respect and I have my views, neither of which will change.
Daniel Czechowski
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Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 07:59 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Joshua Rao wrote on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 07:56 pm:

No matter what you say, I'm still voting no. You have your views of which I respect and I have my views, neither of which will change.




Sorry, I've just scrolled all the way up, and I can't see your prior posts about this anywhere. What are your views Josh?
Joshua Rao
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Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 08:16 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Leon Wright wrote on Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 11:30 am:

How can a clock change affect ones sleep patterns??




I believe this comment was incited by what I said in the spotted thread a while back.


Joshua Rao wrote on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 10:48 pm:

Being a DJ I have an awesome sleeping pattern problem and daylight saving does nothing for it.



http://soarercentral.com/sc-forum/messages/287/11484.html?1194857094

Correct Leon?

All I'm saying Daniel is I can acknowledge the benefit of others and yourself however I think it affects each person's respective life differently so we are all going to have different opinuns of it.
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Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 08:28 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

May I note that not one of the people who said either that they objected to DS or that DS did nothing for them has relied in any respect on any of the silly reasons which pro-DS people keep mentioning as if that represented the opposition. Joshua's last point is correct.
Daniel Czechowski
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Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 08:46 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ah ok, what hours do you work Josh? I would have thought you work till really late right? Wouldn't it be in your favour then for sunrise to come out later in the morning so you might get a bit more sleep in the dark still?



David Vaughan wrote on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 08:28 pm:

May I note that not one of the people who said either that they objected to DS or that DS did nothing for them has relied in any respect on any of the silly reasons which pro-DS people keep mentioning as if that represented the opposition. Joshua's last point is correct.




ROFL!!!

Not living in WA I guess we can excuse your ignorance of those funny anti-DLS reasons David :-) Last year when DLS trial first started, understandibly there was both joy and outrage from various people. I can't remember who exactly said it and when, but there was a discussion among various people (a rather serious one I might add) somewhere about pros and cons of DLS, and one anti-DLS person thought curtains will fade due to more sunlight. That was her basis for being against DLS. Then there was another genius, from the country, saying that his cows will be confused and won't give any milk because of DLS, hence why he does not like it either.
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Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 08:53 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Daniel I was talking about contributors to this thread, not about anyone else. However, the listed fanciful reasons are exactly those offered in Eastern States when it was introduced years ago, so either fools are equally distributed across the country or the purported objections are urban myths. The former is probably true.
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Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 09:00 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I know none of the anti-DLS people here on SC have mentioned those silly reasons against DLS, I think it's obvious now that it's utter bullcrap. We just like making fun of the initial anti-DLS logic that's all :-)

Oh, and are you serious?? Did you get confused cows and fading curtains as reasons against over in the east as well? HAHAHAA. Yeah, same fools everywhere for sure!
Callum Finch
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 10:59 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why does everyone have to think the same way as you, Daniel?

I think what Joshua said was fair and he doesnt need to justify it one bit.

At the end of the day we all have our own opinions an reasoning.
Personally i dont think having the ability to go to the beach after work is a good reason for keeping it in effect, however thats because going to the beach is a frivolous exercise in my life and i have other things to do with my time.
We all have our own opinions and contrary to what some may think none of the opinions are "right" or "wrong".
Leon Wright
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:46 am, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Callum Finch wrote on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 10:59 am:

I think what Joshua said was fair and he doesnt need to justify it one bit.


Indeed Josh made a fair point. Not arguing against Josh at all, just the idiots and the fud.

Aside from that, If the majority of people were Dj's then yes DS would be bad for the community overall, but we're not. DS has a great benefit for the Majority of the community and I'm just sick and tired of bullshit fear mongering that the media likes to hype up. And the gullible community lap it up because some "scientist" (I use that term very loosely) said so.

This thread was not intended to be a your wrong, I'm right thread, but to breed some intelligent discussion amongst us and maybe open our eyes to how society is behaving in the face of change.
Adam Peterson
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:48 am, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like people still prefer to go to work at midday during the summer months..
Leon Wright
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:51 am, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Joshua Rao wrote on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 08:16 pm:

I believe this comment was incited by what I said in the spotted thread a while back.


I am still firm in my belief that a clock change makes insignificant difference to our sleep patterns overall. Yes in the beginning, but our bodies are designed in a way that they are able to cope with change. If the 1 hour clock change screws you up for the entire summer, it's a fictional problem in your head, not in your bodies natural body clock.

Now that may sound a bit harsh, but sometimes I think society needs to harden up a little. A bit of tough love is needed.
Jarrad Zen
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:30 pm, by:  Jarrad Zen (White95twins) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am enjoying the banter.

I am from Perth, live in Sydney now (has DLS), have lived in Austria (has DLS) and the UK (has DLS).

Daylight Saving work wells everywhere else in the world - with a small minority that keep up their complaints in each country.

Their complaints are probably justified - at least from their POV.

However, in the end - it becomes a 'greater good' argument. More people benefit from DLS than dont. Some adjustment is necessary, but that is overcome over time.

'Cows and Curtains' still remains a very funny argument.
Leon Wright
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:42 pm, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Jarrad Zen wrote on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:30 pm:


'Cows and Curtains' still remains a very funny argument.


I nearly drove off the road hearing some "scientist" talking about the curtains fading and then cows...
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:53 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Callum Finch wrote on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 10:59 am:

I think what Joshua said was fair and he doesnt need to justify it one bit.




I'm just curious how DLS disrupts Josh's sleeping pattern that's all. I'm not asking him to justify it, just want to know how it does so. The whole point of a discussion is to discuss things, and not say one sentence without elaborating. I'm not having a stab at Josh, I would just like to hear the reasons from the other side at a greater detail, to try to understand it from their point of view.
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:57 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Leon Wright wrote on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:42 pm:

I nearly drove off the road hearing some "scientist" talking about the curtains fading and then cows...




Hence why I'm interested in real reasons from real people as to why they are against it, not from some fabricated bullcrap by self-appointed "scientists" so obsessively against DLS that they are gonna say anything, even if it's so blatantly stupid.
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 01:28 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What was the name of the "scientist" who said that and for which institution did he or she work?
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 01:39 pm, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 01:28 pm:

What was the name of the "scientist" who said that and for which institution did he or she work?


That I have tried to find out, but generally information is lacking in the news. Hence why I was using the term loosely. Statements like these have frequented commercial radio and television news reports.
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 01:45 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I remember there was a news report on the news.com.au site mentioning it was a scientist that did his own research... try to find the link to the article will be tricky... Most likely he/she worked for the anti-DLS lobby lol!
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 02:47 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I found a "Miss Sunshine of Traralgon, Vic" who thought they might fade but the chosen nickname and bland opinion make it as likely they were trolling. The only academic to comment attributed the silly arguments to Joh Bjelke-Petersen. Attractively plausible, but also false I think. It was first attributed to his supporters which itself may have been only a political statement about him.

I am making the point that an awful lot of argument goes into knocking straw men both on here and in the media opinions, yet few people can be found to claim the sillier comments and certainly no-one who is a "scientist" has been produced.

According to one poster on a News site, a politician in WA asked when the 6 o'clock news would be on. I have no idea whether that is true.

I am not saying that people do not believe weird things. Many years ago, a girlfriend decided that we were sufficiently close that she could safely ask me a question she has asked no-one else. "When there is no plug in the power point, and you turn it on, why does the electricity not leak out over the floor?"
She was intelligent enough, but physics was a foreign land to her, so at least she asked
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 03:57 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bwa hahahahahahaaha leaking electricity on the floor
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 04:07 pm, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With the right amount of dust and humidity it is plausible. That's why we have earths and earth leakage detectors, because in fact electricity can leak under the right conditions.

From the dictionary:

leak:
Electricity. the loss of current from a conductor, usually resulting from poor insulation.

But now I'm just being a facetious smart ass
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 07:12 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the cows theory has some merit, however you are stuck with the problem no matter what timezone you are in (ie, daylight savings on or not).

Cows will most likely work off a routine like any other animal, however this routine is more likely to be based off the sun rather than a clock. How many cows do you see walking around with watches? ;)
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 07:34 pm, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For cow farmers it is a matter of changing the times they milk the cows. I am sure the milk collection companies would be accommodating.

I've actually found myself getting up earlier with daylight saving, go figure haha.
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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 10:07 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Im confused.

Does that mean milk will go off quicker now that we have Daylight savings ?
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Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 01:25 am, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Callum Finch wrote on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 07:12 pm:

I think the cows theory has some merit, however you are stuck with the problem no matter what timezone you are in (ie, daylight savings on or not).

Cows will most likely work off a routine like any other animal, however this routine is more likely to be based off the sun rather than a clock. How many cows do you see walking around with watches? ;)




No merit at all, as per your last paragraph :-)

If they gotta go, they gotta go. SUn rises, they wake up, they get milked. Farmers tend to work around their cow's schedule rather than the clock itself anyway.

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