Soarer Central: Archive through January 03, 2008

Soarer Central Events, Cruises, Dyno and Track Days. WA Events What did you get for christmas? Archive through January 03, 2008

Previous Next

Author

Message

Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops

Posts: 1042
Reg: 08-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 10:18 am, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

Why does it go downhill? People regularly change careers. What are you saying when they ask why the change?

Seb Derham
Tinkerer
WA
GT V8

Posts: 11
Reg: 11-2007

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 10:54 am, by: Seb Derham (Sebatron)

Steph are you still wanting to do health related work?
Look on Seek.com under mining oil and gas and then health and safety... Good jobs going as an on-site nurse/medic! Pay is great too...

Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8

Posts: 8646
Reg: 11-2004

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 04:53 pm, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

Too many different jobs on a resume can look like you will leave as soon as they get you settled in.

Though in some public service areas, it's seen as a "good thing". One person I knew, was proud of having had 8 different positions within 18 months.

To me, it meant they were either all trying to move her out, or she should have had "hit and run" as a qualification.

Stephanie Loftus
Tinkerer
WA
UZZ30 soarer

Posts: 36
Reg: 11-2007

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 05:59 pm, by: Stephanie Loftus (Spectre)

associate diploma health science (enrolled nursing)
bachelor of nursing
graduate certificate of acute care nursing critical care stream
(thats the major ones, i have minor qualifications too)

apparently i have to be 50 to have all those

my resume doesn't say any place i've worked for because i move around to different hospitals for my job so i only list areas.

its my qualifications that gets me in trouble, and i spent 6 years full time at uni and tafe getting those so i dont exactly plan on leaving them out.

and i say i just want a change and a more regular routine

seb - i used to fly around australia for a living working in lots of different places, made me lots of money, was fun, worked my arse off, and then my current man flew to tasmania to ask me out and brought me home to stay in perth, so yeah i know about the mining jobs, i've done them, i'm trying to get a normal office job like all the other lemmings

Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8

Posts: 8648
Reg: 11-2004

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 06:14 pm, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

Far out, they should be jumping to have you with those qualifications!

Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops

Posts: 1043
Reg: 08-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 06:23 pm, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

You're going to need to list some places you've worked, and you'll need references. Must have. I would never employ someone who couldn't tell me exactly where they have worked.. because I will find someone who works there or has worked there and ask them about the candidate. Absolute must have.

Stephanie Loftus
Tinkerer
WA
UZZ30 soarer

Posts: 37
Reg: 11-2007

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 10:11 pm, by: Stephanie Loftus (Spectre)

how long you got?
i have worked in 4 states in the last 2 years at more than 50 different facilities. I have some impeccable references. But due to the nature of my work, its stupidly complex to write out all the places i've worked. I started during a job interview once and about 20 names later they realised that my resume is set up the way it is for a reason.

i'm an agency nurse, 1 day i'm running a hospital in the middle of nowhere, the next i work in ICU, after that i'm in a psych ward taking care of some of the most violent people in perth (that would of been today actually).

i list the companies I have worked for, and I give references from some of the more important facilities, but it doesn't help that I usually have more than one job at a time, my record being 6 all at once while at uni

on top of my nursing qualifications i have my ambulance qualifications too, 4.5years of ambos will let you rack up few.

so yeah, you'd think they'd be beating down my door, but i know for a fact the last 2 jobs i got interviewed for i didn't get because of my age

Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops

Posts: 1045
Reg: 08-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 10:53 pm, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

List a few of the best. Say there are plenty more. Otherwise you give them no impression other than "no previous workplaces listed". I have written my CV many times, and I have read many many more. I have also had a lot of contact with recruiters.. including almost marrying one. CVs are not read in detail. It is about how quickly you can cover the requirements, which are mainly (in no particular order):

Education
Places you've worked (the bigger the better usually)
Skill set
Properly laid out with good grammar and spelling

When you are filling a role, you don't read CVs in depth and really think about the person.. you gloss over it looking to tick the boxes in your head. Any that appear not to tick the boxes get binned. The info has to be concise, easy to digest, and what they are looking for. Reading CVs is not fun for anyone. At least make it easy for them.

Generally I will skip the cover letter (though I expect there to be one!), then on the first page I read the first paragraph, looking for a list of skills. Then I will read the list of qualifications. I only want to know the name of the qualification and where you got it. I will make my decision on its quality based on those two things. I couldn't give a •••• if you enjoyed it, or did debating in high school or whatever. I'd really only ask for bullet point lists on the whole thing, except that I want to make sure you can actually write. Bad grammar or spelling is almost always a fail.

Then I will look at the career history and read only:
Company you worked at
Position you held

If you manage to pass these tests, then I may read the rest of the CV later when I've junk filtered down to 2 or 3 finalists. And the better your qualifications and track record look, the more likely you are to make it to the top. If you fail these tests, you end up in the bin. Most people I know (including me) will only interview the top 1 or maybe 2 CVs. I hate having to sit there with people and talk about them. I hate asking them the same stupid questions and giving the same tests. So I will interview only whoever had the best appearance from their CV.

Other possible ways to get employed:
word of mouth is #1. use your contacts.
get yourself a recruiter. they know how to sell anyone.

Another thing I personally HATE... when people tell me about their qualifications in fields that don't matter, or their hobbies (unless they are lucky enough to be my hobbies too). And stay away from stuff like attaching photos, unless you are hot and you're going for a secretary position for a guy and you are *absolutely* positive ONLY MALES are reading the CVs.

Stephanie Loftus
Tinkerer
WA
UZZ30 soarer

Posts: 38
Reg: 11-2007

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 11:22 pm, by: Stephanie Loftus (Spectre)

hun, i understand you're trying to help, but you have no idea how i have my CV laid out. And obviously no idea how nursing works.

my CV is 3 pages.
Page 1 - basic details and qualifications (just what, where, when)
Page 2 - work experience (companies worked for, specialties worked in), and 8 sentences explaining other non-nursing jobs i have held concurrently that are relevant to workplaces because i did advocacy, OH&S and international services
Page 3 - 8 lines of other skills (dot point) such as computer literacy and religious studies which are all items that fall under 'desirable criteria' for nursing jobs
and 8 different references that can back up any aspect of my resume from regular workers to CEO's

I used to be employed to teach people how to construct resumes, and write letters of application.

every job i've applied for in the last 2 years i have been interviewed for. Of the jobs I haven't walked out of the interviews half way through because the initial advertisement blatantly lied about the nature of the job, I have either gotten the job as the first choice, or i have been turned down based entirely on how young i am and the fact the older women I would be working with would feel uncomfortable which such a young person around.

yes, i'm fully aware its against the law for them to say that, but its what they have told me to my face, the letter merely says we are sorry you were not the successful applicant.

nursing is a f'king awful profession, there is a reason why people are leaving it in droves and that there is no such thing as a young nurse anymore, bullying is rife and we feed off our young

Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops

Posts: 1046
Reg: 08-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 11:55 pm, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

OK so why are you complaining you can't get a job if you get offers? One minute you're telling us it goes downhill and you can't get a job.. next minute you tell us you get everything?

One minute you tell me "my resume doesn't say any place i've worked for", the next you say "Page 2 - work experience (companies worked for, specialties worked in)"

Recruiter I almost married - originally worked in HR at a major hospital. Guess who she hired all day every day? Nurses and grad doctors. And guess who originally told me how CVs are assessed?

I may not know everything about nursing, and I may not know how you have your CV laid out, but "hun", I do have a lot of experience at being on the *other* side of the interview table and the receiving side of CVs. You may have been employed to write CVs, but I have been employed to read them. Now I employ myself to.

It sounds to me like either you are applying for the wrong jobs (from your last post), or you are interviewing badly (from your "downhill" posts). You walk out of interviews halfway through? There absolutely are ways to say you are leaving nursing and not have it "go downhill".

Of course you are judged on your age. What did you seriously expect?! Equality? Fairness? Right. I openly admit I judge based on age, looks, grooming, status, race, you name it. This is reality.

My opinion, and I'm making it on very little contact with you here... I think you have an attitude. You can either take that opinion or leave it. But at the end of the day, I am an employer..... you complained you couldn't get a job. I offered some advice from the viewpoint of an employer and you threw it right back in my face. There was more than one way you could have written your reply, and you chose dismissively. That, along with the inconsistencies in your posts.. you tell me you don't list place of employment, then when I say you should, you tell me of course you do. People pick up on this stuff. Ever think that they are just TELLING you it's your age? Hell, I've made all kinds of excuses to people why I won't approve them, rather than say the truth. I'd rather say "it's your age" (because you won't blame yourself) than "i don't like you".

Again, you can take my opinion or leave it and think what a wanker. But who is complaining about their employment here?

Stephanie Loftus
Tinkerer
WA
UZZ30 soarer

Posts: 39
Reg: 11-2007

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 12:22 am, by: Stephanie Loftus (Spectre)

i work for companies that send me to facilities

this is not an inconsistancy. my cv tells people that i work for this company and i have worked in these areas while employed by this company, but i'm sure as hell not going to name hospitals because there is so many of them

if a job advertises mon-fri 9-5 no weekends, no on call, and i turn up to an interview and get told its actually rotating rosters then i leave because if they are going to lie in the ad to get me in the door, what else are they going to lie about?

my original complaint is that i cant seem to get a job with regular hours. all the jobs i've applied for with irregular hours i get, but i'm now at a point in my life where i dont want them

i have no idea what your industry is, but in mine there are 2 types of humans - with and without pulse, so yes i take offense when people are closed minded enough to say that they will judge on anything other than sheer merit.

i took your assistance for what it was meant to be, prior to your last post, but the problem was, you were telling me to do something that i had done to an extent that would be feasable and tried to explain it.

and when you have had some menopausal woman telling you that you get the s'it workload today because she has kids who look my age that are useless and cant be trusted so i must be that way, when you've been in the building less than 10 mins and have been judged entirely on how you look, lets see how much you believe it when they say its your age

or been stuck in the age = life experience crap that gets given out by a large number of nurses that use it to justify their own existence.

btw EEO law states that your comment on judging anything but grooming is against the law and can put you at risk of thousands of dollars in fines

i dont have an attitude, i'm simply sick of being lied to, and not being judged on merit but age alone.

but then again, it could be worse, i could be dealing with employers like you who not only judge on age but looks and other completely irrelevant things as well

Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8

Posts: 8651
Reg: 11-2004

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 01:46 am, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

Reality is, that nobody can really tell how well someone will fill a position until they have been there a while. So recruiters have to make calls based on their own personal judgement and experience.

This will include things like appearance and presentation, it's almost impossible for people not to be affected by these factors, even if they try to be objective. An example is that taller guys will often get the job over a similarly qualified shorter guy. Sad but true.

It's also a little bit valid too, nursing is a bit of a team job, and the wrong person can upset the entire shift, by being eg lazy, or unhelpful, or just plain obnoxious.

Not suggesting that you are any of these things, but it isn't realistic to expect that the facts on paper alone will get anyone a job.

A job interview is also a sales pitch. You are trying to sell them on giving you the job ahead of the other candidates. So you need to view it that way. Same as most things in life, from a baby crying trying convince it's mother to make it happy with a feed, to getting a girlfriend/boyfriend.

It's all a sales pitch, so give it your most charming effort.

Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops

Posts: 1047
Reg: 08-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 10:08 am, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

Stephanie Loftus wrote on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 12:22 am:
btw EEO law states that your comment on judging anything but grooming is against the law and can put you at risk of thousands of dollars in fines

No sh!t. But welcome to the real world. Peter's right too. I'm 6'5 and I used to always get the job over the midgets. I learned early on that all this stuff matters, and is at least half of what you are judged on. I wasn't the prettiest guy so I worked on what I could and went to the gym. I got a decent haircut and bought three grand suits. I smell nice. And guess what? I was taken more seriously in every meeting and interview. I was still the same person with the same right ideas, but now people were listening to them. This is how the world works. "Appearance matters" is drummed into us every day and it sticks. So yes, you will be judged on age, appearance, and everything else. Merit is almost secondary.

One of my friends realised this about 2 years ago. Before that he dressed badly and was pudgy. Absolutely brilliant at his job, but his career was stalled. So he joined me at the gym, got a haircut, bought some new clothes. Shortly after, he went out and got a job paying twice as much and has gone up a couple of times since. People at work listen to him now because his looks subconsciously tell them he is their superior. This is the sh!tty way the world works.

Walking out of an interview is craziness. Put up with the rest of the interview. Use it as practice. If you're offered the job, politely turn it down with a lie for an excuse. You never know when that person, or their department, or someone they know, will have a job you want. You can either be "that silly girl who walked out", or "that girl we wanted but unfortunately she got a better offer first".

Get used to not being judged on merit. I can not stress this enough. It used to frustrate the hell out of me too. Then I learned.

Like I said, just list the more prestigious facilities you've worked at. I worked for a load of body shops, but do you think I put "Little Body Shop Pty Ltd" on my CV, when they put me on site at Telstra or BHP? No way. Straight up the top of my list are the big names. Never mind that I was contracted in, that's where I worked.

Stephanie Loftus wrote on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 12:22 am:
it could be worse, i could be dealing with employers like you who not only judge on age but looks and other completely irrelevant things as well

Guess what? You are. EVERYONE DOES. I'm one of the few in my industry who can properly judge merit because I'm young enough to still remember how to do the job properly. Everywhere else you just get hired on impression and list of prior employers.

Stephanie Loftus
Tinkerer
WA
UZZ30 soarer

Posts: 40
Reg: 11-2007

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 12:18 pm, by: Stephanie Loftus (Spectre)

i come from an upper middle class family and have 5 years of deportment classes and elocution lessons behind me. I'm perfectly aware of how to dress walk and talk to fit into society and am always very presentable at interviews.

here's the thing, i'd prefer to keep applying for jobs, and be annoyed that i keep getting turned down because of how young i look, than work anywhere that hired me cause they thought i was pretty. i just reserve the right to gripe about the fact that people are closed minded idiots that think the only thing in this world that counts is how we look.

i like the fact that i can pass myself off as 8-10 years younger than i really am, what kind of female would want to look older?

and i tried to tell you, in nursing its different. If you're old, you're ok, if you're fat, you're ok, but if you dare to lose weight then you're out. i actually know a girl that were getting along great at work, dropped weight and suddenly nobody would talk to her, she finally found out it was because they were all offended she'd gone and lost weight just to prove she could when they were all dieting. the bullying was so bad after that she had to change jobs. and it wasn't like she was looking great, she went from a 24 to an 18

and i cant be the only person in this world that judges people on merit alone

Ken Cornell
DieHard
Western Australia
1967 KE10 Corolla!!

Posts: 928
Reg: 01-2006

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 02:04 pm, by: Ken Cornell (Dunadan)

Hi Stephanie, if your looking at health and Safety forget the mines. They will not hire a 20 something Female. My wife has gone thru that one. They are now sending older guys from the mines, who have hurt their backs to get safety qualifications. Yes they only have Cert IV's, but the mines know the blokes on site will listen to them. Also they know he is used to mine life.

Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT

Posts: 2543
Reg: 07-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 02:04 pm, by: Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof)

You can whore yourself out to 1000 fat chicks for 50 bucks a piece. Or you whore yourself out to 50 fat chicks for 1000 bucks apiece.

Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

Posts: 3302
Reg: 10-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 02:35 pm, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

Miles Baker wrote on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 10:08 am:
One of my friends realised this about 2 years ago. Before that he dressed badly and was pudgy. Absolutely brilliant at his job, but his career was stalled. So he joined me at the gym, got a haircut, bought some new clothes. Shortly after, he went out and got a job paying twice as much and has gone up a couple of times since. People at work listen to him now because his looks subconsciously tell them he is their superior. This is the sh!tty way the world works

Ain't that the truth. My career really took a turn when I lost 60kg. Sad really.

Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8

Posts: 8652
Reg: 11-2004

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 02:51 pm, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

Stephanie, it's not about being pretty. It's about presentation. There is a difference. It's how you come across to the person on the other side of the desk.

They are assessing how you well you will do the job and fit in with the team.

Presentation is a package and it includes attitude. Example - younger people are more likely to be a bit impetuous, which is good for society as it means they will try stuff out and break new ground, but it isn't always what an employer is looking for.

Miles worked out, got a haircut and bought new suits - he didn't get a facelift, so he was just as ugly as he was before!

But the new Miles would have presented as someone that wants to get ahead, and takes his career seriously.

Merit isn't just what is written on paper. How can they assess your ability to be part of a team without making a judgement based on how they feel about you from the interaction in the interview room?

Keenan Edinger
TryHard
WA
UZZ31 GT-L V8

Posts: 119
Reg: 02-2006

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 03:29 pm, by: Keenan Edinger (Keenan585)

hahaha lol!! classic family guy, gotta love it!

Stephanie Loftus
Tinkerer
WA
UZZ30 soarer

Posts: 41
Reg: 11-2007

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 05:42 pm, by: Stephanie Loftus (Spectre)

peter, thats why we have references, to have other people tell perspective employers how well we actually work and interact with each other

interviews for nursing are merely to get a look at the person. its illegal to ask our age so this is the easiest way to do it. i've been on interviewing panels that tried to bring this up as a reason to discard an applicant.

in 20 years time the shortage of nurses in australia is going to be beyond critical. this is because the same women running the system and ruining the system are going to be out of nursing by then, and there wont be anybody coming up through the ranks behind them.

in WA alone a single hospitals entire upper management lost a case of bullying and harrassment of younger staff. class action i think its called, there was 6 nurses in the case and 3 members of upper management. the nurses got their very small payout, and are blacklisted in a lot of hospitals now as trouble makers, and the 3 members of management were split up and sent to other hospitals to continue to be arseholes.

and i can work out all i want, but unless i can get a fake id and feel like aging myself i am not going to be able to get past some facilities policies that state no-one under 30 shall be employed there.

you want frustrating? try having a place you interviewed at years ago ring you up to check up how old you are now because they wanted to employ you back then but you were too young, and they still want to employ me now. and then they find out i'm still too young for their standards so they tell me they'll contact me again in a couple of years to see if i'm still interested

i walk out of interviews because if they lied to me once, i will not let them lie to me again. i have a job, i am able to walk away from an interview. i know which way is more politically tactful, but i cant ever picture myself being in a situation where i would ever accept a job from someone that had done that to me, and have no desire to be assisted by that sort of person. this is my own personal principle. something i feel a lot of people these days ignore in the pursuit of money

Luke Nieuwhof
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT

Posts: 2546
Reg: 07-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 07:17 pm, by: Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof)

It's a pretty interesting insight into the health system you're giving Stephanie. Makes you wonder about how the stories we hear about skills shortages and stuff. I wonder how much of it is about being too picky.

Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8

Posts: 8654
Reg: 11-2004

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 07:35 pm, by: Peter Nitschke (Pen)

Who really pays attention to references?

The healthcare industry is about profit like any other business. Unfortunately they see the workers as a cost rather than as an asset, so they don't look after staff, then wonder why they don't have any. They then have to employ temps on an increasingly regular basis and it costs them a lot more than having reliable regular staff. Go figure!

Most DON's (Director of Nursing) are (often good) nurses that rose to a position they aren't trained for - management, so they get stressed which in turn means they pass the aggro on to staff. A lot soon return to working the wards and another wannabe DON takes their place - the cycle repeats.

Stephanie Loftus
Tinkerer
WA
UZZ30 soarer

Posts: 43
Reg: 11-2007

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 07:38 pm, by: Stephanie Loftus (Spectre)

you want some scary numbers luke?

1000 nurses enter the WA workforce every year
650 of them are aged 20-21

in 12 months 400 of that 1000 will still be working

in 5 years 40 of that 1000 will still be working, and none of them will be under 30, which means the entire 650 20yo's will have left. of those 350 will get pregnant and drop out, and the other 300 will report bullying and harassment as why the left

disgusting isn't it?

there are more than 25,000 qualified nurses in australia that voluntarily revoked their licenses to practice. WA has a 5000 nurse shortage everyday. the eastern states its worse.

thats why they are spending so much money trying to get nurses back into nursing. and in all honesty i would never let my children or anyone i know into nursing. if you manage to not be attacked by the staff, you have a 97% chance of being abused by a patient every single shift you work on a ward in a hospital

back on topic, i just got a late chrissy present, new tap seals!!! so excited hate leaking taps with a passion

Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops

Posts: 1051
Reg: 08-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 07:44 pm, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

Stephanie Loftus wrote on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 05:42 pm:
i know which way is more politically tactful, but i cant ever picture myself being in a situation where i would ever accept a job from someone that had done that to me, and have no desire to be assisted by that sort of person. this is my own personal principle.

Well, good luck in life. You're gonna need it. 90% of the people I meet in my professional life I hate with a passion. Maybe 0.2% of them find out. None of us are islands. That goes for you AND THEM. So many times I have met somebody and it's come out that they like someone I have previously disliked, but kept my mouth shut. That's really paid off.

Don Bagnall
Moderator
New Zealand
I have WAY less Soarers than Hayden :-(

Posts: 6548
Reg: 05-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 08:32 pm, by: Don Bagnall (Baggs)

Stephanie,

I know where you're you are coming from, and I can (to a degree) empathise with where want to get TO.

I wish you ALL the very best (for YOU!), and I hope that 2008 will bring you..............Satisfaction!

Administration

Log Out

Previous Next