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Adam Peterson
Goo Roo
Western Australia
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 12:45 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The card skimming has occurred in WA. Please forward on so that the WA public (and others coming to WA) are aware!!

Skimmers will steal your card details and withdraw all your money. It is messed up! I last heard it was confirmed at the Maddington McDonalds but this article suggests that any Maccas is suspect.

A work colleague just got skimmed a few days ago.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/stor...017962,00.html



List of venues to avoid:

McDonalds Canning Vale
McDonalds Maddington
McDonalds City
McDonalds Success
McDonalds Cannington
McDonalds South Perth

Coles Southern River
Coles Gosnells
Coles Thornlie
Coles Maddington
Coles Forest Lakes

Peak Service Station Bayswater
Peak Service Station Kwinana
Peak Service Station Maddington
Peak Service Station Mundaring
Peak Service Station Roleystone

BP Service Station Wembley
BP Service Station Carlisle
BP Service Station Manning
BP Service Station Osborne Park
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 01:09 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Peter Nitschke
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 01:12 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Might be this one?

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,1,26189503-948,00.html
Ty Mackay
DieHard
WA
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 01:42 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah i got screwed over...
Adam Peterson
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 01:52 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes thats the one Peter :-)
Cheers mate.

People are having their cards blocked on an hourly rate over here
Ali Saeed
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WA
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 04:18 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeh i got skimmed 200 odd and a mate got skimmed 150ish. a co worker got skimmed 2 grand at Victoria park maccas. mine was at willetton maccas
Ty Mackay
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 04:34 pm, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah its rooted... i lost alot more than 2 grand, and the banks say it is going to take more than 3 weeks to investigate and refund it all.
Ali Saeed
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WA
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 04:55 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

submit a police report and shove a copy into the banks face and tell them to give you your money back. 3 weeks is just bullshit i was quoted a week at max
Mike Beck
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New Zealand
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 08:32 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I probably get it but how exactly are they doing this?
David Grima
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WA
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 09:44 pm, by:  David Grima (Maltezr) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah it was again on the news tonight about it, they were saying do not use eftpos at any macdonalds drive thru's and apparently over 3,500 reported cases in Perth alone so far worth $2million plus i think. That's totally F'd up! My brother told me this arvo one of his workmates wife used it in a Mc D's drive thru last week and they were fleeced 3 grand.
Ali Saeed
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 10:04 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

as far as i know the eftpos machines at maccas, which are most likely ANZ provided equipment, dont encrypt the outgoing information well enough, which is then intercepted and new cards are printed out and used elsewhere. my card was used in the maccas in wa and then a few hours later it appeared in NSW at an atm, withdrawing everything i had in that account, which luckily wasnt a lot.
Mike Beck
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 10:22 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My word....
Ben Daniel
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WA
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 01:12 am, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ty Mackay wrote on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 01:42 pm:

yeah i got screwed over...


LOL... TY.... you make it blatantly obvious to everyone you have no money anyway !!!!! :-)
Matthew Sharpe
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 07:09 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scary

There was a crowd in NZ a couple of years back fitting card readers over the top of ATM card entry slots, and mounting cameras near by to watch pin entry, so they could then duplicate the card and withdraw cash later on, the banks responded by fitting cowling things over the ATM card slots which seemed to sort it out - that and the cops catching quite a few of the culprits (well done, for a change NZ police!) but this is a new one!
Ty Mackay
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WA
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 11:38 am, by:  Ty Mackay (Duo89) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Daniel wrote on Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 01:12 am:

LOL... TY.... you make it blatantly obvious to everyone you have no money anyway !!!!!





true.... but however on this occasion the money was in a direct saving :-) a card i dont use except for this once.. and look what happened! time to cut it up and never use it haha!
Aiden Cheese
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 12:56 pm, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The problem is when the bank goes and puts something over their reader, you end up being stupidly anal as you see there's now a weird fitting over the entrance and you can't tell if its a skimmer or real :-(

Social engineering is the best hack.
Ali Saeed
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 03:59 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i dont think there was a device placed on the eftpos terminal itself, but rather something on the phone lines going towards the bank.
Peter Nitschke
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 04:43 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's how I read it too. So using any stores EFTPOS if they are using ANZ terminals would appear to put you at risk.

I am seriously thinking of getting a separate low limit card just for daily shopping.
Leon Wright
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WA
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 07:03 pm, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can chop and change the limit on my card when ever I want. So I keep it low for normal days and up it when I know I'm going to buy something big.

Could go Lo-fi and draw cash over the counter... May see muggings increase then!
David Vaughan
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NSW
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 07:13 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It seems to me the risk of getting mugged is no worse than the risk of getting skimmed or defrauded, and probably the balance has always been much the same. Anyone remember cheque fraud? Muggings are more injurious personally than a good solid skimming though.
Ben Daniel
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WA
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Friday, October 16, 2009 - 12:57 am, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On the news the other night they were trying to tell a sob story about a single mother of 2 who had her account emptied (over $5k) after using an atm and as heartless as this may sound I honestly had no sympathy for her. Why does a single mother of 2 have her daily bank limit over $5k in the first place ????? sorry, but I have no sympathy for stupidity. I've always had a $500 (the lowest it can go) on all my accounts and always keep my money in an account that's not linked to a card. Unless your a business your daily withdrawl limit should never be over a grand.

I was having a debate with a girl at work over it and she basically said that people need to make large transactions all the time and it's too much of an inconvenience having to leave work early or use up a lunch break going to the bank. I said to her "alright, tell me how much more of an inconvenience it would be if you had your account emptied and no money cause you were too lazy to go stand in a line to get your money out safely?" in which she had nothing to say.

There are so many thing's you can do to protect yourself from this but some people are chosing to do nothing and are usually the ones that cop it. We had 4 guy's at work have their accounts raided last week. One of the guy's was pissed cause he had $1300 taken which he was saving for his trip to thailand... I'm sorry... ever heard of a SAVINGS account ????

I guess I feel strongly about this because I work with money and know many ways to be protected from this but. I wouldn't wish it upon anyone but if some people are just too careless maybe they need to be taught a lesson ?
Matthew Sharpe
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Friday, October 16, 2009 - 06:36 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Recently everyone over here (dairys, fast food, you name it) was forced to comply with some new security format that made a lot of them have to throw their equipment out and buy new ones. I'm hoping that means we have some kind of protection from this kind of scam here in NZ, but even so I'm glad I have a $800 limit on my card.
Callum Finch
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WA
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Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 03:09 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Daniel wrote on Friday, October 16, 2009 - 12:57 am:

On the news the other night they were trying to tell a sob story ab.....




I find a better way of managing money through restrictions is to leave the withdrawl limit high (so that the option is always there in a pinch without a 5 work day turnaround on a change) but have the only account accessible via card or transferring money to other accounts always low on funds (say $500 as you suggested).

Get a couple of purely online accounts which usually net no fees because you cannot withdraw money on them directly which theoretically means minimal costs for the bank.

That way if you ever need more than $500 on one day (very possible if you have ever done a trip through the Swan Valley or Margs hunting for wine =P ) you dont have to rely on bank locations and opening times.

Convenience is a bitch when there is no convenience.
Ben Daniel
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Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 03:16 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Planning ahead is your friend.
Peter Nitschke
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Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 05:33 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This problem might make using a signature rather than a PIN a more secure option.
Jol Alexander
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Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 09:01 pm, by:  Jol Alexander (Courage) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pin is useless if someone has a sniffer on the wifi.

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