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Luke Nieuwhof
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 07:24 am, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ah the wonders of thinking how the hell I can afford a house...

Now - I have an SAFC2 and Greddy Profec Bspec 2 boost controller sitting at home...should I just sell these for $650 odd? Or should I spend a few hundred getting them installed and tuned now knowing I won't get a chance to spend more money on the car for a while? This said what does it get me? More power at our dyno days so I can wank with you guys and a little bit quicker at the drags which I don't need cause I'm a f*cking champion anyway (modesty be damned).

Then the big question, that big lump of money sitting in the driveway. Current girlfriend replacement. It has been an excellent car to me (nothing has gone wrong) but I worry it could cost me money if things go wrong as it gets older. It's not that bad on fuel if I drive easy. But every time I need to fill up with ultimate again I sigh....

Don't know why I am musing here, just seeking quality Soarer counselling...

EDIT: That would be SOARER folk.
Adam Barry
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 08:49 am, by:  Adam Barry (Acdchook) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bah, who needs a house.

You can sleep in your car, you can't drive in your house.
Luke Nieuwhof
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 09:18 am, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Your logic is flawless, Adam.

A drag racer at the Motorplex has a great sticker on the back window of his car: "But you can't race a house."
Kim Nguyen
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 09:31 am, by:  Kim Nguyen (Kim) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have been told by a friend that prices of houses will drop next year apparently, Don't know how true this will be or what not, but you could wait a bit to see... How much would it cost you to repurchase these products?

Boost Controller Price: $565.00
SAFC 2 Price: $569.00
So that is $1134 you will have to fork out again later (These prices are just from modyourcar.com if you can get them cheaper then yeah)
Otherwise I wouldn't mind buying said items for a cheap price :p
Luke Nieuwhof
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 10:25 am, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It cost me $650 to buy them, I realise I might not be able to buy them down the track.

House prices and trying to predict the market is a head spin at the moment. Some say it has more to go, some say it will decline, some say it will plateau. Arrrrggghhh!
Daniel Czechowski
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Western Australia
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 11:20 am, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It will mostly slow down in growth... I doubt it will fall significantly where you'll be able to notice a difference. Definately gone are the days where average house goes up by $5K a month, it may be increasing half that from now I'd say.
There are probably a few types of houses in certain areas that perhaps are overpriced and they may fall (read crappy & useless 1 bedroom tiny inner city apartments and such) as well as other over ambitious prices people put on their houses just because of all the hype they hear in the paper. I came across a few dreamers 2 months ago when I was looking around to buy mine, who's gonna pay over $400K in Gosnells for a house??? Crazy... Oh well, either way, can't go wrong buying a house in Perth at least, we've only seen negative growth twice in the past 30 years so...
Phil Gibson
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 02:54 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Buying another car to save money on fuel is a big mistake

At the end of the day youre still gonna have to fill it up whether it costs $70 or $50 and not only that but you'll be driving some POS that wont give anything like the enjoyment you got from the Soarer *plus* it will have cost you money in the changeover anyway... false economy imo...

So unless you plan on getting by with no car at all i say DONT DO IT!
Paul Brockbank
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 03:31 pm, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Luke, I'll make it easy for you champ...

I'll give you $400 cash tomorrow for the boost controller.

Let me know mate, I need one by the end of the week.
Daniel Czechowski
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 04:08 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, Phil's got a point. I contemplated getting something economical for about 2 minutes when I was refueling my car at $1.48 a litre the other day... did quick sums in my head and figured paying extra 20 bux a week is worth it, why? Coz:
1. Soarer's an awesome car
2. Will enjoy Soarer a lot more
3. Would probably lose money on it if I was to sell it
4. Would have to pay stamp duty and all that crap on a newer car
5. Wouldn't enjoy driving an econobox at all
6. Would be embarassed driving an econobox
7. Extra 20 bux a week is nothing in the grand scheme of things
8. I'll find the extra 20 bux somewhere else in my budget (I dont actually have or need a budget but you get my point)
9. I do no mods to my car, happy with the way it performs, therefore all I spend money on is running costs
10. I'll cut the amount of pub lunches with colleauges down to twice a week if I need to justify it
11. If you think you can't afford to drive it everyday, catch a bus to work.
12. yaddda yadda yadda, sacrifice some other crap if you need to, but don't sell the soarer!!!
Peter Nitschke
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 04:29 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The other point is that a lot of us now do our own oil changes etc, so could be saving quite a bit on the regular maintenance bill to help offset the added fuel consumption.

Plus Soarers don't have that many maintenance needs usually, so in the grand scheme of things, they don't really cost a lot to run if you enjoy doing a bit of it yourself :-)
Samantha Hornby
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 05:58 pm, by:  Samantha Hornby (Marla_singer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 04:29 pm:


Plus Soarers don't have that many maintenance needs usually, so in the grand scheme of things, they don't really cost a lot to run




Tell that to my mechanic. I'm keeping him in business
Ben Daniel
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 05:58 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Because I work in Fiberglass I cant drive my soarer as it will get ruined so i do drive a second car to work everyday... an old skyline, cost me $500 to buy, $70 for 2 weeks of fuel and in the 8 months i've had it, it hasn't broken down. Not once :-)

As for the SAFC-II and boost controller, mine are getting installed and dyno tuned by X-Speed next week for $340. Small price to pay for a bit of extra power.

As for houses, I can tell you right now that if your gonna sit around and wait for the prices to go down then your gonna be waiting a while.
Luke Nieuwhof
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WA
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 06:52 pm, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmm I was expecting about $300 for installation and tune...
Maybe I should just make one final spend on my car and keep it.
I just drove my sister's car up to Harvey Norman. Hyundai Excel, manual, noisy, butterly stickers on the side. Guys kept driving up and looking in and then looked suss when they noticed a bloke was driving.....hmmm.
I guess I have to look at it like a 'Soarer fee' for each week. With drag racing it's pretty much my only hobby aside from photography, which costs nothing. So it's not too bad in the context of things.
Continuing my thinking, they aren't *that* bad on fuel. I'm doing freeway driving most of the time so as a highway cruiser they are fine I guess. Plus if my plans for home ownership come off I hope to be close enough to ride in.

Thankyou for all points of view. :-)
Wayne Koh
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 07:10 pm, by:  Wayne Koh (Teknoboi) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

my mate just got his skyline with powerfc tuned. he was expecting $300 ish, but the bill ended up to be 750 or so. apparently 3 hours of tuning + 1 part that had to be replaced. looked on the dyno sheet. they did 9 dyno runs on it. dont know if it really took them 3 hours but Luke make sure u get a solid quote before you go ahead. cause my mate was a bit peeved as they said it was gonna be around 300 but ended up handing him an invoice for more than twice the amount.
Ben Daniel
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 08:32 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lol, Luke, when and if you do get your home and need some extra cash AND your prepared to rent a room out let me know :P I want to move out cept all my mates dont want to :/
Callum Finch
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 09:11 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think all of you are missing the real picture here;

Houses cost 100's of 1000's, what the is $1200 going to do to a $300,000 loan? NOTHING!

Luke, keep spending money on your car.
Get a loan for $350,000 or however much the house is you wanna buy and pay it off monthly or whaver @ $1,500 a month or whatever (i dont know what it would be).

Dont start selling to pay for a house; its retarded cos you will never get anywhere near paying it off.

Selling the car is a little different, but if you cant get over $15,000 (unlikely these days) its not really worth it.
Daniel Czechowski
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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 10:42 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Callum Finch wrote on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 09:11 pm:

I think all of you are missing the real picture here;

Houses cost 100's of 1000's, what the •••• is $1200 going to do to a $300,000 loan? NOTHING!

Luke, keep spending money on your car.
Get a loan for $350,000 or however much the house is you wanna buy and pay it off monthly or whaver @ $1,500 a month or whatever (i dont know what it would be).

Dont start selling •••• to pay for a house; its retarded cos you will never get anywhere near paying it off.

Selling the car is a little different, but if you cant get over $15,000 (unlikely these days) its not really worth it.




Ok, I thought I'll point out a few clarifications:

$350K loan repayments = $2300 per month
Gross income per annum required for a 350K loan = roughly $60K depending on lender
Minimum deposit required on a $350K house being 5% = $17500
Realising how close you can be to getting your own home = priceless <--- had to say this hehe

Therefore $1200 bux of mods is like 10% of your deposit on a house already Luke. Plus you got stamp duty and other costs, which will partly be offset by the first home buyer's grant. If you are serious about getting a house mate, hold off with the mods, I did, it's not like it's an addiction or anything :-)
Callum Finch
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Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 12:11 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

*Shrugs*
I bought some land and am going to build on it.

~$220,000 all up and i should have a property worth in the mid 300's.. we shall see >.>
Daniel Czechowski
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Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 01:14 am, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$220K including building??? To build anything half (if not even a quarter) decent is at least 150K+ Where in Perth did you buy cheap land like that Callum??? When my parents built a house in 1999 their land cost about 60K, but that was back then... Last month I sold one of my blocks for $295K in Canning Vale, (was gonna build there but it takes a bloody long time so bought a house there instead) but that block cost me $109K back in 2004... Where is your block Callum, and when did you buy it?
Luke Nieuwhof
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Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 07:36 am, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Callum, it's more about things inside the house and just random expenses.

*Sigh* As it is I am going half with the parental unit to get into the market.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 08:22 am, by:  Ken Cornell (Dunadan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Luke Nieuwhof wrote on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 07:36 am:

*Sigh* As it is I am going half with the parental unit to get into the market.



About the only way it can be done now! That and go work up at the mines.
That is unless theres a combined income of like over $120k (Now if Nay can earn $82k where there )
Sure the banks will loan you the cash on less, but you'll be forever broke, and any slight interest rate rise is a killer.
Luke Nieuwhof
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Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:36 am, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's the thing, everyone goes to work at the mines and they're like hmmmm what can I do with all this money. Oh I'll just buy a house.
Daniel Czechowski
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Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:56 am, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hehe, if only all of the miners were this smart... A lot of the miners at my work (especially the young ones) tend to drink lots, and I mean lots, there's no other entertainment there, spend money on crap left right and centre instead of investing it or whatever. When I was down there for a site visit, that's pretty much what I saw. Of course there's quite a few of those that make a killing and are paying their house off within a couple of years which is good. But some places tend to have ridiculously high costs of accommodation like Karratha for example... Collie doesn't have that problem though

Nah, these days average Joe Blow with the average salary can't get a house by himself, needs a partner to combine income, which is sad really. Not that it matters to me as I don't have that problem, but if I was 17 right now I wouldn't go to uni, just go up to the mines for 5 years or so, work my ass off, then come back to Perth all setup, and start uni then, while already living in a modest house of my own with no mortgage, and a few savings to make uni life easy. My 2 cents...
Ben Daniel
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Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 06:39 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Daniel, Im' planning on leaving my job as a fiberglasser and try get a career in mining ? Is there anything you could do to help me out ? any advice you could give me ? etc
Daniel Czechowski
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Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 07:04 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I work for a mining company, but as an internal tax accountant in the city so I'm not really a miner as such and I wouldn't know very well how to get a job on an actual minesite (I do travel there on business every now and then though). As far as I know, people of all sorts are always in demand by mining companies, from heavy equipment operators to cooks and cleaners. Best thing to do perhaps is to call recruitment companies that specialise in that kind of industry, there's quite a few around (when I think of a name I'll post it)

You might also wanna think about which area you wanna work at, like I wouldn't want to be in Karratha now because of the accommodation shortage and $1000 p/w rents for example, you can live in a tent if you wish though. I work for Griffin, who have an open cut coal mine down south near Collie, 2 hours from Perth. Wesfarmers Premier Coal also have a mine site right next to ours. And to be honest that is like the perfect location. It's not 1500 kays away like others, but less than two hours from Perth, very handy if you still wanna have a social life Not sure how many days on and off they do now... Not sure whether there's demand for miners in my place, as I'm not interested in that kid of info, but yeah, call places up, find out from them. You'd need to do a course if you want to drive machinery around. Those dump trucks look like fun. My place even has these two 20 yo twins (chicks, quite good looking too) driving those trucks and they make quite a packet. Make some enquiries Ben, it shouldn't be that hard to get something. Even a cleaner or some crap get $60K or more. Good luck!

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