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Shane Ilich
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 Monday, September 04, 2006 - 07:22 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
PowerFC and commander...


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Venom 680cc injectors...


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and Blitz Dual Solenoid Boost Controller...


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I find myself looking forward to the 18th, when this lot all gets installed and tuned
Paul Brockbank
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 Monday, September 04, 2006 - 07:27 pm, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Game ••••••• on!

Are you actually going to ask Ant to tune it for 400+rwhp or are you going to be weak?

You know you want to smash 1.5bar through the thing.
Shane Ilich
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 Monday, September 04, 2006 - 07:39 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
I'm going to ask Ant to tune it to 18psi with safe AFRs...whatever horsepower that yields, I'll be happy with

Couple of comparison pics between the PFC and the a stock ECU I just happened to have sitting in my room.

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And the true joy of a PowerFC - it's plug'n'play! Comparison of the stock ecu connections and the PFC connections...

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Paul Brockbank
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 Monday, September 04, 2006 - 07:44 pm, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
18psi? I'll have to ring Ant before the tune and tell him you actually meant 22psi.
It's a 1J dude, not a 25 ;)
Phil Gibson
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 Monday, September 04, 2006 - 08:24 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
early christmas for some :-)

Nice one mate!
Troy Baker
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 Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 03:42 pm, by:  Troy Baker (Sincity) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Look forward to seeing the results your combination yields Shane. You will like the Power FC, that I know.
Shane Ilich
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 Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 08:09 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Troy - so do I mate, so do I.

She's now booked in at XSpeed for the 19th to have this lot installed, and Ant to work his magic. Think a day off uni will be in order.

Also think another couple of MC days in the coming 4-6 weeks will be needed to learn how to handle what will essentially be a "new" car again!!

I also just purchased some secondhand Omori mechanical gauges, (oil press & temp, and water temp), so they will have to get fitted soon too, but I should be able to take care of that myself, rather than take up XSpeed's time.

Expect a dyno sheet to be posted here in a fortnight's time
Troy Baker
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 Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 02:06 am, by:  Troy Baker (Sincity) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Shane,

Have you fitted the 264 cams yet?

I think with your combination you should be able to crack 300rwkw. Not sure if it will happen with 18psi, might need 23psi but talk to Ant about that.

I found it was better to tune it for 1.5bar and then run it rich at 1.2bar. In normal driving you can use 1.2bar and then switch to 1.5bar if you want to run faster for a period of time.

I do find though that if it is especially cool or humidity is high it will ping at 1.5bar so then I just back it off to be safe.

Choice is yours but you may as well have the potential when you want it. Hope all goes well and look forward to the dyno charts.
Shane Ilich
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 Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 02:21 am, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Troy, never ended up going the 264 cams.

The main plan is to work it up to 18psi, at safe AFRs. I basically plan to run that for a while, make sure the setup can handle it, then head back in for another tune in say 3-6 months and run a higher boost setting again - its also about letting me get used to driving the higher horsepower.

I'm kinda reluctant to just go from running roughly 12psi through it to throwing double that at it straight away.

But yeah, she is my daily driver, and I am on basically a student budget, so end of the day, safety for the engine is the main priority. Even if Ant tunes it to 20 psi and I cap it at 18 for myself.

Anything over 350rwhp for a daily driver is nothing to sneeze at as it is, and yeah, this setup definitely has the potential to be pushed out to 22-24psi if I decide to see just how far it can go.

I dunno, I'll have a chat to Ant on the day - the DSBC has 4 possible boost settings, so maybe if Ant on the day thinks he can take it out to 22psi, and it's a fairly easy job for him to set up say 2 or 3 boost maps, then maybe we'll run with that (struggling to remember if the PFC runs multiple maps).
Paul Brockbank
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 Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 12:43 pm, by:  Paul Brockbank (Brockas) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Troy is right Shane, if you get it tuned to 18psi you will not be able to run higher. If you get it tuned at say 22psi, then there is nothing stopping you from turning the boost controller off and running wastegate pressure until you get used to the power.

Plus, you get a nice dyno sheet with huge figure on it. Always good for the 'wank factor'.
Shane Ilich
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 Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 01:34 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Yeah, yeah, yeah....Brockas, you just want me to run 22psi :-)

My only problem with getting Ant to tune to 20psi+, and then me turning it down to 18 or something for the street, is that it will then be running rich, which kinda defeats the point of getting the tune.

I'll have a chat to Ant on the day, he's the expert here, see what he says, what he thinks it can handle once he's given it a bit of a run.

The point is, the tune I get, I want to be useable, on the street and on the track. Having a nice big power readout on a dyno graph is nothing but "wank factor" as you said, Brockas, unless it can be used. Similarly, I'll be asking for a fairly smooth delivery, I dont want a "Rays Sil80"-spec tune where its "nothing...nothing...oh-shlt-400rwhp!!!" like Jarrod manages to handle. I want it on boost early, and just smoothly feeding me power.
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 Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 04:25 pm, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Wont run rich, he will just modify the fuelling parameters in the untouched cells representing 22psi and beyond. It only runs rich if you pull a dodgey and use a lower resolution map sensor than you actually require.

You should be running a 3bar map sensor now, in that case there wont be a single issue with tuning for even 25psi and turning it down to 18 or anything in between for daily duties.

Can't wait for the results :-)
300rwkw as is, is a bit out of the question me thinks; but I do expect the driving experience to be somewhat special
Troy Baker
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 Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 06:58 pm, by:  Troy Baker (Sincity) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Just got my best result in acceleration do far. 4.93sec to 100km/h on street bitumen.

Unfortunately I have my starter motor would turn over when I tried to leave the servo. Any ideas where I could source one?
Shane Ilich
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 Friday, October 20, 2006 - 04:32 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
OK...just to update this thread..

Had an issue with the "new" 680s, they appear more reconditioned than new...3 of the 6 stuck open, resulting in massive overfuelling and a workshop full of black smoke. Going to get them replaced under warranty, and tuned the 440s with a fairly basic tune instead. On the plus side, the Venom injectors were side feed high impedance and dropped straight in with no issues whatsoever as far as fitting goes.

Yielded 331.5rwhp at 17psi on the 440s, Ant took them to about 95% duty cycle.

Can see that the Spec R is holding boost perfectly the whole way across the rev range, which is nice.

She's a LOT more smooth and responsive in power delivery now, as well as having a bit of extra sting in the tail.




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 Friday, October 20, 2006 - 05:42 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
More power + easier to drive = double win!

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Blaine Hanson
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 Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 01:35 pm, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Shane, I see you bought Venom injectors. I have been looking at this brand. Quite cheap compared to Sard etc and suppose to be flow tested to 1.5% Where did you buy them from Aust / USA ? Any problems with your warranty claim ? - Would you buy them again if you had another chance to choose brands again ? In short - do you recommend I buy this brand as well ?
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 Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 07:43 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Blaine; i believe 3 of them dont work >.>

See "GAME ON!" Thread =P
Shane Ilich
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 Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 08:42 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Blaine Hanson wrote on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 01:35 pm:

Shane, I see you bought Venom injectors. I have been looking at this brand. Quite cheap compared to Sard etc and suppose to be flow tested to 1.5% Where did you buy them from Aust / USA ? Any problems with your warranty claim ? - Would you buy them again if you had another chance to choose brands again ? In short - do you recommend I buy this brand as well ?



Gday Blaine

The Venom injectors I got from a mob called TLF Performance Parts in the States. I purchased them under the impression they were new - they appear, in fact, to be reconditioned. I have since contacted them about the issues I had, and their reply has been to send them back and they will replace them. I intend to only send the 3 faulty ones, and hang onto the 3 good ones, just as a safety precaution.

With regards to the actual injectors themselves, they appear to be of good quality. I have been told by Hanson at XSpeed that the high impedance side feeds offered as suitable for the 1JZ by Sard actually are not direct drop-ins, they apparently require some sort of modification to fit the stock fuel rail. HKS also offers aftermarket injectors, but actually offer LOW impedance side-feeds as being suitable for the 1JZ.

If I could find a supplier of Venom injectors who would supply them brand new, with a warranty, and for a reasonable price, yes, I would purchase them again. I would NOT recommend purchasing anything from TLF Performance Parts however.

However, I would also consider this option - http://www.manictechracing.com/mtr1jfuraand.html. It's a fuel rail and injector upgrade kit that switches to Siemens top-feed high impedance injectors, in either 550cc or 680cc sizes. Hanson has however warned me that switching to a top-feed setup requires re-routing the injector loom, and is apparently quite a fiddly job.

Anyways, next job on the list is the fitting of an oil filter sandwhich plate to allow sensors for my Autometer Phantom II oil pressure, temp, and boost guages in my pillar-mount guage pod.


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 Monday, October 23, 2006 - 08:04 am, by:  Blaine Hanson (Blaine) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Thanks for the advice Shane. I have had some quotes from this company. They have a huge presents on Ebay and say their products are new. I guess we all know better now. I think I will take your advice and avoid TLF. I actually sent the manufacturer - Venom an email direct asking them for part numbers and have yet to receive a reply. That's a worry. I think I'll look else where...... The TLF rep answered his emails very promptly. Shame his product is questionable.
However I also sent a query to Greenline.jp and received no reply. Makes you wonder how these businesses survive.
Good luck with your project, makes me want to get a hurry up with mine.
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 Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 08:55 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Blaine - I just found this thread on Supraforums.com - the US boys have also had issues with TLFperformance or whatever he calls himself.
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395529

I have also just seen that he is also all over yahoo auctions as well as just ebay. I have not sent the 3 dodgy injectors back to himn yet, still trying to decide what I should do. I'm going to hit him up for a complete refund first, as I am no longer interested in these injectors whatsoever.

I will be going for a set of Sard 650cc injectors, part number 63561, which are direct drop-ins for the 1JZ-GTE.
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 Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 07:52 am, by:  Leigh Kuilboer (Requiem) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Donno how the link I got sent me here, but as I noticed the injectors at the top of the thread I was about to warn you off the 'Venoms' for the same reason you just found out.

Good Luck which ever way you go man!
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 Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 03:01 pm, by:  Chris Davey (Chris_davey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Sorry for the extremely late reply but I was just looking at your dyno sheet with the boost curve and there is no rpm.

From my calcs it seems that you hit full boost of 18psi at 3800rpm, is this correct?
Shane Ilich
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 Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 03:21 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Not far off, Chris. Full boost of 17psi comes in at about 3400rpm in 3rd gear - so she's acually quite responsive, which is exactly what I was after.
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 Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 05:34 pm, by:  Todd Williams (Jza70_r) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Shane, do you know if XSpeed tuned your power fc with the FC Datalogit software or by the hand controller?

Also have you installed the sards yet and you also mentioned Hanson said they actually need to be modified to fit the fuel rail? How did that go and what was involved?

Any other updates?

:-)
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 Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 10:16 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
Hi Todd - yep, Xspeed have the Datalogit software for the 1JZ :-)

Haven't progressedany further with the injector situation yet - although given I managed to hit 100% injector duty cycle at AHG MC day yesterday (when I checked the peak recalls), I think an upgrade will be needed. I dare say a surge tank setup is probably also needed, as in straight line I"ve never hit above 96%. I know Ant's tune was still on the rich side of safe, so I guess I could handle it.

Hanson's aware of the Sards needing to be modified to fit, as he warned me that they aren't a direct drop-in having previously fit them in a few 1J's.

No other real updates, other than I've got my guages fitted. Will post an interior pic shortly :-)
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 Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 03:24 am, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)
OK, pics of the guages fitted.

Sprayed the pod mount chocolate to try and match the trim as much as possible...still not completely happy with the fitting, looks a little bit untidy - that dirty great big bolt up the top that is visible needs to be hidden over somehow.



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Approximate drivers view - the guages dont seem to stick out that visibly in reality though.


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In all, they were a fairly quick and easy install, the sandwhich plate was a simple solution to fitting oil temp and pressure sensors, and has possibly made the oil filter eaiser to get to by pushing it out an inch or two.

The Autometer Phantom II guages are easy to read both during the day and look really awesome at night, and arent too blingy. As you can probably tell I try to integrate my mods to suit the factory interior as much as I can, not have stuff sticking out or vying for attention. Once I can tidy up that pod mount a little bit, hide/disguise the screws holding it in place, and as I said, that silver bolt holding the trim in place, then I'll be happy. Being a generic Ebay pod means the fit isnt perfect, but it's bloody difficult to find a soarer-specific 3-guage pod that isnt ridiculously expensive.

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