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Leon Wright
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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 05:41 pm, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm of the who gives a fly fig camp. I've had some good relationships that started with a drunken romp and some bad ones and same goes for the other side of the coin.

Depends what one is looking for in another. I also live in the DILLIGAF camp, honestly some random's opinion bear little on how I feel about myself, more the respect of my friends and family is important.
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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 06:06 pm, by:  Peter Burrett (Burrett) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, here comes a wrinkly; I've been married twice, and in each instance it was initially overwhelming and then reasonably lasting (15 yrs and 16 yrs) and, yes, we did jump into the cot in our first encounter.... it certainly did not diminish my opinion of the women, and apparently, not theirs of me.... I think the real question is about the building of a reputation of "easiness", rather than any specific instance
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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 07:29 pm, by:  Neil Griffiths (Aussiesc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MMMMMMMMMmmmmmm

When I was aged between 17-20,,I'd bang anything.. ( No STD's back then )

At 20 I dated a girl who turned out to be just under 16, so I would not touch her until she hit 16, I ended up marrying her ( 13 years ) ended up being a bad relationship ( after 4 kids )

Then after I was divorced I was in my 30's ( STD's WAS now about ) so being concerned about how my kid's would feel and what could happened, I refused any form of permanant relashionship, I did meet a few girls ( but the best part was I REFUSED sex on the first 6 dates ) hahahahaha.

Then one day Deb hit on me ( about 8-9 years ago ) I did not bed her in all her attempts to do as such. Then one day I did and we have been together ever since ( now married 1 year ago )

BUT,
She had to agree & understand that she MUST wait till I had no more of my children in my care, for us to actually LIVE togther, She did as such ( we have been living together for about 2 years now ) So for her understanding and knowledge of what my main concerns were, she is still happy and has never looked back ( I now have a woman that is my BEST FRIEND )

So in answer to your question Sam, I think it all comes down to the AGE bracket this situation is presented in.
Modern Women are more promiscuious than years gone by then Men are now !

So ages of * Bang on the 1st date * for Men would be,

16-20 - Hell Yeah ( if it moves, screw it )

20-25 - Pissed,, Bang Me,,, Sober,, I'm with me mates.

25-30 - So whats your name ? What sort of JOB do you have ?

30-35 - Look, I've been in some bad releasionships, lets just see how it goes, ok

35-40 - So what resturant / food do you like ? How many children did you say you had ? SEX, yes I do enjoy a good bang a few nights a week

40 up ???? Prolly, give it to me baby, it's been awhile...HAHHAHAHAHHAHA
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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 07:48 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th date, Seriously Sam, if you like the person then what does it matter ????

Personally I think the tradition of no Sex before marriage is a bit silly cause like... what happens come wedding night you find out the person isn't up to scratch or the equipment just doesn't even work !
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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 08:19 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Neil Griffiths wrote on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 07:59 pm:

Or they have the same sexual organs as you do...


You crack me up!!!

As for your question Sam, I know people who would say that it equals an easy person and I know people that would be fine with it all. After experiencing both sides of the coin, I agree with the former. Plus IMHO it is more fun once you get to know the person a bit better.

In relation to your other question, I have actually turned it down once, because I HAD A HEADACHE, ahahahaha! Albeit one that had me seeing stars and made me feel quite woosey, I put my neck out working under the dash, damn soarer
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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 08:25 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Believe it or not Ben but sex is meant to be a good headache cure. Once you get all those endorphins out and working its basically headache gone. :-)
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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 08:34 pm, by:  Ben Socratous (Socrates) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Daniel wrote on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 08:25 pm:

Believe it or not Ben but sex is meant to be a good headache cure


Yes, I know, tried and proven :-) Just doesn't seem to work when you have the worlds worst migrane that ended up in me being hospitalised
Perry Morgan
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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 09:12 pm, by:  Perry Morgan (Uzz32) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Daniel wrote on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 07:48 pm:

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th date, Seriously Sam, if you like the person then what does it matter ????



When I read this it prompted me to think from another point of view. If you (anyone) slept with someone on the first date and they thought less of you because of it, although they obviously participated then what sort of shallow person would that make them and would you want them then anyway?
Mel Morgan
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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 09:17 pm, by:  Mel Morgan (Active8) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Perry put out on the first date and it lowered my opinion of him, but after 8 years (4 married) I am coming around.
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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 09:38 pm, by:  Mike Bradberry (Halflife) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Neil, I hope your lady was standing over your shoulder when you revealed all you did.
Yes, my partner was my best friend before the inevitable.
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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 10:22 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Perry, to me thats having double standards and being completely weak hearted. Given the genre on the matter I'd seriously have a problem with the person if I knew that side of them and like usual wouldn't hesitate to tell them that they're low.

So yeah, I seriously hope your just joking Mel :-)
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 12:42 am, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Daniel wrote on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 07:48 pm:

Personally I think the tradition of no Sex before marriage is a bit silly cause like... what happens come wedding night you find out the person isn't up to scratch or the equipment just doesn't even work !




A good friend of mine has basically just railroaded her bf of about 4 years into getting engaged (she gave him a deadline - end of October this year, which he basically kept) and they are now getting married in March next year, having been living together for about 2 years and travelled together before that. Why do I say railroaded?? Because they are both "Crazy Christians" (their terminology, not mine) doing the whole no-sex-before-marriage thing...and she just basically wants to have sex.

It's literally been a bit embarassing - her words the other night at a BBQ, which was our first time seeing them since the engagement - "I cant wait for our wedding day in March, cos then I can finally have sex". So much for "cos then I will be married to the guy I want to spend the rest of my life with" or something along those lines.

Personally, I think the whole no-sex-before-marriage thing just eds up putting this massive pressure on it, and raises it up to be this thing that, inevitably when it happens, its never going to be able to live up to.

My 2c.

Neil Griffiths wrote on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 07:29 pm:

So ages of * Bang on the 1st date * for Men would be,

16-20 - Hell Yeah ( if it moves, screw it )

20-25 - Pissed,, Bang Me,,, Sober,, I'm with me mates.

25-30 - So whats your name ? What sort of JOB do you have ?

30-35 - Look, I've been in some bad releasionships, lets just see how it goes, ok

35-40 - So what resturant / food do you like ? How many children did you say you had ? SEX, yes I do enjoy a good bang a few nights a week

40 up ???? Prolly, give it to me baby, it's been awhile...HAHHAHAHAHHAHA




Neil, mate, you are RIGHT on the money. I'm basically moving in the 25-30 circles, and unfortunately, that is EXACTLY the sort of mind-set a lot of females in that age bracket have...try as hard as some might to deny it.
Mel Morgan
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 06:56 am, by:  Mel Morgan (Active8) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No joke Ben. Although we have been together for 8 happy years you will have to lower your opinion of us because we did rude things the first time we met.
Why do you hope we are joking? It is a non issue for anyone but us.
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 08:17 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Personally it's never lowered my respect of any woman, but not having it happen on the first date has certainly *increased* my respect for a woman, and probably contributed towards my level of trust too - and vice versa. I think most people tend to give their trust more to someone who has proven they can excercise self control.
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 08:54 am, by:  Lew Radbourn (Marlew) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mel Morgan wrote on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 09:17 pm:

Perry put out on the first date and it lowered my opinion of him, but after 8 years (4 married) I am coming around



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 09:01 am, by:  Lew Radbourn (Marlew) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What Neil has written above is SPOT ON.
been there and done all of what he said...
I did on my first date with my 2nd wife and we have now been together for 17 yrs
and also she is my best friend aswell.
we met at a house warming party
3 months later we were engaged and 12 months later we were married .
it is really freeky when you meet that special person
every thing just falls into place and every thing else just gets pushed to the side.
No hassles....
and i am very proud to say No arguments (with her) in the last 17 years either.
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 09:02 am, by:  Perry Morgan (Uzz32) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Daniel wrote on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 10:22 pm:

Perry, to me thats having double standards and being completely weak hearted.



I may be a bit simple Ben and can't quite figure out which bit of what I said you made this comment about.

Matthew, I was with someone who waited and turns out she was terribly untrustworthy down the track. I am now with Mel (we didn't) and trust her implicitly except when it comes her to hiding my Tim Tams. To me there are SO many factors that make up who a person is and how they treat you that having sex on the first date is unimportant to me.

I guess I just have a different take on sex. What a lot of people are saying here seems to me just as odd as if they were to say that he/she drank alcohol on the first date so they must be a drunk. Why does one even equate to the other?
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 09:05 am, by:  Scott Ferguson (Scott_ferguson) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Lew Radbourn wrote on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 09:01 am:

No arguments (with her) in the last 17 years either.




yes dear, whatever you say dear.



Nah I'm just kidding.
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 09:21 am, by:  Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I always found that if I liked a girl very much and wanted to see her again the best thing was to go to bed with her but not have sex. It completely baffles them and you are almost certain on a second date.

Said that, the longest lasting relationship I've had was after doing it on the day I met her.

In real terms it doesn't really matter. You certainly shouldn't think worse of a girl just because she likes you enough to go to bed with you on the first date.
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 11:08 am, by:  Samantha Hornby (Marla_singer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok. Wow - a lot of responses. Thanks for everyone's input guys. The reason I ask this is that my whole adult life I've had this conundrum hanging over my head. Coupled with things read in women's magazines and general talk at the water cooler.

And as a result, I've deduced the following:
If you're a woman with high sex drive, or just a woman who is a sexual opportunist (both of which are stereotypical masculine traits), your behaviour then lends weight to the assumption that you're all about cock and are not even considering matters of the heart or a possible commitment.

In my teens I was labouring under the misapprehension that sex = love. And I learned the hard way with that one. Now, at 25 I've discovered that only two men I've slept with on the first "date" have pursued me for a second. And the rest either pursued me in an attempt to manufacture a "f*ck buddy" arrangement, or just disappeared into the night - never to be seen or heard of again.

So yeah, I was just curious to discover if that really is the way things are with blokes, or if I've just had the dire misfortune of attracting a slew of assholes and misoginists

Thanks guys, you've answered my question.
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 11:56 am, by:  Tref Abbott (Tref) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Times have changed though. The thing is- if you're a bloke you have very little real control over the possible 'results' of a first night, second night or whatever fling. Condoms have blowouts and women 'on the pill' can often mean "Actually I was but I'm not at the moment'. If it all goes pear shaped -Once that 9 months start Men have no legal rights over the kid at all. But boys- legally, women have us by the b-lls for the next 18 years.(yet still they look so gorgeous as the financially screw us). So although there ARE still some honest women out there, just remember that you COULD be playing with fire.
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 12:12 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like to wait, if something is worth while then it is always going to require hard work to get there. Nothing good comes easy and if it does you often don't appreaciate it. Working hard to create a relationship with someone first then when you do finally have sex it will be all the more special. One night stand a simple 30 minutes or so of meaning less pleasure to help forget the passed week at work simply just doesn't cut it for me anymore.

I think anyone that sleeps around with the theory of shag it if it moves has sort of missed the point of what the whole deal is about.

Most people do start to realise this though in there later 20's or early 30's.
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 01:13 pm, by:  Lew Radbourn (Marlew) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scott;
Nar not that way at all mate
i said to her right from the start "DO NOT HOUND ME LIKE THE FIRST WIFE"
and she never has.
after work we sit down have a coffee together and talk about our day then she goes and watches tell or gets dinner ready.
and i get on the computer and do more work.
hehehehehe.
I got it good mate..
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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 01:24 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cool thread

Neil, Lew - awesome posts

Perry, Mel - hehehe

<mel> cmon, give it up!
<perry> but, but... my virtue!
<mel> i'll tell you where the TimTams are
<perry> oh.... ok then

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