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Mike Beck
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Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 09:15 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well I had seen these NEW Subaru SUVs around town, though hey thats pretty interesting looking...

Then today on a Day off, my brother, Andy which works at Winger Subaru came home in one of these for lunch....

While he was doing that I had a good look over this near new Subaru Tribeca, it was a 2006 model with only a few thousand kms on the digital screen! To tell you the truth I was pretty impressed by it, the interior is fantastic very spacious and has a rather futuristic feel to it, plenty of electronics though out such as a digital screen on the dash that displays CD play details and the A/C info...

Very comfortable was my first impression, the black leather seats are superb, not electric but still easy to use... I was facing a rather interesting digital type dash cluster which looks very similar to the new Lexus styled ones. Trim quality seamed pretty solid and the materials where not cheap it all was really well put together.

In the rear, leather bench seats and a nice roof mounted 9" DVD player with headphone jacks etc and its own climate controller.

Engine wise it look reasonably tidy - kinda Subaru-ish looking as usual :-)
Featured the 3.0L flat six 24v motor, makes a reasonable 250HP or so and just under 300nm of torque, I didn't go for a ride but could see it being a wee bit sluggish as being 2 tonnes but it wasn't meant to be a full out sports car more of a well balanced people mover with all the 4wd tech and the rest. Still it will get to 100km/h in just over 8 seconds and whisk down the 1/4 mile in mid 16s so not too shabby.

One part that fascinated me the most was it's unique styling all around, at the front in particular, the nose and grill all very original - really does make this car stand out from the rest of the SUV crowed, apart from the Nissan Murano these both are on the same futuristic wave length :-)

The only real draw back was the price - the specific new one Andy had was $63,000! (New just over 70k!) So pretty steep for a Subaru but they are ALOT better than they were 10 years ago and you are getting quite a bit of technology for the price... However give a few years and I could see these going down in resale value quite easily but you never know..

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Rather unique... But I just like it :-)
Callum Finch
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Friday, January 26, 2007 - 12:39 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WTF is with this 4wd craze?

I CANT STAND THESE BIG BOXES OF CRAP DRIVING SO DANGEROUSLY IN DENSE URBAN AREAS!

Does anyone else think that larger vehicles should require a different class license to drive? I do. Too many male/female wankers driving them around like they are in an indestructible tank and making life on the roads dangerous and hard.
Mike Beck
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Friday, January 26, 2007 - 04:57 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I actually agree, they are bloody huge and alot of the drivers are very casual tools with no real idea of how to drive them correctly, specially when they get into bad situations or even just regular day to day driving such as in the car park!

You got to remember vehicles like this have alot of momentum so they dont stop in a hurry!
Ben Lipman
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Friday, January 26, 2007 - 08:16 am, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I reckon they need a different licence, rego, and a posing wanker/delusional moron tax to curb their popularity. I get scared when I see some chick in her 4.5 tonne landbarge tailgating me. The drivers on the most part have no concept of the vehicles weight, braking etc. 2-3 times as heavy, no better brakes, they don't realise the extra stopping distances involved.
Matthew Sharpe
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Friday, January 26, 2007 - 09:28 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Interesting looking machine! Subaru's are always very expensive new, but drop off in value more quickly to match the rest of the second hand market.

But yeah, I agree people driving 4WD's when they have no good reason to be (they do not have to tow a boat, they do not live in a rural area etc) just piss me off. One of the worst things about them is how much of a hold up they create just because you can't see around them to what is ahead or to your right if you are next to one! If you are turning left next to one turning right, you are pretty much forced to wait for them to pull out, regardless of traffic, because you can't see over their damned bonnet!
Mike Beck
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Friday, January 26, 2007 - 10:24 am, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 09:28 am:

If you are turning left next to one turning right, you are pretty much forced to wait for them to pull out, regardless of traffic, because you can't see over their damned bonnet!




Ahaha, I dont know how many times thats happened to me but its so damn annoying!

I just usually sit there and wait... Better to be safe than sorry! :-) One of the key problem is since the drivers seats in the middle of the soarers, the front sticks out well over two meters so you cant really edge forward to see for on coming traffic, unless you want to be t-bared in the front right fender panel!
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Friday, January 26, 2007 - 12:15 pm, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Heh, yeah or hope that the other cars will drive around you
Dan McColl
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Friday, January 26, 2007 - 02:57 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 09:28 am:

people driving 4WD's when they have no good reason to be (they do not have to tow a boat, they do not live in a rural area etc)


It's possible that they do have a boat, and/or do go to rural areas and can't afford 2 cars.
A standard car won't work for their recreation activities, but the 4wd will work for their day to day activities.
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Friday, January 26, 2007 - 07:50 pm, by:  Ian Johnston (Ted) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A friend of mine has a Liberty wagon with the 3.0lt 6, and it goes like a cut cat.
I reackon it would blow my V8 away.
Callum Finch
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Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 01:24 am, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Dan McColl wrote on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 02:57 pm:

A standard car won't work for their recreation activities, but the 4wd will work for their day to day activities.



I know plenty of sedan cars that produce more usable power/torque (STOCK!) than a 4wd.

Thats not my concern though; the 4wd 'epidemic' wouldnt be so bad if the drivers were more aware of their car, hence the idea of a difference license for them.

Mike, sorry to deter away from your initial post =P It is a nice car i agree, and given Subar00's more recent history it should prove quite nice on the road.. as long as people are aware of the differences in the car when compared to a tiny 1.2L Barina or such! =P

I have no problems with people who have to own a typical 4wd because of their recreational/other requirements. I have many friends who have horses and a Landcruiser or Patrol is the perfect car for this due to their towing capacity and plentiful cargo space for riding gear. A number of those friends also drive them in the city, however in my experiences with them they always sit in the left lane due to their intimidating size/bulkiness in city traffic and are well aware that they have 2ce the weight than the next car.
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Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 03:29 am, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Most 4wd's probably don't weigh a lot more than an active anyway.
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Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 05:26 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

300kg+ is a lot of weight in anyone's language.
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Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 05:55 pm, by:  Katrina Bruns (Katrina) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have to agree with Callum. We are having the same problem here in the US. The 4wd SUV's are getting bigger, and stupid people are insisting on driving them and being dangerous idiots who are endangering the rest of us on the road!!
Luke Middleton
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Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 08:50 pm, by:  Luke Middleton (Spook) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think you'll find allot of the current crop of SUV's cater for a specific market.
I am currently looking at something similar myself.
Why, cause I need seven seats and the current range of people movers are crap.
These cars are also being tagged as 4WD's which is incorrect. They have no Hi or Low range option and are classed as AWD (all a play on words I guess)
The Tribeca as mentioned above cannot be compared to a Prado or Pajero.
And if it comes down to weight being an issue (as some have mentioned) a Kia Grand Carnival is over 2 tonnes - and what about a current XR8 Falcon at 1.8 tonnes.
I think that the weight of SUV's such as the Tribeca, Sata Fe and Captiva (can you tell what I have been looking at yet) are reasonably good considering you get alot of car with alot of space - and I need space. You try going on a long trip with three young kids crammed up against each other
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Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 09:32 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will still maintain that a "SUV" type car is more dangerous and intimidating on the roads.

For those who have to use them they should be made to partake in some sort of differentiated driving course/license so that they are /aware/ of their car.
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Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 10:22 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Luke Middleton wrote on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 08:50 pm:

XR8 Falcon at 1.8 tonnes.


I dare say it handles, accelerates and brakes a damn site better than any SUV.

Wheels/motor (or someone) did a dynamic safety test on the top 15 models in Australia. The test covered things like lane change at 100km/h, swerving and braking to avoid a pedestrian, time taken to turn left/right into 100km/h high way and real world stuff like that. The Rodeo was labelled as incredibly dangerous in these circumstances and was characteristic of all the part time and full time 4WD/AWD SUV's. Basically in accident avoidance they are a menace. Sure the driver of the SUV may survive the crash OK, but they are going to be in (or cause) a lot more of them.
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Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 07:41 pm, by:  Luke Middleton (Spook) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

An XR8 would out handle most SUV's without question. But it's a sports oriented car where as most SUV's are not set up that way.
The Rodeo, does it have stability control like the SUV models I mentioned above?
I also read that article mentioned and that was not the impression I came away with. Some sedans faired quite poorly as well.Should drivers of those poor handling sedans be made to attend special courses as well as SUV drivers.
Lets take the Territory AWD as an example. It has been widely acclaimed by motoring journalists for it's "car like handling". Would you rather be in a tricky situation driving this, or a 2 tonne FWD people mover. I know which one I'd prefer. Especially in the wet.
I guess I get cheesed when all SUV's are just written off as ill handling heavy pieces of
I'm the first to agree that some are, but most these days are not. Most have more active and passive safety features than a lot of sedans getting round.
Some buy them for the wank factor, no doubt. Some, as in my case, require the space and features that such vehicles offer. If they were that unsafe for my family and that of other road users, I would not consider one.
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Monday, January 29, 2007 - 07:56 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe a very few high end models Luke, but I've yet to drive one that has felt anything like a giant brick sitting on a sponge.
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Monday, January 29, 2007 - 11:35 am, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't quite like the exterior, prefer the Murano heaps more. However the interior is quite sexy. I've seen this car presented in a shopping centre, got to sit inside it and stuff, pretty nice layout.

As for 4WD drivers well, it's the wankers that drive them that I hate, not the 4WDs themselves. You know the ones that buy fake dirt haha. Honestly though if I was a family man with 3 or 4 kids and needed good transport for my family I'd choose a 4WD like this one over any people mover anyday. People movers look gay, $WDs at least look tougher, and have more potential to use them off road if ever need to be.

To all those people here that generalise too much, a lot of people have a need for a car like this, cannot just put them all in one basket. I personally have never had a problem with any 4WD driver and their driving. Just coz they cannot do 100 kays on a 40 kay offramp doesn't make them dangerous. If you need to criticise driver behaviour, then criticise all drivers of all cars, as you'll equally gonna find irresponsible d|ckheads in sports cars as well as in 4WDs! Now take a chill pill, coz your 4WDrivers-suck-arguments are quite retarded.
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Monday, January 29, 2007 - 08:12 pm, by:  Luke Middleton (Spook) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good post there Daniel.
That's pretty much the view I was trying to get across.
Cheers
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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 02:09 am, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No probs Luke :-)


Callum Finch wrote on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 09:32 pm:

I will still maintain that a "SUV" type car is more dangerous and intimidating on the roads.




Explain how a 4WD 'intimidates' you Callum? If by 'intimidate' you mean they scare you, by 'dangerous' do you mean you yourself get frightened so much by them you have less control over your own car? I re-read the above posts and honestly I do not understand where you are coming from. A lot of people nowadays tend to jump on the same band wagon as you, only coz they heard a story about big evil 4WD and the soccer mums driving them, on the local Today Tonight, and they believe it straight away that it is the case.


Callum Finch wrote on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 09:32 pm:

For those who have to use them they should be made to partake in some sort of differentiated driving course/license so that they are /aware/ of their car.




Yeah, there are off road courses you can take if you wish to go there, what's your point???? Otherwise they drive the same on the road, with a few limitations. Not all cars have to be sports cars handling wise.

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