Bloody hell, I feel obliged to post here again coz of all this BS I'm reading. Let's start, one by one:
David Vaughan wrote on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 03:29 pm:What if morals come from the ideas of people, like religion?
Morals are not related to religion. Yes, religious people do have morals, but people that are not religious at all have morals also. You don't need religion for you to know what is right or wrong. A lot of my friends, are not religious at all. Never been to church, do not really have any faith, just live their life, yet they have morals...
Miles Baker wrote on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 03:50 pm:The leap from homosexuality to pedophilia or bestiality is ridiculous. Homosexuality involves two consenting adults, the others do not.
Beastiality... not that I go looking at my own will, just happened to have seen some when someone was showing me. I have never seen a video of a guy rooting a pig on a beastaility website. It is always some chick getting it from a horse/pig/dog or whatever... now you can't make an animal root a girl! How can you get that animal to get its dick up, how you gonna tell it to root that girl??? The dog, or horse or whatever does on its own will coz it doesnt know better, its just an animal. But you have the animal's consent effectively!! So that argument goes out the window for you Miles.
So as far as morality goes, I still put beastiality, homosexuals and incest in the same basket. I'd put peadophilia in a seperate basket as there's no consent there. Yet all four are moraly wrong. Of course to you Miles it could be right, as your morals might not be as high as mine. Others for example may think killing a human being is ok according to their morals too. That's fine, all depends on their interpretation of what is right or not. The question though was, is it normal? It's not. And you still havent shown any proof of that.
Miles Baker wrote on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 03:50 pm:Scientific studies show that homosexuality is definitely NOT explained as a product of an environment.
What scientific studies? Actually, there's no scientific studies that prove it is genetic either. There's still no "gay gene" is there? What else can be the cause, naturally the environment! Or a mental disease...
Miles Baker wrote on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 03:50 pm:A few homosexuals I have known hated themselves because of their sexuality and would have done anything to change it. One was a devout christian. Now tell me that was a choice
Well obviously he was mentally ill, of course you get no choice whether you get mental illness or not!
Miles Baker wrote on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 03:50 pm:But of course, science and evidence are not really valued by the religious anyway.
Once again, why bring religion into this... totally irrelevant.
Miles Baker wrote on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 03:50 pm:Children of same sex parents have been studied VERY CLOSELY. They have found precisely ZERO negative effects. Foster children in same sex households have far lower incidences of child abuse.
Hahahaha, you can't seriously be that gullible!!! The beauty of statistics is that you can prove anything with them. Let me ask these questions for you:
1. Who paid for the so called study?
2. What was the sample size of both types of parents?
3. Where were those parents from, who selected the parents to be analysed.
The reason why I'm asking is firstly, if I pay someone to prove me something wiht statistics, I can easily do that. I studied statistics at uni in some units and it's amazing how you can affect the outcome. (example, all those mobilephone studies, good or bad for your health... no further comment necessary in that respect)
How many gay couples is there that are foster parents. Hmmmm, not many is there!! As far as I know, it is still a political issue. The facts are the ones that do get a child to foster, have already so been scrutinized by authorities, a lot more becasue of the political issues involved, that it will be a lot safer because of the process. Now I'm not saying heterosexuals are good people, hell there's a lot of heterosexuals that are bad people (for example thieves etc.), but it is not related to sexuality. The fact is, because heterosexuals are the majority, any negative activity will be amplified by the sheer numbers of them in the community. How many gay foster parents is there? 100? Let's work on that figure for example. How many heterosexual foster parents is there? 100,000? Now even if 1% abuse the child, it will be way more noticeable in the heterosexual pool, then the homosexual pool.
Miles Baker wrote on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 03:50 pm:Lastly, religion did NOT invent morality.
Good thing you agree that religion did not invent morality, it's what I've been saying all along that it has nothing to do with religion.
Miles Baker wrote on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 03:50 pm:It did however invent the holy war and religious discrimination. And if you're looking for a book with killing, prostitution, violence and hatred, I can't think of a better one than the bible
Haha, ok mate, now how is that relevant??? Besides, you're bible bashing now, and you call me a bigot!?!? Smell the roses Miles, your arguments are pathetic!
Oh hang on, where in the bible does it say anything about prostitution... or did you just grab some random bad words to aid in your bible/religion bashing again?
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