Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 08:55 am, by: Matthew Sharpe(Madmatt)
How can you say that Vista is anything like the 98/ME debacle? Vista has at least 5 fundamental core technology changes - total re-writes of user security, networking, display, new user interface and executive processes (memory and task managers etc) not just a half assed cosmetic muck up and removal of DOS tools like ME.
Sure its an interim step to Vienna, but its much much more than a cosmetic upgrade to XP.
Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 09:18 am, by: Leon Wright(Techman)
Easily What happens when you release and OS, then soon after release another one? Only OEM Machines run it and not well at that. A service pack *may* get released and usually it takes 2 for M$ to get their acts together.
So people that spend there time fixing them (people like me) have to deal with the aftermath of an orphan operating system, that has no updated support and very unstable.
Vista User Security = Joke and a UI isn't a core operating technology, it's bling! There are other core technologies like DRM that have been further grained into the OS (but I will leave that discussion for another Soap box )
Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 11:33 am, by: Matthew Sharpe(Madmatt)
Last I heard Vienna wasn't scheduled for release until 2009, so its hardly soon. Remember XP to Vista was the longest delay between any two releases of Windows.
Vista's main problem with security seems to be that its now overly fussy and frustrating with the constant interruptions it introduces, even when you have local admin rights, and I'd say a lot of it is unnesissary. Some of the other stuff IS a big deal too though - IPv6 integration, DRM (yay for the f*ck up they seem to have made of that!), use of 3D in Aero (yeah, its just bling, and I'd even argue pointless bling, but it would have still taken a lot of work!)
I have to say from the little I've used it, it does seem like a good release - but I'm not running it on my own laptop yet - like you I'll wait for the service pack. As a developer I'm more interested in .net framework version 3.
Actually with Vienna's new filing system and integrated database I bet it'll bring a lot more headaches for you than Vista has!
The UAC has been around for years and it's been best practice to run as a limited user on *nix as long as I can remember. The reason behind not running as a limited user on XP is that it is such a pain in the ass!! Half the time you have to log out and log into the admin account to do anything, It's practically useless.
I'm actually quite tired of M$ taking everyone else's ideas, implementing them and acting like a 2 year old screaming "look at me mummy, mummy... mum! look look! I'm so good aren't I!!"
Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:45 pm, by: Jeff Wilkins(Calin)
How much of a big deal is IPv6 integration...really?
Is IPv6 going 'live' (worldwide use) next year? no. The year after? no. In fact its roll-out (if it can be called that) is not realistically foreseeable in the next 5-10 years.
Do you think WFS will be ready for Vienna? Possibly, though I wouldn't hold my breath.
Networking improvements? Network usage has increased 10 fold, Vista just does not stop babbling over your network. Its only groovyness is the fact that, yes it does map your network very prettily; but is it worth the flood of traffic?
As for its graphical beauty, its presenting nothing that wasn't already available for linux ages ago. Linux even managed it with nowhere near the processor usage. 'Aero' survived nearly 3 days on my Vista install before being canned.
Having now killed both of my Vista professional installs and reverted to XP / fedora. Theres is only one thing I miss from Vista, the notepad widget in the sidebar (yes I realise I can get this for xp. Cant be bothered).
UAC had one absolutely fantastic thing going for it. Disabling it took seconds.
Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 08:39 pm, by: Leon Wright(Techman)
Lol, who knows when IPv6 will go live, but I know for one it's going to be a hell of a lot of work. I guess it will be like the Y2K stuff, it will get down to the last couple of thousand ip's and someone will pipe and say "hey guys, oh bugger... is that IPv6 ready yet?"
Had hardware failure on my home server, but no stresses, shoved the hard drive in another machine I had lying around and i was back up and running within 10 minutes. Not a single change required, no kernel recompiles, not even a config file to change. Thank god I wasn't running windows, it wouldn't have been happy, removing drivers, cleaning the registry, may have worked, but wouldn't be stable till it got rebuilt!!