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Alen Sadikovic
TryHard
VIC
Soarer GTT
Posts: 365
Reg: 10-2006
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last night was one of the worse nights i have ever experienced. i was sitting in a take away shop, 10m away from the area where the pepper got sprayed by the cops, and i almost chocked to death in the take away shop because the pepper spray was in the air. how the hell is that stuff even legal.
then later on the cops sprayed the wrong people and 5 of my mates got the pepper right in their eyes. one of my mates was in a head lock and got thee pepper in his both eyes while the other ***head that had him in the head lock got pulled away and they let him go.
honestly we could barley walk and those pigs kept following us and abusing us. no fkn shi**t one of the cops pushed me and told me to fu**k off while i was carrying a mate away from them.
we spend more then 30mins trying to wash the pepper off in the end we had to call the ambulance and they gave us some eye drops.
i am shocked by the action taken by the police. they are supposed to use that crap in worse case scenario not fkn spray the damn thing in a crowed off ppl trying to brake up a fight.
for f***k sakes they handled the crowds at chasers every saturday night better than what they did last night.
then they walked past us in the car park as we are trying to recover hour later and they walked past us like they were proud of it
no wonder ppl fkn hate them. |
Dave Billings
DieHard
Louisiana
SC 300, 2JZE, 5 Speed
Posts: 884
Reg: 06-2007
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Yeah mate, we know how you feel, nothing new!! |
Brian Timms
DieHard
New South Wales
TT Soarer Goodness.
Posts: 814
Reg: 12-2006
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Put in a formal complaint and see what happens, but if there was a fight, I dont see you winning 
Sucks to be the lower end of the chain, even though we are all meant to be equal.
B. |
Joshua Rao
TryHard
WA
2JZ-GE
Posts: 312
Reg: 09-2006
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Common police action my friend. There all wanks that must have got bullied in primary school. |
Gary Rollason
Tinkerer
Qld
TT
Posts: 43
Reg: 05-2007
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Mate, that sucks!!
But seeing you're in Victoria, you're probably lucky they didn't just shoot you!!
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Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 3246
Reg: 10-2005
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Personally I think if I was having to deal with the same sh*t, young idiots fighting every weekend, I'd soon get cynical and spray first and ask questions later too.
Doesn't make it right, but its understandable. |
Miles Baker
DieHard
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 999
Reg: 08-2005
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I know what you mean Matthew. Melbourne's getting worse and worse.. with the amount of unprovoked fights I have heard about lately, I just don't bother going to clubs any more. It's not worth it anyway..
Still doesn't make what the cops did right, but I'm thinking about moving somewhere where it's just not an issue. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 3247
Reg: 10-2005
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Its kinda the same everywhere though.
One of the guys here just came back from Surfers after visiting his son in hospital there - a group of teens beat him into a coma a couple of weekends back.
Same weekend here in Auckland a young father was also beaten to within an inch of his life - all captured on survalance cameras and splashed on the news the next day. They kept coming back and kicking him in the head even though he wasn't moving any more. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1001
Reg: 08-2005
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Yeah I mean maybe some other country or culture. I'm sick of it. And the bloody price of living over here is more expensive than far more prestigious cities. What also gives me the sh!ts about going out in Melbourne is you have to wait in line for 10 minutes, then go through some kind of interview process to be allowed to pay a ridiculous amount just to get in. Then you get in and it's a bunch of 20 year olds standing around sinking $10 vodkas and staring at each other, waiting for a chance to be aggressive.
At least in a lot of other countries you don't get the "we're doing you a favour letting you pay us to come in our sh!thole club" attitude, which is just there to evoke some kind of exclusive impression.. and in other countries you get decent service when you're in the place, you don't get hassled, and you can have some fun.
I've had a few friends come back from Spain and say good things. |
Daniel Czechowski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
Soarer GT-T (sold ) & IS300 Sports Luxury
Posts: 3233
Reg: 07-2005
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Ouch! Sorry to hear Alen, sh|t like this jsut makes you hate cops more and more.
I never pay for clubs always try to turn up before the time they start charging... would rather spend that 10 or 20 bucks on drink haha.
Those problems are everywhere though. I've been lucky in the last 10 years or so I've never got myself into trouble, though there were a few close calls. Despite all the sh|t you hear in the news, I still feel safe walking around in those places haha. Whether I enjoy being surrounded by drunk and loud yobs is another thing... |
Alen Sadikovic
TryHard
VIC
Soarer GTT
Posts: 366
Reg: 10-2006
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Miles Baker wrote on Monday, December 10, 2007 - 11:38 am:What also gives me the sh!ts about going out in Melbourne is you have to wait in line for 10 minutes, then go through some kind of interview process to be allowed to pay a ridiculous amount just to get in. Then
yep dead straight, and its more like 1 hour wait. we had to go through something like a attitude test at the doors with the damn security guards, it was like 20 questions bull ••••• he let us in after embarrassing us in front of everyone calling us guy and stuff coz we had no chiks.
if i wanted to hang out with my girl friend, i dont think i would be going clubing, what would be the point. the whole point of going out with the boys is to get a break from them. |
Keenan Edinger
TryHard
WA
UZZ31 GT-L V8
Posts: 115
Reg: 02-2006
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Pretty much cops & bouncers = major power trip
Thats the only reason why they do it.....
Plus, in the case of bouncers, they'd never be able to get a real job anyway... |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1004
Reg: 08-2005
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Agreed, hate going clubbing with gf. I would rather stay home and watch tv. |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 3651
Reg: 09-2005
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Joshua Rao wrote on Monday, December 10, 2007 - 04:54 am:There all wanks that must have got bullied in primary school.
You will prolly find its the other way around; they were the ones handing out the crap in highschool.
Pubs are cheaper than clubs and more social; why not pick up a pint of beer rather than some crazy mixed drink? =P |
Daniel Czechowski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
Soarer GT-T (sold ) & IS300 Sports Luxury
Posts: 3235
Reg: 07-2005
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Yeah I'm with Callum on that one. Although it may be a sign of getting older you know, can't be bothered being up and dancing till 4am so would rather sit down like a grandpa and have a yarn hahaha. j/k Yeah, pubs FTW! |
David Hill
Tinkerer
SA
V8
Posts: 28
Reg: 03-2007
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Sorry guys, but I think pepper spray is one of the best tools police have. I have been sprayed quite a few times now, it was part of my training, and I'm a cop.
As Matthew said earlier in this thread, if you have to work the streets, and where most people are trying to get away from fights etc, we are expected to run forward and protect people who just want to enjoy themselves. We do not get paid nearly enough for this service and to be honest, if it looked like there was a potential of me getting injured during the course of duty trying to break up a fight, I'd spray first too.
At this stage of my career I have not sprayed anyone, however when the time comes, I won't hesitate.
To those of you that believe that all cops are w**kers, well you are free to believe whatever you want. However just know that each of us are individuals, and unless you have met me and I have dealt you a bad hand, then quite frankly, you can't make that statement about ALL cops. It's about as stupid as me saying "All plumbers are f**kwits", because the last time I had my bathroom fixed, he ripped me off and didn't fix the leak anyway.
That's just my two cents worth. |
David Hill
Tinkerer
SA
V8
Posts: 30
Reg: 03-2007
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Having said that, some cops definitely are w**kers.
As you have been urged by other people on this site, if you do feel hardly done by, lodge a complaint with the Police Complaints Authority (I'm assuming that every state have the same sort of set up as SA). |
Daniel Czechowski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
Soarer GT-T (sold ) & IS300 Sports Luxury
Posts: 3237
Reg: 07-2005
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David, no disrespect to you or anything, but seriously your comment of spraying first, asking question later is, well, I don't agree with it. Why? Well, because then no one would be willing to go up to a fight and try to seperate it, because they know they'll be risking getting sprayed sooner or later. What if someone is getting the crap beaten out of them. I can tell you many people will sit there and try to decide whether to go and save the dude from getting kicked in the head for example and at the same time get sprayed, or just walk away... that is not the sort of attitude you should have when you come up to do policing on the streets. Keep in mind, lots of fights are started by some drunken/drugged up losers, on an innocent victim. Why should the poor victim cop the spray too? Why should the innocent crowd around cop a spray? Had you not been a police officer, and I got sprayed by you spraying someone else, I would sure as hell charge you with assault...
I'm not saying your work is easy, but cops should not be so trigger happy... |
Peter Nitschke
JunkFilterer
South Australia
GT4.0 V8
Posts: 8580
Reg: 11-2004
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Daniel, as usual it seems you have misread the post in order to make a point.
"if it looked like there was a potential of me getting injured during the course of duty trying to break up a fight, I'd spray first too."
This is not the same thing as "spraying first, asking questions later"
David's comment implies that an assessment has been made of the situation, and that it is likely he will get injured. An injured cop won't be much use trying to restore order to the situation.
You might as well slag the airlines for suggesting that a parent grab the oxygen mask before putting them on the children, even though the reasons for doing so are actually very sound. |
Daniel Czechowski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
Soarer GT-T (sold ) & IS300 Sports Luxury
Posts: 3238
Reg: 07-2005
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There's always a potential to get injured, even before you approach them. You will only know once the guy turns on you, at which you are free to spray as much as you like, and if that happens, the potential becomes closer to certainty. I think this was more to do with spraying them first... ah well, maybe he can clarify it.
I don't understand how your airline thing fits in with this though... You don't hurt other people standing close by in the process. |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 3655
Reg: 09-2005
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Hear hear, David.
There are always going to be bad eggs in any profession but how many professions involve putting yourself in danger to get others out?
There aren't many but it seems that the only ones people want to glorify these days is the armed forces.
Put it this way; if you were getting picked on buy a couple of bogans or misfits and got in to a fight, would you rather cop sore eyes for a couple of hours/day to have it broken up, or would you rather have bruises, cuts and potentially broken bones which will take longer to recover from?
Again, of course there will be some people who ruin it for others or give a negative spin to something but at the end of the day there is a lot of behind the scenes work that goes on to make Australia a safe place to live. =)
If you dont like it then perhaps someone who lives in London or LA can give an idea on how things are different. |
Alen Sadikovic
TryHard
VIC
Soarer GTT
Posts: 368
Reg: 10-2006
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Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 08:43 pm:"if it looked like there was a potential of me getting injured during the course of duty trying to break up a fight, I'd spray first too."
NO DISRESPECT, but
you are risking your self of getting injured during duty everyday 24/7, does that mean you get to spray, shoot, or belt anyone or anytime as you please because your at the risk of getting injured????
i think police officers should handle situations in the most professional manner as possible knowing their risks and what they are doing, not going nuts at people or just acting like a c**t as seen on the thread above. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo
Vic
66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 73 Corvette 4sp T-Tops
Posts: 1010
Reg: 08-2005
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Daniel Czechowski wrote on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 01:29 am:I don't understand how your airline thing fits in with this though...
That would be because you lack logic and reason. |
Brian Timms
DieHard
New South Wales
TT Soarer Goodness.
Posts: 823
Reg: 12-2006
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I agree with David, you cant tarnish all cops as 'bad eggs' when it's only a select few the give the rest a bad name.
I have more than my fair share of run-ins with Police, usually I dont get dealt a bad hand, but sometimes I do.
I work closely with Police in my role as SES personell, and it's easy to pick the good and the bad, even from their walk as they approach the car.
Monday I was given a formal cautioning after flashing my high beams at a guy in front of me that was dumping oil from the engine bay, this annoyed me, but I basically returned the officer the same respect he gave to me (fckall).
I also got defected for white LED parking lights on my Soarer, the officer claimed they where blue, and as such where non-ADR compliant, I had that thrown out in court when I provided the packaging to the magistrate as evidence. The other officer never showed up either.
When I was at Bathurst for the races, I was being friendly with the hill-top fuzz, and made a joke about one of them being the maintenance man with the toolbox he was carrying, another 'little' cop came over and laughed it up in my face sarcastically telling me how funny I was, and then a drunk guy came over and slogged him right in the mouth, put him on his arse, and vanished off into the crowd (Karma).
But, there are plenty of decent cops, the ones that are not on power trips, that dont have fat heads and over-sized ego's, and these guys are genuinely decent people, they are on the force to improve the community, to help and assist, and to uphold the law.
And as David said, if there is a situation where they believe the pepper spray will save the situation, or make it safer for them, then they will use it.
The golden rule with Policing (and SES, Ambo, Fire fighters, etc) is to protect yourself before you protect the others, your not going to be able to help others if you get injured yourself).
And trust me on this, they do extensive training on the use of all their items, from battons, to guns, and pepper spray, and pretty much every cop will know first hand what pepper spray feels like, and it's not good stuff to get in your eyes.
B. |
Daniel Czechowski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
Soarer GT-T (sold ) & IS300 Sports Luxury
Posts: 3239
Reg: 07-2005
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ANd just to clarify, most of my experiences with cops, whether traffic or otherwise, have been good. There has been a few dickheads on power trips who I had encountered, however not enough to brand all cops as dickheads on powertrips.
Miles Baker wrote on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 09:26 am:That would be because you lack logic and reason.
In order to spare others from your bullsh|t, I'll say it short and sweet so your deadbrain understands, fu(k off Miles! |
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