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Mike Beck
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Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 08:03 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After following the coverage of the Australian fires over the last couple of days, I was informed through my school that one of our key teachers evolved with operating the computer systems... was recently faced with the news that 5 of his Australian relations had fallen as victims to these tragic, wasteful and shockingly deliberate fires at their home.

In spite of that news, I genuinely hope no members here on Soarer Central or their family/friends have been effected in any shape or form through the path of the fires.

If you have any thoughts on this event please feel free to comment.
Ben Daniel
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Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 11:02 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Altho my family is from Victoria, none of our relatives live over their so I cant say I know anyone whos been affected by this tragedy. A lady from work has her whole family in Vic and they have lost everything. Its sad really :-( I have donated some money.. it wasn't much but yeah, better than just sitting here thinking about it I guess.

It definitely makes Ash Wednesday look like a bonfire
Peter Callegari
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 01:05 pm, by:  Peter Callegari (Peterc_69) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for your thoughts guys. I live about 5km's from where the fires are and know a lot of people that have lost their homes and their families. Some of the personal stories of the ones that survived are horrific. There is a lot of support coming from everywhere, but there are so many people left with absolutely nothing. I have a very close family friend from kinglake that survived but is living in the community centre with 300 odd people and the salvation army and red cross just can't cope with the demand for food, clothing, basically anything and everything that is needed to get through another day. If any one wants to donate anything these people will greatly appreciate it. Just keep everyone in your prayers and thoughts.
Adam Barry
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 01:10 pm, by:  Adam Barry (Acdchook) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Now the most important question of all...
Did any Soarers get lost in the blaze???
Carlo Cervo
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 01:35 pm, by:  Carlo Cervo (Chomp) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

{Adam Barry,Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 01:10 pm,Now the most important question of all...
Did any Soarers get lost in the blaze???

are you kidding me adam MANY people have lost their lives, loved ones and homes and "THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION IS" did a soarer get burnt. you insensitive person. how would you feel if you lost your WHOLE family and home. then some IDIOT asked you "is your car ok". you should think about what you write. and if someone lost their soarer i'm damn sure they would not be worrying about it while the fires are STILL burning and killing friends and neighbours. i feel sorry for if your car is the most important thing in your life maybe one day you might reconsider this.
David Vaughan
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 02:43 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Humour may be ill-timed but it is as good a response as any to disaster and despair. If you have made a contribution and don't live in the area, what are you supposed to do? Cover yourself in sackcloth and self-flagellate?

I appreciate your sentiments Carlo, but if you think Adam was serious and should be punished for it, get a life yourself.
Carlo Cervo
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 03:30 pm, by:  Carlo Cervo (Chomp) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

not saying that at all david i am saying think about what you post before hand
Adam Barry
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 04:21 pm, by:  Adam Barry (Acdchook) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Carlo Cervo wrote on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 03:30 pm:

think about what you post before hand


I thought about it, I found it funny, so I posted it. Sorry if your sense of humour is so un-Australian that you can't appreciate a joke about some unfortunate events.
Miles Baker
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 05:00 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I see nothing wrong with Adam's post.

However I do think Carlo's posting of a red smiley with flames going up its face is particularly insensitive and he should be banned immediately. How dare you make fun of people whose heads are on fire.
Kate Green
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 05:32 pm, by:  Kate Green (Mischief) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

At my work area there are a dozen or so TV screens, the largest one is right in in front of me. The various news channels as you can imagine are covering these terrible bushfires constantly. I am fighting back the tears for a lot of my shift as I am just overwhelmed by the sadness of what everyone is going through. I am so drained by the end of my shift from listening to the tragic interviews with people who have lost friends and relatives, particularly the kids. Like every other Aussie, I can't comprehend it. In addition to everything else, what got to me last night was the white pony that had been burnt on his mane and muzzle. I had to do a lot of blinking to stop from crying. My thoughts and prayers go to everyone, including the firies, police, support staff and the ADF, who has the horrific task of looking for bodies. I was going to buy some clothes this week, now I am going to put that money towards a donation because a lot more people need clothing than I do.
Jeff Smith
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 06:05 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My thoughts go out to those that have fallen and to those that have lost..... When the government hands out $950 to everyone I will be donating the full amount to this cause... I don't need this money and to give to someone in need is more important! I am proud to be australian and I'm going to do my bit... I would like to think that other member's of our club do the same.... Yeah! Right now I have big bills to pay(like most) but I have a house/car and my family... $950 wont change my life but those in this tragedy it will... Please all at least donate something out of that handout that the government shouldn't give to us...
Miles Baker
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 06:12 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know who the donation should go to or what the point is. Most of the bloody charity organisations only end up getting a quarter of the money to the people, and not right now when it's needed. As far as I can see, insurance and Centrelink are writing cheques pretty quickly and Rudd has promised to rebuild everything no matter the cost.

I gave some cash to a mate who knows people whose place burned down. He is going to go shopping with them and buy their kids some school clothes. That's fine - 100% of the money gets there right now. Beyond that I worry that some asshole is getting rich off these donations. I think they are pretty well taken care of for money now, it's help other than money that they probably need and probably won't get :-( I also am sad that the week before, I think it was 70 people died from the heat and the power going out. Noone is crying for them. It made one headline and noone gave a crap. A ferry tipped over and 300 something people drowned. Barely made about the tenth page of the paper. No appeal for them :-(

With all the money the government is handing out and people are giving, I would hate to see the survivors feeling guilty that all of their towns are rebuilt better than before, at the cost of their mates.
Miles Baker
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 06:18 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How about we put our money and effort towards making sure this doesn't happen again? Lobby the government to make people build fire cellars and get the authorities doing seasonal back burning again.

A while back Brumby wrote a letter to Rudd asking for a bushfire warning system. Rudd ignored it and Brumby didn't follow it up. We built a tsunami warning system though. Once again the government has failed our people. People in the bush weren't warned properly.
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 07:10 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Adam Barry wrote on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 04:21 pm:

I thought about it, I found it funny, so I posted it. Sorry if your sense of humour is so un-Australian that you can't appreciate a joke about some unfortunate events.


Your a tool Adam. Seriously. No wonder your a loner.
Adam Barry
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 07:39 pm, by:  Adam Barry (Acdchook) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Geez, did I touch a nerve or what??? No need to take everything so seriously all the time, people!
Rod Iseppi
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 08:06 pm, by:  Rod Iseppi (Rod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

its saddening to hear whats going on over there, and all those affected have my condolences. as bad it is it could have been alot worse. i feel for those now who have to sift through the charred houses for bodies and identify them, its a terrible thing to have to do. top praise goes out to the firefighters, police, troops and everyone else thats helping with the situation.

adam - way too soon mate....

carlo - you havnt been here long enuff to know wat adams like - thats just the way he is...

ben - give it a break, the problems sorted, no need for that sort of crap...
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 08:33 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry Rod, I just can't stand insensitivity. Yeah, jokes will surface about this but the fires haven't even stopped and he didn't even show any care to whats happened, just went straight to a stupid joke.
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 08:40 pm, by:  Michael Fabian (Mf_sc300) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is it just me, or has there been a lot of name calling and analyzing of peoples comments.

If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say it.

PS- My thoughts are with the people who have been affected by this disaster.
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 11:01 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Somehting heartwarming in amongst all this (and please dont look for a pun in that)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35FT5DymIHU
Miles Baker
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 11:29 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ben it's not like his joke was offensive. You act like he made a joke about sending marshmallows as food aid or something. F*ck lighten up a bit. A little levity in a bad situation is an Australian tradition am I wrong?
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 01:55 am, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry guys, im having a hard time finding little things funny at the moment, I have my reasons, please forgive me.

I just thought the timing was piss poor.
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 08:29 am, by:  Carlo Cervo (Chomp) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wow i may not know adam irrespective of how long i have been here i(personal opinion) think it was very insensitive
Tim Ross
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 01:43 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The comment in question could probably be a bit easier excused if it were actually funny.
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 02:15 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Instead of crucifying someone that has made a lighthearted although probably inappropriate comment, why not put all that energy into organising a collection or something for the victims of the bushfires through here.
Seriously some of you guys are like lemmings, one jumps in and all the rest follow.
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 03:56 pm, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Miles Baker wrote on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 11:29 pm:

You act like he made a joke about sending marshmallows as food aid or something.





Oh the ROFLing!! :-) :-) :-)
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 05:58 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree Jeff, whilst I made commentary on it, I personally couldnt care less about the comment.

I sometimes get the impression there are people on this forum who just arent happy unless they are whinging or bitching about something.

Hell, I tried to change the mood of the thread a little and not even a bite... its as if some of these people are interested in focusing on negatives rather than positives
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 06:47 pm, by:  Mike Bradberry (Halflife) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Humour can be dangerous thing.
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 06:57 pm, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry, but people who know me know im a joker and like to have a laugh but I dont think people realise the severity of the situation and how this might be affecting the people involved, the fire's haven't even stopped and people are making jokes and I just think thats lame.
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 06:58 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You're my hero Tim. You are the wind beneath my wings.
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 07:13 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I do not wish to appear lemming-like in opposing Ben's view, but I wonder if Ben realises that other people might indeed realise the severity of the situation and how this might be affecting the people involved? I can not speak for Ben's personal situation or how his friends or relatives may have been affected but neither has he, and nor do I think he should.

I can imagine someone writing in 1940, "There's a war on. People are dying pointlessly. No jokes until 1945 please."
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 08:02 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well said Mr.Vaughan.

I work for Olex cables (NZ), which is a division of Olex Australia.

3 of the employees of Olex Australia have lost their homes as a result of the fires, to date no employees of Olex Australia have lost their lives,

A LOT of Olex AU's employees are members of the Fire Brigade on a voluntary basis, and have been ACTIVELY involved since the onset.

WE employees in NZ have taken up a collection to aid Olex AU employees affected by the flagration, and had NO hesitation in doing so.

If Adam wants to add a little humor in to the situation, so be it.

It is all too common these days to be a triffle "Precious" about what should, and should not be said.................FFS!, lighten up!.

YES, the fires are still burning, YES the TRUE death toll will not be known for some time.............BUT, lighten up!.......for Christs sake!

Whether you like it OR NOT!.............People CAN flee if they are given sufficient warning.............the animals can not!.

I have been reduced to tears by pictures of the Australian wildlife crawling on burnt and blistered limbs, trying to escape a situation that they do not understand!.

YES, we've all seen pics of "Sam" the rescued Koala, and may she have a speedy recovery, along with all the other wild life that doesn't make it in the NEWS, but can we for once STOP taking "Pot shots" at other members for their sense of humor (or lack there of!) in the current circumstances.

I support TOTALLY what David Vaughan says (above).....If half of you clowns had a remote understanding of War and sacrifice, you would be a LOT more circumspect with what you write.

If you disagree............TOUGH
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Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 11:42 pm, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Upload


Thats not water.

















That's marinade :-)
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Friday, February 13, 2009 - 01:52 am, by:  Hakan Pasha (Hakanpasha) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was in Marysville a few weeks before the bushfires hit...

To think its all gone now....
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Friday, February 13, 2009 - 08:43 am, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And lets not forget the appeals for the people in north Queensland, they are having a bloody tough time as well, maybe not in lives lost but many have houses and property ruined.
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Friday, February 13, 2009 - 08:44 am, by:  Rod Iseppi (Rod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hmm if only there was a way to drain the water from QLD down to NSW an Vic....
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Friday, February 13, 2009 - 02:31 pm, by:  Adam Barry (Acdchook) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They already drained a heap of water from a pond in Adelaide - didn't seem to help much.
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Friday, February 13, 2009 - 03:47 pm, by:  David Brunt (Dbrun) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I understand the severity of it all. My parents were both born in that area, I have lots of family scattered throughout that area, some who have lost everything and some who lost nothing. My old man was a Bushy for 32years and started out in Bendigo doing it. i'm very grateful for all of the thought people have given, and at the same time I'm grateful for the attempts at lightening the mood. Everyone is going to react differently but i believe that most people who are caught up in this mess would welcome the light hearted humour opposed to the constant "Our thoughts are with you". They don't need a constant 24hr reminder, they have that there right in front of them.

As it is I'm still waiting to find out if my family are in the "unidentifiable" if you want to make a joke and get my mind off it for a while, then thanks. If you don't want to make a joke then don't. It's quite a simple decision really.
Adam Peterson
Goo Roo
Western Australia
Supercharged & Intercooled V8

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Friday, February 13, 2009 - 04:02 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

RIP to all who have lost their lives in this tragic event.
For those who survived, lets hope for a speedy recovery and get back on your feet asap.

I personally experienced Ash Wednesday so lets hope nothing like this happens again !
Nathan Sheehan
TryHard
Victoria
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Tuesday, February 17, 2009 - 03:40 pm, by:  Nathan Sheehan (Soarermad1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with Mr.Vaughan, if he had said something like 'the roof the roof the roof is on fire, we dont need no water let the mother burn' then I could understand that as harsh and without thought but it was a light hearted joke about soarers...on a SOARER website.

Lets face the facts....this is regional victoria, bush country...you cant drive a soarer properly in the bush so there probably isn't any :-) maybe if you attached a bullbar, big mud flaps, truck stacks, spotlights and 4WD. Come on guys keep your hateful/vengeful comments to yourself instead of flaming the board up and turning people off posting.

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