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Adam Brown
TryHard
QLD
Volvo S60T, Soarer TT Manual - Sold
Posts: 270
Reg: 07-2005
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Hi everyone. I'm opening this up to the trusted opinion of Soarer Central. Following the sale of my beautiful manual soarer, i'm thinking of doing a project car, something i can tinker away with in the shed to fill that void the soarer left. I'd like to get involved in some sprint racing, as well as track days, and even trying a bit of drift. So here is my criteria:
-Lightweight
-Rear wheel drive
-Cheap! (both initially and on-going)
-Easily available parts.
-Preferably Japanese.
I've thought about a few options, one being an AE86 sprinter and fitting it with a 4AGZE or similar sort of engine. Another being an S13 Silvia manual (CA probably for price).
I don't want the initial outlay for the car to be much more than say $4000, and i don't necessarily think i'll register it.
Give me your suggestions. |
Rod Iseppi
DieHard
wa
86 chev silverado with 6.0L and T56 goodness ... 
Posts: 871
Reg: 01-2006
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sigma..... put a 4AGE in it.... |
Brenton Trafford
DieHard
SA
V8 Limited - UZZ31
Posts: 956
Reg: 08-2005
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Volkswagen Beatle. Barge the engine, chop the roof and put moonies on it ;) |
Myles Jantzen
Tinkerer
SA
SC 400 V8
Posts: 37
Reg: 08-2008
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If your going the beetle way............. should strip it make a rollcage and then chuck
in a modified volvo 850 T5 Engine (easy 300hp) and will be rear engine and rear wheel drive 
If your going jap i would stick with nissan's (180,silvia, etc) or maybe a old supra,soarer, mr2. |
Matt Sartori
TryHard
Western Australia
Rx7
Posts: 185
Reg: 08-2008
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Go a 1st gen rx7
though i might be a tad biased, very light, rear wheel, cheap, Engine bits are easy to find, and its japanese!
Only downside is body parts are hard to come buy, and if the engine hasn't been taken care of expect a rebuild to be done (If it hasn't had one already)
If you're just looking for a thrasher they're great little cars, 12a is lacking a whole lot of power so if you can, find one thats already had a 13b or 13bt conversion |
Adam Brown
TryHard
QLD
Volvo S60T, Soarer TT Manual - Sold
Posts: 273
Reg: 07-2005
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Thanks for the suggestions guys,
I have a couple more of my own:
MA61 Supra
RA23, RA40, RA60 Celica. |
Joshua Rao
Goo Roo
WA
JZZ30 vvti GT-L, 94 TT manual (being wrecked), Legnum VR4
Posts: 1596
Reg: 09-2006
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Stripped manual JZZ30 FTW! You can bring a race only one over for under 5k then sell interior etc and you should be around the 4k mark. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5010
Reg: 03-2006
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Drop a 1JZ into a S13 SIlvia Lots of suspension and brake upgrades for the S13 series nissan, and the 1JZ is alot more reliable than the Rb's
Light car, go hard , go home |
Adam Barry
DieHard
WA
UZZ31 Soarer, BF Falcon Work Ute
Posts: 689
Reg: 08-2005
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Rod Iseppi wrote on Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 09:45 pm:sigma..... put a 4AGE in it....
Make that a 4A-GZE.  |
Aaron Mead
Goo Roo
NT
Celsior 1UZ-FE Mines, JZZ30 1.5JZ-GTE To4z
Posts: 2345
Reg: 03-2006
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Im with Senoir Clarke: get a silvia. 180sx or whatever, insert 1/2/1.5J and get everything you need, every single little bit of anything at all, straight off the shelf. Just don;t try to be original, because its all been done.
Try japanesemotorsport.com.au for complete cars, you can get a well setup drifter or a well setup circuit car for a lot less thatn what its gonna cost you to do your self.
I mean id love to see a toyota project, but too many silvias on the road means better everything available. Unless you are en engineering type bloke, stick with whats proven.
••••••• datsuns  |
Aaron Mead
Goo Roo
NT
Celsior 1UZ-FE Mines, JZZ30 1.5JZ-GTE To4z
Posts: 2346
Reg: 03-2006
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as for drift OR circuit, pick one, becuase they at opposite ends of the suspension setup and hardware scale. |
Adam Brown
TryHard
QLD
Volvo S60T, Soarer TT Manual - Sold
Posts: 275
Reg: 07-2005
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Probably more likely sprints and circuit. Wouldn't mind trying drift, but just for giggles. |
David Henderson
Tinkerer
Nsw
TT
Posts: 87
Reg: 08-2007
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I 3rd Daniel, 1jz Silvia. Easy parts and panels, sweet chassis + light weight + 1jz torque = winner |
Ty Mackay
DieHard
WA
Soarer TT 1jz-gte
Posts: 552
Reg: 01-2009
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the 1jz can fit into the S13's? •••• might have to look into that myself |
James Harris
Goo Roo
QLD
GT Starlet
Posts: 2776
Reg: 07-2005
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There are a few s13s getting around with the RB25 in them which is a decent engine.
Would be easier to pick up one of those i would think, great fun to drive also with the RB installed (mate has one).
Just dont bother with the RB20... what a pile of crap |
Aaron Mead
Goo Roo
NT
Celsior 1UZ-FE Mines, JZZ30 1.5JZ-GTE To4z
Posts: 2354
Reg: 03-2006
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Yeah, but it revs like a c*nt. Still a boat anchor though
Theres some JZ to S13 brackets for sale on US ebay, even has R154 cross member, tig welded IIRC.
ABout $350, save you a •••• load of time fabbing it yourself |
Steven Anderson
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 Manual
Posts: 349
Reg: 05-2006
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mx5 hands down, might cost you more to start, but getting a sprinter up to the same level will cost more, s13 if you want to go fast in a straight line rather than drive around the outside of people on corners.
If you start to really like it, there is a series that you can go into. Anything else puts you into IPRA which is (relatively) big $$$. |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer TT
Posts: 2178
Reg: 12-2007
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Mx5 with 1UZ V8. |
Ty Mackay
DieHard
WA
Soarer TT 1jz-gte
Posts: 555
Reg: 01-2009
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so RB25t? into an S13 would be the best way to go? |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer TT
Posts: 2179
Reg: 12-2007
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A 1jz would be better, more reliable and probably cheaper. |
Matt Sartori
TryHard
Western Australia
Rx7
Posts: 186
Reg: 08-2008
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Rob Rojo wrote on Monday, May 25, 2009 - 08:13 pm:Mx5 with 1UZ V8.
Personally i'd go a 13bt, alot more room in the engine bay and not so heavy up front. |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5016
Reg: 03-2006
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And rotaries need rebuilding every few hundred Km's when raced Matt ........ Id stick with Pistons Rotaries suck OIL and blow more Seals then Penguins in the ANtarctic ! |
Tim Ross
DieHard
Qld
6+2>8 (50RRA)
Posts: 693
Reg: 09-2007
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Peguins blow seals?... wow... must have missed that attenborough special!! |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 4319
Reg: 10-2005
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Indeed, I don't get the Wankle rotary - it was supposed to be more reliable, smooth and efficient than the piston engine, and seems to me to be an abject failure on all three counts - yet some people love them! |
Adam Brown
TryHard
QLD
Volvo S60T, Soarer TT Manual - Sold
Posts: 276
Reg: 07-2005
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I'm keeping a keep eye on a couple of cars around the place. There is a sprinter already with a 4AGZE in it for about $5k registered with mod plate. Silvias aren't that cheap in the research that i've done (even a crap one), and i know the rarity, and expense of the R154 box if i wanted to go the 1JZ option. A stripped out sprinter with a 4AGZE i still think would be a good base. Light weight, nimble, parts available.
Does anyone know much about the 4AGZE motor? Because it is a forced induction engine, can you swap the supercharger for turbo without re-building? |
Daniel Clarke
Goo Roo
NSW
TT 2.5L 6 cylinder
Posts: 5017
Reg: 03-2006
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YOu can swap it, but it does need to be rebuilt with all the goods if your planning on running decent boost from a decent turbo . The problem with the 4 cylinders is lack of Torque .
You could always get a Manual Soarer imported that cant be used on the roads pretty cheap . |
Rob Rojo
Goo Roo
NSW
Soarer TT
Posts: 2180
Reg: 12-2007
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Ichiban in Moorebank usually has plenty of Race only imports for sale such as Rx7s, Soarers, supras, 3000gt's etc usually from $4k-$10K.
http://www.ichiban.com.au/cars.htm |
Matt Sartori
TryHard
Western Australia
Rx7
Posts: 187
Reg: 08-2008
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Daniel Clarke wrote on Monday, May 25, 2009 - 10:32 pm:And rotaries need rebuilding every few hundred Km's when raced Matt ........ Id stick with Pistons :-) Rotaries suck OIL and blow more Seals then Penguins in the ANtarctic !
Only if you do some major porting, will it need to be rebuilt constantly
A stock port 13bt would have more than enough power in a Mx5 to have a bit of fun.
Rotary's suck oil because the oil is metred into the cylinders to act as lubrication for the Apex seals, it really doesn't use THAT much oil, if it is sucking through oil you have a rather large problem on your hands.
Matthew Sharpe wrote on Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 07:26 am:Indeed, I don't get the Wankle rotary - it was supposed to be more reliable, smooth and efficient than the piston engine, and seems to me to be an abject failure on all three counts - yet some people love them!
They're as reliable as any piston engine, they just require more maintaince and care. Unlike a piston engine you can't just go "Meh, ill do the service next time" and put it off for a another 10thou k's.
They need to be warmed up and cooled down etc
Rotary engines (When having a stock port) are very smooth, minimal engine vibrations and rev VERY easy due to the fact that it goes round and round, and it doesnt change direction every stroke like a piston engine does.
Keep in mind a piston engine has also been around for years and has had PLENTY of research done to make it perfect. The rotary hasn't had that.
But then again, does that really matter when your car has such a unique awesome sound that no piston engine can match? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hprNIbbQ_6k&feature=channel_page
Brapbrap! |
James Harris
Goo Roo
QLD
GT Starlet
Posts: 2802
Reg: 07-2005
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http://www.prestigemotorsport.com.au/modules/stock/index.php?StockID=4757
waaaay to much for a cheap project racer though haha |
Adam Brown
TryHard
QLD
Volvo S60T, Soarer TT Manual - Sold
Posts: 279
Reg: 07-2005
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Okay, so i was driving past a local wreckers yard the other day and spotted a sprinter in the front of the yard. I had a look at it and it has drivers side front damage smashed windscreen and generally untidy. I spoke to the owner of the yard who said that the engine runs fine and that it is repairable (anything is repairable i suppose!). He said he would sell the car as is for about $1600. I thought that was a bit steep, what's the consensus? For a wrecked, unregistered car?
Have been thinking about it though. Can get fibreglass complete guards, front and rear, flared up to 40mm on yahoo auctions for about $500. Hmm.
Then i found this...
And so the dream begins... |
Adam Brown
TryHard
QLD
Volvo S60T, Soarer TT Manual - Sold
Posts: 280
Reg: 07-2005
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Oh yeah, and i did see an AE86 for sale in QLD with an RB25DET in it! |
Michael Keen
Goo Roo
nsw
Soarer TT
Posts: 1959
Reg: 10-2007
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datsun 1200 sedan with fj20det |
Michael Keen
Goo Roo
nsw
Soarer TT
Posts: 1960
Reg: 10-2007
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rb30 skyline with 1jz |
Callum Finch
Goo Roo
WA
Soarer TT & Corolla
Posts: 4466
Reg: 09-2005
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Another Datsun vote from me; 120, 180, 240, 260, 280.. they are all great looking small cars. |
Adam Brown
TryHard
QLD
Volvo S60T, Soarer TT Manual - Sold
Posts: 283
Reg: 07-2005
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Check this car out and give me your opinion. You may have to copy and paste as i don't think clicking the link will work.
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=6994401&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_RankSor t_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__N=1216%201247%201282%201252%2012 46%201622%20713%2053%20442&__Nne=3&silo=1003&PriceTo=442&seot=0&__No=22&trecs=276&__sid=121A0D8595F6
What does anyone know of the 1GGTE, and why would one go to all the effort of doing a conversion and not going 1JZGTE?
Probably bigger and heavier than what i was thinking of, but good value compared to what it would cost to build an ae86 with 4AGZE. |
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