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Ryan Posselt
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 01:46 pm, by:  Ryan Posselt (Yakusaryan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Following on from the previous speeding thread...

I would be interested to hear peoples opinion on speed limiting 'L' and 'P' platers.

(I personally believe it is downright dangerous to force people to travel up to 30km/h slower than surrounding traffic.)
Damian Ware
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 01:57 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes it is and L and P Platers were limited to 80km/hr about 30 years ago and it was removed as it was found to be of no real bennifit.

Is this being reintroduced??
Ryan Posselt
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 02:15 pm, by:  Ryan Posselt (Yakusaryan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yep its been effective in NSW for the past 5 years or so (police state)

'L' Platers limited to 80km/hr-instant 3 month disqualification if caught above

Red 'P' plates 90Km/hr - instant 3 month disqualification if caught above

Green 'P' Plates 100Km/Hr - 10 km/hr fine and demerit points as per fully licensed drivers but Green 'P' Platers only have 7 points rather than 12.
Jeff Smith
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 02:16 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I agree..
But if this was going to be something that was to happen then I really think driver training courses should also be in place for new drivers to make them feel safe and more aware of higher speeds along with understanding the caractoristics of a car and how it reacts under curtain situations..
The only time when you really know your car is when you go and do a track day or driver training,It really opens your eye's of how your car handles and also your response to it..
I think with this current stage of learning as in L's for 1 year then P's for 3 years is utter stupid..
I'd rather see it go back to the old way of 1 year L's but with driver training and then P's for 1 year providing driver training is complete.. As we already have options for driver training why not use it to better young drivers..
Yeah I agree it's a higher cost but I really think It would help the inexperienced to become better drivers...
Ryan Posselt
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 02:19 pm, by:  Ryan Posselt (Yakusaryan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

P.S 'L' platers need to do 120 Hours of supervised driving before progressing to Red 'P' plates
Jeff Smith
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 02:33 pm, by:  Jeff Smith (Mozzie) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That I am aware of but really isn't training as said.. I speak for myself but also would think others and yourself would agree.. I learnt my old mans bad habits and when it was time to go out on your own it scared the sh1t out of me.. Until I had done atleast 2 years on the road( In those 2 years I rear ended cars,wrote of one and many times reversed onto cars,Was a courier) I then had a real sense of confidence on the road.. If I was to have done driver training I know I would have had more respect for other drivers..
Damian Ware
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Friday, October 30, 2009 - 05:53 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ryan Posselt wrote on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 02:15 pm:

yep its been effective in NSW for the past 5 years or so (police state)

'L' Platers limited to 80km/hr-instant 3 month disqualification if caught above

Red 'P' plates 90Km/hr - instant 3 month disqualification if caught above

Green 'P' Plates 100Km/Hr - 10 km/hr fine and demerit points as per fully licensed drivers but Green 'P' Platers only have 7 points rather than 12.




That is the worst road law I have heard of it was removed many years ago because of the problems is caused.....

Once you have your L's you need to be able to do the speed limit otherwise you cause problems for other road users.

Sure you don't start driving at 100km/hr but a car park doing 2km/hr trying to park ect. You build up to it.
David Brunt
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Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 10:38 am, by:  David Brunt (Dbrun) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

L Platers in WA can go faster than 80. We changed the law a few years back. Personally though i think P PLaters shouldn't be able to receive the same amount of demerit points. They should be rewarded after being able to prove they can drive sensibly for a couple of years with only say 4 points, then once they're off their P's they're up with the rest. 4 points is either a few small fines or a couple of really big ones, at which case you don't deserve a licence anyway.
James Buchan
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Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 11:19 am, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Back when I was an L Plater, I was driving in Tassie and told by my aunt that the limit for an L plater was 80.

However, I just ignored this as there were no signs stating I did 80, and being from Victoria how did I know as a learner in Tassie i was supposed to do 80?

It's a stupid rule, IMO it's a hazard finding them on the freeway doing that speed and just causes anguish among other motorists.
Scott Wilkes
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Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 01:18 pm, by:  Scott Wilkes (Scottywilkes) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

living in tassie, L platers and the first year of your Ps, you are only allowed up to 80kmh, its been like this for as long as i can remember, as both my sisters had to abide by this and thats going back a good 10 years haha.

Its a stupid rule personally, as it causes problems with banking up traffic and causes people to be reckless, i can remember doin 80 on the way to my uncles, some fella tried to overtake me just before a corner, got about halfway past me and realised he wasnt gonna make it so hes slammed on te brakes, ive done the same thing thinking Crap better let him in HAHA and yeah, managed to pull back in with only metres to spare.

Not a good moment, all of which would of been avoided if i was doing the specified limit
Adam Chytra
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Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 10:07 pm, by:  Adam Chytra (Soarpra) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This L plate speed limit is an absolute farce. in NSW the number plates are the SAME FCUCKING COLOUR as the L plates. This is not helped by the fact that they are usually wedged so far under the numberplate that they are virtually invisible.

Every bloody weekend parents feel that it would be a great idea to get their kid's log book highway hours up on the road between Kiama- Nowra, and any other single lane road outside Sydney. EVERY overtaking lane runs uphill - try getting a Semi wound up to overtake, and then getting re-overtaken by the same L plater at the end of the lane, having to sit 20 k's under the limit for another 15km.

Dual carriageways are just as dangerous for this. The plates are so invisible, that you just can't see them until you're on top of them. This comes to the point where the truckies call out on the UHF 'coming up on an L plater'

This really 5hit5 me, as it's not their fault - theyr'e only following the rules. I cannot fathom how this imposed speed limit is helping anyone. Can you imagine you get out on the highway - and you feel everyone hates you. Way to build the confidence. Thanks RTA

Road safety in NSW is an absolute JOKE
Ryan Posselt
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Monday, November 02, 2009 - 11:48 am, by:  Ryan Posselt (Yakusaryan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Brunt wrote on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 10:38 am:

They should be rewarded after being able to prove they can drive sensibly for a couple of years with only say 4 points, then once they're off their P's they're up with the rest. 4 points is either a few small fines or a couple of really big ones, at which case you don't deserve a licence anyway.




This is true but in NSW its not about points for red 'P' Platers. Rules came out in 2008 with a no mistakes policy that if a red 'P' plater gets caught breaking any road rules (speeding, not obeying no right turns etc) it results in instant 3 month disqualification.

i agree with all comments posted to date :-)

(by the way I am a full licence holder that racks up about 30,000kms a year)
Daniel Clarke
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Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:06 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes but there are people who have had a full licence for over 10 years and STILL cant drive properly Ryan !!!

Unfortunately there are many things that distract drivers nowadays ...

Talking on Mobile phones using Handset = Demerit points + fine . It is Stated it is the concentration level USED whilst on a mobile phone that causes lapses in driving concentration that causes accidents ... HOWEVER having 4 OTHER people in the car having a Screaming 5 way conversation is ok ???

Navman in the MIDDLE OF WINDSCREEN or In Corner of windscreen mounted via a F*&King Suction Cup which could cause serious injury if dislodged in an accident = a Major visual distraction = But its Allowed

A Boost guage mounted on Pillar or Dash = Permanent fixture = DEFECT in case it causes injury in an accident !!! WTF ??? ( see above )

Smoking = An item on the verge of fire in your hand and mouth whilst driving which takes concentration away if it falls and burns you = Allowed

Eating + drinking = Anything ya want, no issues

Stereo too loud = Taking away your concentration by minimising your hearing outside vehicle Infringement notice and possible defect

Handsfree Mobile kit which still means your concentrating on the conversation which minimises concentration for driving , SAME as Handset phones = Allowed

It Pissed me off that my bro got defected for a properly mounted pillar boost gauge ( integrated into the trim ) yet every who HAS to have a friggin navman has it in the middle of the windsreen ???

Next time you get pulled over, Tell them its a NAVMAN and see what they say !!! HAHahahaha

/rant off
Ryan Posselt
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Monday, November 02, 2009 - 01:04 pm, by:  Ryan Posselt (Yakusaryan) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice rant Dan :-)
Daniel Clarke
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Monday, November 02, 2009 - 01:19 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can ya tell im in a bit of a mood ? LOL , Been watchin UFC tapes as well probably hasnt helped, Hahaha .

Everyones gotta learn . You dont realise how uncourteous people are until your driving trucks !
Ali Saeed
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Monday, November 02, 2009 - 06:35 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

totally agree with you on all of those Daniel.
Matthew Sharpe
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Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 08:10 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No extra restrictions for L platers in NZ, as long as you have your learners and you have a fully licenced driver with I think, two years on their full next to you, and you haven't been drinking you are just fine to drive at the posted limits.

No such thing as P plates here, you go from the "L" on a learners licence to your restricted licence and no requirments any more for plates. You still have a few extra restrictions on what you can and cant do, like no driving at night and no driving with passengers unless you are supervised by an experienced fully licenced driver, and still a very restriced blood alcohol level, but the cops have no visual cues on the car to tip them off, so you'll only get into if you are pulled over for doing something illegal or at a check point.

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