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Ali Saeed
Goo Roo WA V8 Limited
Posts: 1409 Reg: 09-2007
| what about i like how food tastes, and its a hobby |
Jeff Harper
Goo Roo NSW UZZ32 Active V8
Posts: 1499 Reg: 07-2005
| Miles, I am curious, has anyone actually seen you to know what size you actually are? I may be 100% wrong, but I had the impression you're a recluse. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1971 Reg: 08-2005
| Jeff I have bought a few things from members.. other than that I've never met anyone on here. I don't have a Soarer any more so I don't go to any of the meets. Nor do I post pictures of myself on the internet. If you'd like a quick peep we can meet up for a private showing if ya like Recently another member has suggested we meet up and do some sport shooting together. I think that is likely to happen so you may get your wish soon of a review. For the record I am 6'5 and about 93kg at the moment. Aiden, watch out for your wrists doing that many push ups. Mine are giving me little issues now from too many years of bad wrist form on bench press. |
Aiden Cheese
TryHard QLD Soarer jzz30
Posts: 204 Reg: 09-2009
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Miles Baker wrote on Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 07:57 am:Mine are giving me little issues now from too many years of bad wrist form on bench press.
Yeah you're probably right.. I actually should see one of those gym's or personal trainers or something because it is at that point that i've probably learnt so many bad habits, rather then continue doing them for years, i should get them sorted now before i do damage.. |
Nina Smart
TryHard QLD (Gold Coast) SC400 & GT4 & NX
Posts: 124 Reg: 10-2009
| Mental stability is important when it comes to health. You have to care and have value for life to give you motivation to keep your health in check. The increase in obesity, anorexia and bulemia (and other disorders, drug use etc) will probably be relevant to the increase in mental illness, stress, abuse, suicide, divorce, financial difficulties, jobs losses etc... Because all this can easily decrease a persons value for life. But then i believe You are right Aiden in saying its all to do with a persons character, those who are strong can pull themselves out of the depths deal with their problems and regain a value for life. Others dont have that strength, support or love. So perhaps society's acceptance of the "tubby" persons could be a repercussion of the statistics? Or it could just be that there are more and more with the rebellious attitude of why should I and who cares? It even could be the media trying to minimise mental illness and suicide in teens. Trying to focus on the younger generation. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1973 Reg: 08-2005
| So why this sudden increase in "mental illness"? I don't accept it. I think people are just lazy and making some mental illness excuse for them is simply facilitating bad behaviour which is not even that hard to correct. Being fat is not "a disorder". For 99%, it's a choice. Grouping it with anorexia and bulimia cheapens those two. There is a big difference between a real eating disorder like anorexia, and people just being too lazy to get off their fat arses and onto the exercise bike. They don't have an illness, they are not victims of something out of their control. They're fat. They did it to themselves. At the end of the day they've got noone to blame but themselves. In 99% of cases I don't give a god damn what someone's boyfriend or girlfriend was acting like at the time, or how hard it was to be unemployed or whatever. If you put on the weight, the buck stops with you. You put the food in your mouth. You are the product of billions of years of evolution, with a massive brain capable of amazing sh1t and you're telling me you don't have the faculties to control what you put in your mouth because someone was being mean? Or you at least can't do it after that person is gone? Bullsh1t. Grow up. Over analysing this is stupid. Why don't we have a talk show about it, raise some public awareness, have a telethon, get the government to fund a new department of helping the poor fat people. Or they could just PUT THE FCKING BIG MAC DOWN LIKE THEY KNOW THEY SHOULD. Grow up and stop making excuses. Lose the bloody weight. Our grandparents had to go to or through WW2 when they were younger than us. We can't even maintain our own bodies in order to fit into our pants. WTF people. The actual act of losing the weight is far easier than all of this thinking and tormenting yourself over it. Control your intake of calories. Move your body. Not that hard. If you are telling me 99% of the fat people out there are incapable of either of those two, I put it to you that we should not be supporting them with our health system as they are not capable of contributing to society. Of course they are capable, they just choose not to be, and want to blame everyone else and have me pay for their heart attacks. |
Ryan Posselt
DieHard NSW Celsior V8
Posts: 584 Reg: 08-2006
| Jeezus Miles are you single? I'm not at all surprised if you are Very few women could put up with such a naive intolerant person... I agree the general population is too fat but an extra 5 kg is nothing to whine about. That photo you posted of a front bum is surely a joke? Its just a bad skirt weight rarely sits there she probably just needs to go to the loo or is a bit bloated. seriously dude you need to get out more. Obesity is BAD and needs to be changed but girls who are 5 kg over their ideal weight are fine in my book. For the record I'm a 22 yr old weighing in at 76 KG and measuring up at 6'2" (and 10" hehehe ;) ) |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1974 Reg: 08-2005
| Single? Yes. I prefer to stay single too, but that's just the way I choose to live. How does my status affect the argument that fat people should not be fat? Intolerant? Yes, absolutely. I don't tolerate any crap from anyone. Naive? No. Funny coming out of a 22 year old too. That photo is no joke. It was representative of what I saw on GNW. She was singing and they had frequent full length and shots from low angles. That should not be paraded on magazine covers as "normal" or "real". The fact that you think it is a joke shows you agree with me that it is unacceptable shape to be in. I don't want to really get into singling out one person or analysing her, except that she seems to be the poster girl for being put on magazine covers and called particularly "real", "realistic" or "normal". That is why I am objecting to her so much. It is not "5kg". Five would be great if that's all it was. People are routinely 10, 15 and 20kg overweight. Not cool. It is not kind or considerate to tell fat people they are just fine how they are. It doesn't mean you're a nice person or a better partner. |
Jol Alexander
DieHard Vic UZZ31 V8 (no mods)
Posts: 602 Reg: 07-2009
| Can we start talking about how many are superior to women again? Can we get things started with that women who take a really long time to park badly video? |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1975 Reg: 08-2005
| I don't think men are superior to women at all. I do think there is a higher rate of fatness in women in this country though. |
Perry Morgan
Goo Roo Qld UZZ32 ( V8 )
Posts: 1721 Reg: 07-2005
| Although Miles has all the tact of a sledgehammer (it's what makes him interesting and different) I gotta say, I have to agree. I ended my first marriage in part due to the other 1/2's weight gain. And before you say that it was a shallow thing to do, consider that no amount of help, advice or encouragement was wanted. It was all "picking on me". As I see it, there are two 1/2's of a relationship. Mental and physical. Well, I lost the physical side of the relationship due to the weight gain. I was not as attracted to her as I once was. Then went the mental side of it because she felt bad about her weight gain and became unhappy with herself and things in general. Apparently she could not help it because her mum was big. Well once we split, she dropped the weight (bad genes and all) and got a new man. We remained friends (my new wife, myself and my ex) and we have since watched her pile on the weight and get depressed again taking with her, her once happy boyfriend. I know it's only one example but it was interesting to see how the unshiftable weight went while she was shopping for a new guy. I think of the body as being like a car. You don't put in more fuel than you are going to use or it goes to waste (waist). Unless you are unwell, if you are putting on weight then it is simple. You are taking in more energy than you are using up. You need to educate yourself on good food and get a plan going. And if a job stops you from moving around and staying healthy or is what you blame for making you fat, GET A NEW ONE. Many jobs give you an hour break, so go to the gym like my wife does during it. Oh yeah, and Ryan, that is a hanging gut in that picture. Not overly cool. |
Damian Ware
Goo Roo Victoria UZZ32
Posts: 1195 Reg: 10-2005
| Miles is dead right. Australian society is going down the drain in a very big way. A rapid increase in weight is just a small part of this and possibly a side effect similar the so called mental health issues. This has nothing to do with genes but is a combination of lazy complacency, bad choices combined with the attitude it is someone elses fault or problem which is big change and problem across socitety. IE my bad behaving kids are due to some TV show ie blaming something else and not yourself for being a bad parent. A quick note on genes I grew up in a country town of 5000 people, of the 5000 people there was only 2 large families that I am aware of. One of the families they were all large and there children went to school with me. Whilst be particularly large she ate well from what I saw at school, excersised regularly including walking 3.5km to school every morning. She was fit strong and happy, her body language was not that of a fat person dispite her size. I would say in a town of 5000 people there was probably 10 people all up that were due to genes large. You do that math. Both my parents are school teachers, and I have seen a rapid increase in fat kids even at a very young primary school age which is a huge shock and we have seen nothing yet in relation to overweight society. |
Anika Le
TryHard SA TT 1JZ-GTE
Posts: 309 Reg: 01-2009
| That photo of the gut could have been anything. Yes she might have tummy flab but you what you don't know is that when its our time of the month, we bloat like crazy. Can't judge a book by its cover you know. Miles, whilst I respect your opinions and agree with some of them, you can be quite inconsiderate of the feelings of others. Yes you can say you're right and speaking the truth but there are ways of saying so. Why so bitter? |
Aiden Cheese
TryHard QLD Soarer jzz30
Posts: 210 Reg: 09-2009
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Nina Smart wrote on Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 09:54 am:So perhaps society's acceptance of the "tubby" persons could be a repercussion of the statistics
Its the sign of a lazy, self indulgent and selfish society. We don't want to have to worry about someone elses health issues so we ignore them. Those RUOK ads are because we don't care about other people enough. Don't worry, im just as against anorexia as i am against obesity. I cant stand tiny tiny frail women. Makes me feel like vomiting. As soon as i see bones i'm already awkward. I tend to find women of around my height weigh a slight bit more than me, thats okay as long as its on their breasts My ex used to pile on an extra 2-3kg's 5 days a month when she was in the middle of that time, luckily most of it went to her boobs too. Later on she became depressed (involved in video games so much she quit her job, stopped seeing her horse and refused to study) and piled on the KG's. The only thing i could do was send her home packing. I'm talking 15+ kg's here from 60kg to 75-80. All that went to her legs. I couldn't even look at her anymore naked without being a bit ugh. Real shame. |
Anika Le
TryHard SA TT 1JZ-GTE
Posts: 312 Reg: 01-2009
| nawww I love horses. As if she stopped seeing it. Shame on her! |
Perry Morgan
Goo Roo Qld UZZ32 ( V8 )
Posts: 1722 Reg: 07-2005
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Aiden Cheese wrote on Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 03:17 pm:im just as against anorexia as i am against obesity. I cant stand tiny tiny frail women.
What's one got to do with the other? A small built girl is not necessarily anorexic. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1977 Reg: 08-2005
| Cheers Perry and DW. I know I'm a sledgehammer, but you're right - half the interest is seeing how people answer a tactless person. I'm well aware that with the sweetened approach I could get people to agree with me but that's not what I'm into. Because years of watching that approach in the office tells me that agreement with a nice guy's argument is usually really just the opposition opinion going silent because everyone just had to agree with the well spoken one. Anika, I'm a passionate guy but I'm not really bitter. I am well aware that I am inconsiderate of others' feelings at times. This is one of those times. I believe it is too much consideration for feelings and not enough addressing the truth that has dropped this country in the sh1t it is in. And it's not just our weight. We're uncompetitive everywhere because we're just lazy. I will admit that I am fairly peeved at the proportion of single women that I meet that I *should* be attracted to if they cared to bother to do even the slightest amount of basic maintenance work on their own bodies. I make the effort to keep myself in as attractive shape as possible yet they trundle their wide loads down to the bars and clubs of Melbourne and expect men to be attracted to them. Then they get pissed off when we aren't. At 31 I am well and truly over being overly polite to people instead of honest. And so when I am engaged in conversation by someone who I am not attracted to I offer them a polite refusal. If they press the point I have no problem in saying "it's because you're fat and I feel no physical attraction towards you". Every single time I am given attitude like that is my fault. That that can happen is a problem in our society. Getting angry at me because she is fat? Wrong. All of this "it's ok to be fat it's not your fault" is getting us nowhere. If it takes some harsh words, then that's what it takes. Look at what I'm selling here: health and sexual attraction. That sh1t SHOULD sell itself. Softly softly doesn't work. It's time to yell. Fat people, you're fat. It's disgusting. Do something about yourselves, no one likes it. I'm just the only one willing to actually tell them what everyone is thinking. And what everyone is thinking is "fck! what a big fat ass". |
James Harris
Goo Roo QLD GT Starlet
Posts: 3275 Reg: 07-2005
| Im also with you on this one Miles, im sick and tired of hearing people's bullsh1t excuses. "oh im too busy..." " its my genes..." "im big boned..." " i do train heaps but still cant lose the weight..." Here are my answers: 1) Its your LIFE you chump, dont waste it by working non stop and becomming a fat lump as by the time you get to "that stage where you are financially secure" you will probably have a heart attack. 2) Bullsh1t 3) No such thing (i.e - Bullsh1t) 4) OK fair enough you are training heaps, but all you are doing is lifting weights, SURE you are getting strong but you are a still a wreck. If you wanna shed kilos get into some INTERVAL training. \thread |
Anika Le
TryHard SA TT 1JZ-GTE
Posts: 313 Reg: 01-2009
| After that explanation Miles, I understand where you're coming from Perry Morgan wrote on Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 03:51 pm:A small built girl is not necessarily anorexic
thank you for establishing that! I am a tiny girl but I'm not anorexic. I like to call myself petite |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1978 Reg: 08-2005
| You understand and that's ok then? or You understand and think I'm a massive arsehole? |
Jol Alexander
DieHard Vic UZZ31 V8 (no mods)
Posts: 604 Reg: 07-2009
| I think its both mate... assume the worst and you'll be right |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1979 Reg: 08-2005
| Heh! |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer South Australia UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11122 Reg: 11-2004
| I think it's neither. No judgement is implied. |
Matthew Salkeld
Tinkerer South Australia v8
Posts: 40 Reg: 07-2008
| well.. I don't think the Miles approach will work for everyone, but he makes a (kind of) good point. Too many people are being too weak about these things... I'd put on a few kilos at the start of the year (almost overweight, according to BMI) and thanks to some good habits, some routine and regular exercise (NO change to diet, but it was never a bad diet problem) I'm back to a much more.. athletic form ;D Personal strength, which I take pride in... that's basically what it took. For some, external motivation is need (friends, family, support) I hate to sound like one of those "society down the drain" people - but modern consumer culture/advertising is really working against people helping themselves |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo North Island JZZ31
Posts: 4963 Reg: 10-2005
| I do have to say that "no time" thing does piss me off. I mean how hard is it to get up half an hour earlier in the morning and go for a run? To use your lunch time constructively at the gym? I have a busy middle management job and a two year old and I manage! Might be harder when baby # 2 arrives (if ever) but I'll re-adjust like I always do. The other one that makes me boil is "oh, exercise is so boring!" - wrong, you just have to find something you like! I like weights so thats my thing, but its not enough for me to maintain my weight and still be able to enjoy my life so I have to do cardio too. I hate running but I just load my phone up with music and podcasts, out of bed at 6:30 and hey, I suddenly find I really enjoy it! Presto, problem solved. |
Ryan Posselt
DieHard NSW Celsior V8
Posts: 590 Reg: 08-2006
| ***Beefcakes alert*** the steroids have gone to your head.... I'll tell you how hard it is for some people to exercise Matt. My partner is studying medicine her day looks like this: get up at 6:30 - 7:00 at uni by 8:00 (30 minute commute)after a 13 hour straight day (thats right no lunch) 9:00 come home I've got dinner on the table for her eat dinner while relaxing in front of the TV for 1 hour then study for 1 hour then bed.(11:00) Where is the time to fit in exercise? I know some junior doctors who work 6 day weeks and do more than 15 hours of work everyday. (no I am not exaggerating) Not everyone works in middle management... everyone is different and I think its time you dumb ass, inconsiderate, intolerant, arrogant twats learnt that. |
Perry Morgan
Goo Roo Qld UZZ32 ( V8 )
Posts: 1723 Reg: 07-2005
| Ryan. We didn't choose the career so don't blame us for doing something that allows other people to get overweight and have a heart attack. Oh, and there are 7 days in a week too. Get up and take a walk, ride or jog. Anything. It might be easy to rest up, but the fitter you are the more energy you have in the end. By all means, if finding 20 mins to exercise is too hard, then don't. Once you're in an early grave you'll have plenty of time relax |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1985 Reg: 08-2005
| I've trained with quite a few med students in the past. Doctors too. Relaxing in front of the TV? Know what's in my lounge room between the couch and the screen? An exercise bike. It's actually MORE relaxing to exercise when you've got a stressful life than to vegetate each night for an hour. It burns off the anxiety and it helps you sleep better. Plus she's probably doing a few km on her feet every day anyway. Pretty hard to say you have no time to exercise and then sleep 8 hours every night. When I'm on contract I generally work so much I sleep 5 hours a night and STILL go to the gym every day. |
David Vaughan
Goo Roo Relaxed, but no provincial. IS300
Posts: 4722 Reg: 07-2005
| Perry and Matthew, I think you miss a point that getting out and running or going to a gym are neither necessary nor sufficient for good health. You have to be active but few imagine that destroying your feet and ankles by pounding them daily into hard pavement is the only or even the best way to do it. I predict that Ryan's gf spends a lot of time on her feet and has no weight or health problem now or in current prospect. I could say in answer to quote:if finding 20 mins to exercise is too hard, then don't. Once you're in an early grave you'll have plenty of time relax
that those who have to do something special in their lives to get some exercise are obviously those who would otherwise be the biggest slobs. Unreasonable of course, but no more than the narrow perspective in your comments. |
Perry Morgan
Goo Roo Qld UZZ32 ( V8 )
Posts: 1724 Reg: 07-2005
| And I could say walk, don't run, and do it on grass or sand. There are always options. Or swim, what do I care. Just find something. I am someone who has suffered spinal damage and started to put on weight and got VERY depressed as I felt near useless and couldn't do anything I'd once enjoyed. Pushing a lawnmower around a flat back yard would near cripple me and take me out for days on end. So I started small with my exercises and my diet. Now I am at the point as I near 40 that a lot of people ask me if I go to the gym because I am in such good shape. I can now redo the sports I enjoyed, albeit in shorter bursts. Or I could have given up and kept stacking on the weight saying "oh, I can't help it you see, it hurts so much for days if I do". But then I'd just be sore, depressed AND fat to boot. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer South Australia UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11123 Reg: 11-2004
| There was a report on the news last night that fatty foods do help against depression. |
Miles Baker
Goo Roo Vic 66 Mustang GT Convertible, 55 Chevy Bel Air, 69 Firebird 455, 69 Nova SS Clone
Posts: 1986 Reg: 08-2005
| See... The media perpetuates the vicious fat circle. |
Perry Morgan
Goo Roo Qld UZZ32 ( V8 )
Posts: 1725 Reg: 07-2005
| That'd be nice, but then I'd get sad about my flabby ass Peter haha. So I'd have to eat some chips to feel better. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer South Australia UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11124 Reg: 11-2004
| Then again: "People who eat diets that are heavy in processed and fatty foods are more prone to depression, according to a study from University College London." So something was cooked up, maybe I took it the wrong way? |
Paul Knox
Tinkerer QLD uzz31's manual and auto
Posts: 76 Reg: 08-2009
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Miles Baker wrote on Friday, November 27, 2009 - 01:55 pm:See... The media perpetuates the vicious fat circle
The media also Perpetuates our perception of beauty and happiness for that matter. over time the perception of beauty changes , The rennaissance - don't see too many size 8 women in those pictures. Do you find the "Mona Lisa" Hot ? Once a voluptuous figure was seen as a sign of fertility and social status & Beauty. Media also perpetuates youth , which is what i what saying before Miles that as you grow older , your views change , and I don't want to emulate the things the hip new in crowd are doing, because I'm happy in my own skin. Now women are starving themselves to meet stereotypical Ideals , only to find they then need plastic surgery to enhance their breasts, reshape their noses , dewrinkle their skin at age 25 ???? Lots of so-called beautiful / fit unhappy people out there Miles. Lots of overweight people are very happy in their own skin. Has great self esteem and would never ever contemplate plastic surgery. I can see both sides , but some of the views here are very single minded. |
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