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Raj Somarouthu
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Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 09:47 am, by:  Raj Somarouthu (Edinlexusv8) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I watched lastnights top gear a few times on the iPlayer just to get a feel of the sounds that LFA makes!! Amazing!! I would like to see a dry lap time for this supercar. Strangely Clarkson complains about the price of a supercar when there are Zondas with full carbon fibre body for 3/4 of a million! I know it is still a lexus but it feels like it is worth the money when you put it in the mix with the other bad boys!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxII5cwvsc

Hope with all this innovation Lexus brings out some good high performance cars for a decent price, something in the range of GTRs!

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/04/video-top-gear-takes-on-the-lexus-lfa/#continued
Ali Saeed
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Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 05:23 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i agree with Clarkson. its over priced. why wouldnt i just go buy a ferrari if i had $500000? lexus's were ment to be as fast and as luxurious as euro cars but cheaper, and this certainly doesnt fit the bill. i guess they have to make the money they spent on development back. shouldve just mass produced it at a lower price, wouldve been better
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Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 06:29 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Rev Counter" ?
Tachometer.


Getting pretty sick of Top Gear and their obviously paid for reviews full of useless power slides.
Ali Saeed
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Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 09:59 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

its getting pretty scripted, i agree. it was great until about season 10/11.
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Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 10:27 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

About time they brought out a new Soarer!

Looks like a cross between a new GTR and an Aston Martin!
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Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 12:16 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

side view is exactly the same as a supra lol
Matthew Sharpe
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Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 07:20 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Clarkson hates Lexus/Toyota, or pretty much anything that isn't euro.
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Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 12:10 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, Nissan paid him so much that he feigned a neck injury from driving the GTR.
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Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 02:26 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Exactly Ali - I was thinking the silhouette of the vehicle is very similar to that of the ol' JZA80....and as nice as it is... its not worth the metric equivalent of 340k quid.
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Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:27 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

But he still put the GTR down a fair bit, going on about how it was no Ferrari/Lambo etc. Same with the 370z comparing it to cars costing tens of thousands more going on about how he'd never buy one as it just wasn't as good as a Audi/Porsche etc.
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Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:43 am, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd own one over a ferrari any day.

I dont get how for the whole segment they praise the car to the hilt and then completely try play it down on their own forms of bias, just because it's a Lexus and they dont like Lexus, quite sad I thought.

For a car that took nearly 10 years to make cause they wanted it to be perfect I can understand the price tag.

I was talking to a guy here at work about it and apparently it topped the timesheet for the wet lap ????
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Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:55 am, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lexus has always built top quality reliable cars but the price of the LFA is not realistic, sure its got carbon fibre body etc but as a first attempt for Lexus at building a supercar to price it at 3 times the price of a Lamborghini or Ferrari with similar performance figures which already have a long history in building supercars is just crazy.
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Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:59 am, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well they have to say something negative or everyone will know it's a paid advert. And what's the least offensive thing you can say? It's a Lexus/Nissan. Seems negative but won't put anyone off buying it except the Ferrari set who were never gonna buy it anyway.
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Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 08:03 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Take it easy to Top Gear guys not as good as it was but still entertainment.

Whilst there reviews are far from scientific they have a great time thrashing around cars from people moving vans that they attached splitters and rear wings to high end supercars.

The lap time comparision while it is a bit of fun is also a bit of a joke, how many cars tested haven't even got there supplied tyres up to temp.

End of the day most people find the show entertaining as the presenters have a great time pushing cars to there limit and sometimes beyond there normal operation. Even with the biased view to Euro cars they certainly do point out some great positives and negatives about cars that I didn't previously know along the way.
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Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 08:24 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like the entertainment parts, but the reviews are just complete rubbish now. Reduces the length of the show by 50% when I have to fast forward through the crap. There are a few one liners, then loads of useless power slides, then probably a bunch of praise for the car because the maker paid them. Other shows still have real reviews.. they've sold out and it shows. They used to have real layman reviews.

I do put some faith in the stig lap time part. That's not his first lap, and being a race driver, he probably does want to give it the car's best and knows how to do so. Very few guys, even professionals, get to flog that variety of cars. I'd say he does it right.
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Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 08:40 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Miles perhaps the show has gorne down hill since I watched it last but I haven't seen any decent car review TV shows in years.

BTW you do realise the Stig is not one person but a pile of different drivers in the same outfit typically x race drivers.
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Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 09:17 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Top Gear is great entertainment and at this point in time I can't afford a Zonda, Ferrari or anything close to the price range so more technical reviews including the drag coefficient or braking ability are useless facts for me, bring on the power slides!!!

It would be good if they introduced 400m testing in a similar way that they do with the hot laps.
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Friday, January 08, 2010 - 12:07 am, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh well. Then the entire show is worthless except for when they jump caravans through France.
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Friday, January 08, 2010 - 08:12 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ben Daniel wrote on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:43 am:

I was talking to a guy here at work about it and apparently it topped the timesheet for the wet lap ????




Yes, it was miles ahead of the next wet lap car... the Lambo 4wd was next quickest in the wet, a full 3 seconds slower. Faster than the Ferrari 430 did it in the dry. This car is just as much of a monster as other cars the same price, has a better brand name than say, Koeneeccwhatever did a couple of years ago, and would possibly be quicker in the dry, and is a comparable price, better equipped, nicer to drive and probably built a lot better, but they still rubbish it because they perceive it to be Lexus, and equate Lexus with boring and not worth the money. Pure prejudiced bullshit.
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Friday, January 08, 2010 - 02:15 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i dont see it being worth 340000 quid, when you can buy a 911 turbo which is much faster for 1/3 the price?
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Friday, January 08, 2010 - 02:52 pm, by:  Cihan Aday (Cihan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There's so much more left in that engine.

I see they did a lot of prototype testing at the Lemans circuit which would imply there's a big focus on longevity with high engine speed, low BMEP and use of pump fuel.

600 horses (~400rwkw) would have been no problem, probably a bit much for a 'production' Lexus supercar :-)

Personally, there are a few cars i'd be test driving before the LFA.

And if it devalues like any other Lexus, my hard earned would be staying put for a couple of years.
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Friday, January 08, 2010 - 04:32 pm, by:  Perry Morgan (Uzz32) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's just an entertainment show. If you are in the market for a super-car, I'd suggest getting your review from owners clubs and maybe taking a test drive.

Semi-comedy Tv may not be the most appropriate source.
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Friday, January 08, 2010 - 11:50 pm, by:  Ian Gordon (Ian9au) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Top Gear is entertainment. No more - no less. Sure Clarkson is a bit of a dill but Hammond and May make up for it. We can be grateful that the Australian version appears to have left our screens. It would be nice if they showed up to date episodes, maybe Channel 9 will be better. I'm not holding my breath.
If you want a truly bad car show, look at Fifth Gear.
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Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 12:47 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the worst thing about 5th gear was that it tried to be like top gear, which was fail. apparently they got cancelled last year so wont be seeing much more of them.
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Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 10:42 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How is a 911 turbo faster? Even the 997 GT2 which is only something like 150K cheaper than the LFA is slower both in a straight line and on the track. The entry level turbo coupe doesn't even come close. Plus it looks like a squashed beetle, and like every other 911 that you see every day on the streets driven by pot bellied balding old men.

The LFA is squarely aimed at the same market as the 458, SLR etc, and has the a price tag and exclusivity to match them, and is probably in many ways a better put together car. Its almost certainly the best super/hyper car to ever come from the East, and if its over-priced then so is every Euro hypercar too.

Unfortunately general brand snobbery at this end of the market will undoubtedly make it difficult for Lexus to sell all 500 of them, regardless of how good they are.
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Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 02:34 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ali 911 turbo doesn't come close and is a poor mans porsche, the GT3 RS is the only one which might and IMO the only porsche to own.

IMO the price tag is a little high particularly considering they are new to this area of the market but IMO Toyota/Lexus will have done a better job in many ways. They are typically second to when it comes to off papers specs such as climate control systems, generally driver/seating ergonomics and reliability.

If you are buying a car of this class/price you will check out all the available options and buy what you like best from a driver perspective.

If one car is marginally faster than another it wont matter as they are all already super quick cars.

Lexus are claimed to only offering the LFA on lease as they are trying to avoid them becoming super expensive collectors cars which has happened in the passed with very limit production runs.
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Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 10:34 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol? 2010 911 turbo would wizz past this thing from a stand still or from a rolling start. that thing consistently runs 3.2sec 0-100kph times and mid 11 quarters(i think).

gt3 rs is a hardcore track car, why would you compare it to the LFA?

i get the feeling, people like this car only because its a lexus?
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Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 05:47 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

911 Turbo 3.6, 353KW, 1585KG - significantly less power, and slightly heavier than the LFA - 911 claimed 0-100 in 3.9 seconds.

LFA will be at least .5 faster to 100, and is said to be capable of 2G laterals. Its in a different league to a 911.
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Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 05:55 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thats the old 911 turbo. the facelift model has a 3.8L and 500hp

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/02/2010-porsche-911-turbo-first-drive/

"Porsche conservatively quotes staggering acceleration numbers. From a standing start, 60 mph will arrive in 3.2 seconds (some reports peg it close to an even three seconds) with 124 mph eclipsed after just 11.3 seconds. Its top speed is 193 mph."
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Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 08:52 am, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've heard the engine was designed to be able to run with 2G lateral (dry sump etc) but I'm not aware the car will actually stick to the road pulling 2G?
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Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 08:30 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Miles Baker wrote on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 08:52 am:

I've heard the engine was designed to be able to run with 2G lateral (dry sump etc) but I'm not aware the car will actually stick to the road pulling 2G?




Mid to late 90's BMW's were capable with Pilot Sports of a peak cornering G force of 1.2-1.3G. Street tyres have improved a good notch since then and I would hope that the latest cars would handel and be capable of a little more too.
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Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 08:39 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ali Saeed wrote on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 10:34 pm:

gt3 rs is a hardcore track car, why would you compare it to the LFA?




I have seen both GT3 and GT3 RS in the flesh, the GT3 was a fantastic well finished car nice leather seats and certainly not anything like a track car.

The GT3 RS was similar except it has light weight body parts and from what the owner told me it was a very nice car to drive.

These are the Porsche supercars and that is why I am comparing them to Lexus LFA supercar.

As to the above I have not driven either nor lived with one so I cannot comment on my own first hand experience.

PS the older 911 turbo that was AWD was capable of 0-100km/hr in 3.1sec.

Yet it was not a nice car just super quick in a straight line.
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Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 10:30 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah... but 2.0 is a LOT.
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Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 10:58 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes it sure is. But given some tyre tests indicate the latest tyres can suport up to higher 10% G forces.

What the LFA is capable who knows but even if it is capable of 1.4-1.5G it could be engineered to support 2G with future generations of tyres or perhaps semi/full slicks and some margin of over engineering.
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Monday, January 11, 2010 - 01:04 am, by:  Ben Daniel (Lexustt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I remember Clarkson test driving the R34 GTR on top gear and he was playing with the G metre on the cars computer... he was throwing that car massively sideways and at very high speeds and it was only scraping over 1 G. Somehow I find accelerating at 2 lateral G a bit rediculous for a road car.

P.S. what ever happened to Tiff Needel ?

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