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Costa Tsimiklis
DieHard
Victoria
386.2 rwkw Soon T51R or GT4094 :-O

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 07:48 pm, by: Costa Tsimiklis (Driftshop)

Lexus have built a GTR eater

Hopefully they will build a 4wd turbocharged version in the future to dominate the Italians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5R-oi91bd4&feature=player_embedded

Ali Saeed
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WA
UZZ31

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 08:37 pm, by: Ali Saeed (Ali)

haha i dont know if i like it or not. wayy to expensive for my liking, specially for a Japanese car.

PS what if the accelerator sticks in this car

Ryan Rankovic
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 08:38 pm, by: Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j)

I wouldn't say it EATS the GTR, especially not for $400,000. (1/4 mile drag anyway)

Although it looks •••• hot and I would kill for one.

Impressive video... one day.... one day...

I think THIS would be a more suitable GTR eater

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D_yQmghKf8

Dave Rose
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 09:04 pm, by: Dave Rose (Sand_groper)

What do you think of this one Ali should be here next year , camera mirrors!!

Ali Saeed
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 09:21 pm, by: Ali Saeed (Ali)

hahaha why Dave why

Dave Rose
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 10:18 pm, by: Dave Rose (Sand_groper)

Because i value your input...and i want the wheels.

Rob Rojo
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NSW
Soarer TT

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 10:44 pm, by: Rob Rojo (Rob_tt)

Ryan Rankovic wrote on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 08:38 pm:
I wouldn't say it EATS the GTR, especially not for $400,000. (1/4 mile drag anyway)

I would!
Put it on a proper prepped 1/4 mile strip and get some heat in the tyres and it will leave the GTR behind by half a second or more.

It also beat the GTR by 14 seconds around the nurburgring circuit and beat the Porsche GT2 by a full second.
So I don't think it is as much of a joke as many people made out.

Mike Beck
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 10:50 pm, by: Mike Beck (Gold_40gt)

I think it's just too expensive.

Rob Rojo
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 10:55 pm, by: Rob Rojo (Rob_tt)

I agree its expensive but its no more expensive than the Lambos and Ferraris its up against and by the looks of it will out perform all of them.

Ryan Rankovic
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 11:20 pm, by: Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j)

Rob Rojo wrote on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 10:44 pm:
I would!
Put it on a proper prepped 1/4 mile strip and get some heat in the tyres and it will leave the GTR behind by half a second or more.

I was just going by what I saw in the video

Would love to see it going around the ring!

I dont think its a joke either, I ••••••• want one!

Mike Beck
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 11:38 pm, by: Mike Beck (Gold_40gt)

Rob Rojo wrote on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 10:55 pm:
I agree its expensive but its no more expensive than the Lambos and Ferraris its up against and by the looks of it will out perform all of them.

I agree, though will it have the same fate as the NSX? being merely an expensive Honda in many peoples perspectives... maybe this will happen with this fancy Lexus been seen as just an expensive Toyota?

Doubt that though.

Ali Saeed
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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 12:49 am, by: Ali Saeed (Ali)

if the NSX had a v8 in it, it might have sold better. people dont want a 6 cylinder in their supercar.

anyway in that case Dave, it doesnt really look that good at all

Rob Rojo
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Soarer TT

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 06:47 am, by: Rob Rojo (Rob_tt)

The NXS always seemed to soft to compete with the other supercars of it time whereas I don't think the Lexus has the same problem with over 500hp from a lightweight v10 that revs at over 9000rpm

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=AU#/watch?client=mv-google&tspv=v1&v=D3oJYKmIphU

Callum Finch
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WA
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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 09:38 am, by: Callum Finch (Sigeneat)

Mike Beck wrote on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 10:50 pm:
I think it's just too expensive.

The sort of people who will buy them probably dont care about the price all that much.

David Tra
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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 09:53 am, by: David Tra (Bookie)

a wins a win

Damian Ware
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Victoria
UZZ32

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 12:23 pm, by: Damian Ware (Frozenpod)

NSX 3.0lt V6 with about 200ke about 50kw up on any other V6 at the time but still about 150kw short of supercar power output.

It had reasonable power to weight I think as it was fairly light and it was/still is a great car but just lacked HP.

Ali Saeed
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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 02:55 pm, by: Ali Saeed (Ali)

NSX was boring like everything honda ever made

Sebastian Grant
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soarer TT

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 04:19 pm, by: Sebastian Grant (Saabg)

Rob Rojo wrote on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 10:44 pm:
It also beat the GTR by 14 seconds around the nurburgring circuit and beat the Porsche GT2 by a full second.

The gtr did it in 7m 27s. The LFA did it in 7m 24s. It's hardly worth the extra money based on lap times alone.

Something people don't take into consideration is that these times are set by professional drivers, not by us enthusiasts. I would bet my left nut on the fact that a normal driver would be quicker around a track in a gtr than an LFA any day of the week.

Damian Ware
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UZZ32

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 04:59 pm, by: Damian Ware (Frozenpod)

Sebastian Grant wrote on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 04:19 pm:
The gtr did it in 7m 27s. The LFA did it in 7m 24s. It's hardly worth the extra money based on lap times alone.

Something people don't take into consideration is that these times are set by professional drivers, not by us enthusiasts. I would bet my left nut on the fact that a normal driver would be quicker around a track in a gtr than an LFA any day of the week.

GTR lap time was only by one driver and was unable to be repeated. Porsche have called the time false or suggest semi slick tyres were used as there proffessional race driver couldn't repeat the results.

GTR's AWD system has since conception been a bitch to drive well this is very untypically of every other AWD system but it would be highly likely that the best it was capable of would not be able to be achieved by anyone other than an experienced expert driver.

I would love to try both personally at the ring or at PI Sandown ect and I would be almost certain that I would do a faster lap time in the LFA.

End of the day the difference in lap times is SFA and I wouldn't buy either of these buy a cars based on those.

Ali Saeed
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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 05:26 pm, by: Ali Saeed (Ali)

lol in the dry the GTR will be wayyyyy behind LFA.

Sebastian Grant
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soarer TT

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 07:51 pm, by: Sebastian Grant (Saabg)

The gtr vspec record was Brien twice in to weeks from what I've read so you are talking about the non vspec model. It is also listed as only being 1 sec slower than the lfa.

http://soarercentral.com/cgi-bin/sc-forum/show.cgi?126/316796

Austen Menze
DieHard
WA
GT-TL

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 08:03 pm, by: Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate)

Amazing peice of engineering. Needs boost+gate

Sebastian Grant
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soarer TT

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 08:23 pm, by: Sebastian Grant (Saabg)

http://www.thering.co.uk/Nurburgring_Lap_Times.htm

Callum Finch
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WA
Soarer TT & Corolla

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Friday, May 14, 2010 - 06:06 pm, by: Callum Finch (Sigeneat)

Sebastian Grant wrote on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 04:19 pm:
The gtr did it in 7m 27s. The LFA did it in 7m 24s. It's hardly worth the extra money based on lap times alone.

Something people don't take into consideration is that these times are set by professional drivers, not by us enthusiasts. I would bet my left nut on the fact that a normal driver would be quicker around a track in a gtr than an LFA any day of the week.

I dont care how normal you are, you would never take a GTR to a track unless you didnt care about your warranty. DONT BREAK THAT TRANSMISSION OR ENGINE NOW!

Lucas Waterworth
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2.5tt auto

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Friday, May 14, 2010 - 07:05 pm, by: Lucas Waterworth (Gadget666)

I think the lf-a was as much a test bed as it was a car.
now picture that v10 engine in a body similar to the mr-2, in the same price range as a lotus elise.

OH GOD YES! watch out ferrari.

Damian Ware
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Friday, May 14, 2010 - 08:02 pm, by: Damian Ware (Frozenpod)

Callum Finch wrote on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 06:06 pm:
I dont care how normal you are, you would never take a GTR to a track unless you didnt care about your warranty. DONT BREAK THAT TRANSMISSION OR ENGINE NOW!

Err are you kidding GTR's are built for the track.

I have seen 3 of the latest R35 GTR's at the track and I think at the time there was only 4 in the country. This is exactly what it was built for.

Ali Saeed
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Friday, May 14, 2010 - 09:20 pm, by: Ali Saeed (Ali)

ive heard the tranny isnt very reliable

Sebastian Grant
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soarer TT

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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 12:58 am, by: Sebastian Grant (Saabg)

Ali Saeed wrote on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 05:26 pm:
lol in the dry the GTR will be wayyyyy behind LFA.

What are you basing that on?

Callum Finch wrote on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 06:06 pm:
I dont care how normal you are, you would never take a GTR to a track unless you didnt care about your warranty. DONT BREAK THAT TRANSMISSION OR ENGINE NOW!

Even if for some weird reason you thought like that you could buy six gtrs for the price on one LFA and I would be more worried about destroying the gearbox in a $400,000 super car than a GTR any day.

Lucas Waterworth wrote on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 07:05 pm:
I think the lf-a was as much a test bed as it was a car.

Couldn't agree more, they've done the research and now hopefully some of that knowledge will be passed onto the next hopefully more affordable car.

I've read that you can't even buy them in the US, you can only lease them and even then you have to be picked on certain criteria. The basis is what you do, what other cars you own and even what restaurants you visit and where the car will be driven? If this is true it's a joke. Most other car manufacturers are keeping with the times and releasing great bang for your buck cars. Unfortunately the economic climate is very different to when the LFA was conceived which I feel makes it a little outdated. What toyota should have done is continue the rivalry between the Supra and the GTR but I doubt toyota could have achieved similar price/performance as nissan have with the GTR or the ZO6 for that matter.

At least with the GTR there is a bit of room for modification which may just bring it in line with the LFA.

Costa Tsimiklis
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 02:22 am, by: Costa Tsimiklis (Driftshop)

The GTR and LFA are totally different cars. 500 limited production LFA, 5 allocated to Australia and all of these will sell out mainly to Japanese Car collectors. The whole thing is built from scratch on a carbon fibre monocoque (F1 and today's supercars tech) vs a steel unibody or spaceframe (GTR). The engine is unique to the LFA only. At ~$400k USD it is an expensive car, but a car to showcase Toyota/Lexus' engineering and F1 DNA into a road car. It is purely a marketing and technological show piece to give the Lexus brand a boost.

VW, under Piech's influence (former CEO and F. Porsche was his uncle) did the same with the Bugatti Veyron to showcase their engineering ability, but decided to sell the cars at a 2-3 milllion dollar loss per car sold. Toyota and VW Group are the top 2 car manufactures in the world.

The GTR is a skyline shopping trolley, with no exotic materials and hardcore chassis engineering. They invested everything in the very very good drive line (sans gearbox) and that's what your paying for. If nissan want to get cocky, they should release a Carbon monocoque GTR and put it on a diet, which will save around 400kg and be in the top spot at at the Nur ring.

The LFA is a super car to rival Pagani, Koenigsegg and other boutique marques. It is not priced to compete with the GTR and it never would be. It was built as a drivers car who can enjoy it and drive it on the edge. 4wd systems give you great grip, but are not as tail happy, and thus not as fun to drive. I'm sure that 4wd did cross the LFA engineers and designers, however i believe that they wanted the experience to be pure, radical and grass roots super car.

GTR is the car you buy if you cannot afford a Porsche, but what the performance of one. LFA is a car you buy because only 4 other people will have it in Australia and it will be highly sought after as well extremely well built and speical in every way. Who needs to split hairs - BUY BOTH! GTR for daily and LFA as a dust collector that you drive every now and then. THE carbon fibre body will not rust away and it will always be a valuable car due to its exotic appeal and limited production run.

I'm tipping that there WILL be a Supra coming out if the LFA is successful. Toyota need a hot hatch/coupe to compete against the GTR in this market. The ISF does not cut it in my books. The biggest hurdle for car makers and especially performance car makers is Euro 5 emissions standards and the US economic climate. If the US is feeling the pressure - car manufactures suffer - especially niche performance manufactures.

Toyota could build a GTR killer that's 4WD for cheaper if they wanted to - but will the market buy into it after 3-5 years of development and will it be profitable? They would probably use a TT V8 thats been ligthened out of a Lexus and get Getrag to help with the driveline with the chassis based on an IS style or a ground up rebuild. Time will tell.... Toyota is building Hero cars so if they are successful (LFA / ISF) we may just get a Toyota / Lexus Coupe that will rival the GTR.

Costa Tsimiklis
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 02:22 am, by: Costa Tsimiklis (Driftshop)

Link + pics to LFA: http://www.lexus.com.au/future/lfa/

Ali Saeed
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UZZ31

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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 05:30 am, by: Ali Saeed (Ali)

im basing that on the fact that an AWD car would tend to understeer

David Tra
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 08:09 am, by: David Tra (Bookie)

I not sure how creditble this source is but, Apparently gtrs are suffering trans issues? Maintenance (oils) is 10k a year? What is maintenance like say for American cars and euros? Surely mr miles can enlighten us

Sebastian Grant
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soarer TT

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Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 12:33 pm, by: Sebastian Grant (Saabg)

Ali Saeed wrote on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 05:30 am:
im basing that on the fact that an AWD car would tend to understeer

4wd = understeer. Modern AWD with active yaw control makes the car much more neutral. The fact is the GTR is heavier and less powerful than the LFA but is lapping very similar times which you can attribute mostly to its AWD system.

Callum Finch
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 10:33 am, by: Callum Finch (Sigeneat)

Damian Ware wrote on Friday, May 14, 2010 - 08:02 pm:
Err are you kidding GTR's are built for the track.

You void your warranty if you drive your GTR on the track.

I dont mean to get in to a Lexus vs Nissan dick swinging comp here. If you bought an LFA you arent going to drive it every day like you would a GTR.

Sebastian Grant wrote on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 12:58 am:
Even if for some weird reason you thought like that you could buy six gtrs for the price on one LFA and I would be more worried about destroying the gearbox in a $400,000 super car than a GTR any day.

If you are planning on getting 6x GTRs for $400,000 then you wont be able to license them for Australian roads anyway as they will be Japanese imports (right?). Local GTRs arent exactly cheap.

David Tra
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 11:52 am, by: David Tra (Bookie)

Callum Finch wrote on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 10:33 am:
You void your warranty if you drive your GTR on the track.

I think its all brand newie cars

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