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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 12:24 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Callum Finch wrote on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 10:33 am:

You void your warranty if you drive your GTR on the track.




Probably void you warranty with every new car but the question is what is the warranty worth.

If something fails manufactures claim it is either maintaince item or you have abused it ie your fault and your cost.

GTR supposedly has speed limiter which is deactivated when you go to the track via GPS location why have such a feature if it wasn't built for the track??


Sebastian Grant wrote on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 12:33 pm:

4wd = understeer. Modern AWD with active yaw control makes the car much more neutral. The fact is the GTR is heavier and less powerful than the LFA but is lapping very similar times which you can attribute mostly to its AWD system.




GTR AWD has been different to every other AWD system since conception and they intend it to be like a RWD in terms of feel. The front wheels don't do anything until the back end is near 90 deg to the road.

Getting the most out the GTR AWD even according to nissan requires abnormal driving habbits. No one has been able to replicate the nissan drivers GTR lap time of the ring.
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Sebastian Grant wrote on Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 08:23 pm:

http://www.thering.co.uk/Nurburgring_Lap_Times.htm




That's a very odd list. Missing plenty of times. Fastest "regular" production car is still the Dodge Viper ACR at 7:22. The LFA time I believe is not actually official. Probably done on the slightly shorter track with the entrance/exit in place. Half of the so called videos of the LFA "lapping the ring" are not even on the Nordschleife.

Note that the Viper is approximately 1/4 the price of the technical marvel LFA...
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 03:15 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thats what annoys me. why spend 10 years on a car to only have it as fast as the cars were 5 years ago?
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 03:20 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How do you come to that conclusion, It is faster than all of the current supercars around the ring except the 2 go-karts on roids!
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 04:24 pm, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or you can say that it's only taken Lexus 10 years to achieve what Ferrari has achieved in 63 years.
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 04:26 pm, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah miles. Another notable exclusion is the zo6. The list isn't complete but it still shows the lfa vs gtr times.
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 04:48 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rob,

The Viper is hardly a go kart. I agree all the cars faster than it are though. That is why I said it is the fastest "regular" production car. The Corvette also posted a 7:24.

The LFA still does not have an official time as far as I know. I believe this 7:24 that is being floated is not the full length closed circuit.

Ali has a very good point. For all the expense and research and screwing around, Toyota has made a car that is 4x the price and slower than a car that crappy old Dodge made a few years ago. It can have all the carbon and F1 crap it wants, it don't got enough ponies.
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 04:55 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Miles,
I was referring to the two other cars on the list.
I am pretty sure the time was done on the full track, I think the Lexus video at the ring is on youtube.
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 06:01 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cmon being a second or two quicker on a 10km(i think) long track is hardly impressive for costing 4x the price of a gtr and being in development for 10 years? in 10 years porsche and ferrari would make us a 300mph car lol
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 06:12 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ferrari and porsche have been developing performance cars for over 50 years and still haven't made a production car that fast.

I understand what your saying but you could say the same thing about pretty much all of the supercars that are slower and more expensive than the GTR.
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 08:04 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rob all of the YouTube videos I saw were either unclear, short, or not even the nord.
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 08:39 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thats because ferrari and porsche make their cars to fund their motorsports lol.
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Monday, May 17, 2010 - 11:51 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I believe they are saying the new 911 GT2 RS is going to take the crown from the Viper.
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 12:56 am, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the new 3.8l is pretty damned good. the turbos got something like 680nm torque from 2200rpm.
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 04:31 am, by:  Raj Somarouthu (Edinlexusv8) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Found the following on wikipedia ...


Wikipedia wrote on , , :

Chief Engineer Haruhiko Tanahashi mentioned during the world's press at the Nürburgring in Germany that the LFA has lapped the Nürburgring Nordschleife in "better than 7 minutes 20 seconds", although no further specifics were given to the record lap.[57] The LFA appeared on Top Gear in January 2010, when Richard Hammond drove the car and had rave reviews of it. The LFA's power lap of 1.22.8[58] was the quickest wettest lap ever recorded on the Top Gear test track; it was 3 seconds faster than the nearest wet lap which was the 4WD Lamborghini Gallardo.[58] However, it was noted that the LFA cost 3 times more than the Gallardo, and is £130,000 more than the Ferrari 599 but not faster than it; Jeremy Clarkson also noted that the 202mph LFA costs 6 times more than the 193mph Nissan GTR but is not 6 times faster. In response, Evo's review of the LFA pointed out that the performance of "a Bugatti Veyron is not 12 times more than the GT-R",[59] with reviewer Chris Harris observing that no cars are 6 times more than a GT-R either.[59][60] Car and Driver also concluded in its review of the LFA and its performance that the carbon-fiber supercar rated as a "bargain" compared to the more expensive Ferrari Enzo and Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren.[41] The magazine track-tested the LFA in March 2010, finding the car quickest in manual sport mode, and recording a 0-60 mph time of 3.7 seconds and a quarter mile of 11.8 seconds at 124 mph.[55]


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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:50 am, by:  Costa Tsimiklis (Driftshop) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Damien,

I don't think you have driven a R32-R33-R34 GTR to make those claims about how the ATESSA AWD works in the real world on street and track. What you say about the front wheels not doing anything until the car is 90 degrees is "Internet Expert" talk. The ATESSA system is built to be progressive, with a rear bias and not an on/off switch in the event of lost rear traction.

From my own driving experience, The GTR does under steer, not as much as a full time AWD, but it does under steer when at full noise with a higher performance engine from standard. Even the Non Turbo GTS4 under steers. As soon as the torque is split to the front, you get a noticeable under steer - and it is not only when there is an event of no traction or slip in the rear - it progressively transfers torque to the front wheels. You can see this on the torque split gauge as you accelerate hard - with no wheel slip. The whole system is based on a hydraulic pressure line on the gearbox, feeding a transfer case to a front diff to provide torque to the front. The more hydraulic load on the pump - the more pressure. I think there may be some PWM control on the solenoid for the demanding times under peak loads

Yes you can provoke it to over steer and carry a power slide if you wish, however if you have a sweeper and accelerate through it whilst turning sharply, the car will want to under steer in most cases, which is a good thing. Under Steer is a lot more tolerable to handle than over steer in most situations. This is why the Porsche 4wd system is designed to under steer or be neutral as much as possible.

The ATESSA system has been improved in each generation, but all 4WD systems will under steer at their optimum torque split due to the driving force on the front wheels causing the front to go wide. GTR not as much, but certainly has this characteristic under power and grip.
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 10:34 am, by:  Gary Poloskei (Mikrucio) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LFA is mental. I wish i had the cash.
Except I wish it was a Toyota instead of a Lexus.
Rebadge anyone?
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 05:30 pm, by:  Costa Tsimiklis (Driftshop) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I cant afford an LFA but I am seriously thinking of building my own supercar killer for the track :-) I've been inspired by the Radical Sports Cars!

I was involved with the Formula SAE team when I did mechanical engineering at Monash. Basically we used a 600cc bike engine and built a an open wheeler chassis, total weight of the car was around 180-200kg.

There's a boutique outfit in the UK, that makes Radical sports cars. Their flagship, the SR8 laps the Nur-ring in 6:48! Here's one in action at the ring:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwtyZosuPNE -- Time was around 7:02 !

SR8: http://www.radicalsportscars.com/range/sr8-supersport-lm

They use a hybrid 'busa engine in a v8 config for 440+ HP in a car that weighs around 500-550kg.

Cost: around 60-80k pounds depending on your setup. For under 180k AUD delivered, you can have the fastest 'production' car as a turn key! This car is ROAD LEGAL in the UK so I think you may be able to engineer it as an ICV in Aust and make it road legal here lol.

I've been drawing up some designs similar to the Radical, but using a single Busa engine with Garrett turbo, mounted in a transverse layout similar to the SAE car, using the factory gearbox and a chain to drive the rear axle that would be locked or a cam and pawl type LSD. A simple ignition cut would help in flat shifting, and then I could probably borrow Monash's tech in their 2009 winning car's air shifter that shifts in 0.1 sec from 0.3 sec.

Monash have shown that a spaceframe chassis, with carbon fiber stressed panels instead of alloy is a winning formula. BTW, the wings do SFA on the SAE track, but I would say on a track where the top speed is 200km/h + they would certainly help!
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 08:23 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Raj that quote only supports the view that the LFA is not going to be the fastest:

1. The Toyota guy claims times but has nothing official. Hardly a surprise.

2. It's only a little quicker than the Lamborghini, which is nowhere near the top of the N-ring times.

3. It's not as fast as the Ferrari, which is nowhere near the top of the N-ring times.
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 08:26 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Costa Tsimiklis wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 05:30 pm:

air shifter that shifts in 0.1 sec from 0.3 sec.


Doubt you'll need it. A bike transmission with a shifter ignition cut shifts about as fast as I can think.
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Miles Baker wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 08:23 pm:

2. It's only a little quicker than the Lamborghini, which is nowhere near the top of the N-ring times.



It was 3 secs faster than the Lamborghini on a very short track in conditions that would give the awd lamborghini an advantage. It is WAY quicker than the Gallardo.


Miles Baker wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 08:23 pm:

3. It's not as fast as the Ferrari, which is nowhere near the top of the N-ring times.



This article was merely disputing the claims made by top gear, one of which is that it's only as fast as a 599 which is not true. It's faster around the track by a country mile.
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:44 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the fact of the matter is, its just a supra on steroids with a fancy engine. its not even mid engined..and that sucks.
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:47 pm, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To be fair Miles the viper came with semi slick tyres, no stereo and next to no sound deadening. It's leaning more towards being a track car than a road car.
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Costa Tsimiklis wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:50 am:

Damien,

I don't think you have driven a R32-R33-R34 GTR to make those claims about how the ATESSA AWD works in the real world on street and track. What you say about the front wheels not doing anything until the car is 90 degrees is "Internet Expert" talk. The ATESSA system is built to be progressive, with a rear bias and not an on/off switch in the event of lost rear traction.

From my own driving experience, The GTR does under steer, not as much as a full time AWD, but it does under steer when at full noise with a higher performance engine from standard. Even the Non Turbo GTS4 under steers. As soon as the torque is split to the front, you get a noticeable under steer - and it is not only when there is an event of no traction or slip in the rear - it progressively transfers torque to the front wheels. You can see this on the torque split gauge as you accelerate hard - with no wheel slip. The whole system is based on a hydraulic pressure line on the gearbox, feeding a transfer case to a front diff to provide torque to the front. The more hydraulic load on the pump - the more pressure. I think there may be some PWM control on the solenoid for the demanding times under peak loads

Yes you can provoke it to over steer and carry a power slide if you wish, however if you have a sweeper and accelerate through it whilst turning sharply, the car will want to under steer in most cases, which is a good thing. Under Steer is a lot more tolerable to handle than over steer in most situations. This is why the Porsche 4wd system is designed to under steer or be neutral as much as possible.

The ATESSA system has been improved in each generation, but all 4WD systems will under steer at their optimum torque split due to the driving force on the front wheels causing the front to go wide. GTR not as much, but certainly has this characteristic under power and grip.




I have only drive a R32 GTR which I have driven on more than one occasion and it doesn't drive like any other AWD car I have driven, example WRX EVO and Audi.

They do drive like a RWD car in comparison to the other AWD drive cars I have driven which tend to drive more like a FWD car.

I have spoke to people at the track with them and read technical documents about there operation. Guys I have spoke to at the track have typically moved to aftermarket controllers to make the car more neutral and change the torque split more towards the front of the car.

I was amazed at how easily and untypical of an AWD when my mate easily stepped the car out to near 90 deg to the road, (wet road at fairly low speed) at which point at near 90 deg to the road the front end started to help pull the car in the right direction. Exactly how sudden this transistion was, hard to tell from the passenger seat.

From what I have read the other later model systems were similar and with each generation they were not as rear biased but still overly rear biased again this is from what I have read on the internet.

Your thoughts on a light weight race car has a lot of merit I am thinking exactly the same thing but something to keep in mind. The radical SR3 cannot be registered in Australia, a group of people bought in a few and after 18 months to get them on road gave up as they were simply refused to pass a number of items and the cars have been used for race only.

Another option is a Lotus 7 (clubman) which is a similar tubular space frame chassi but front engine most guys typically use stock 4 cylinder motors which even in stock form can provide similar power to weight of a V8 supercar.

Lots of fun and they are reknowned for being one of the worlds best drivers car exceptionally well balanced.

There is also a new mid engine version of the clubman which there is one regisitered in Vic, interesting design transvse FWD setup in the back of the car. Very similar to an Atom but more of a traditional clubman body shape imagine a Atom mid engine layout built to look like a clubman with clubman dash seating panels ect.
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 10:15 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seriously guys who cares if one car is faster by 3 seconds over 20 plus km of race track. These car are all very fast and you wont pick them just on lap times of a track in another country you would drive them and find what you like.

There are soo many other factors such as seating ergonomics driver feel interior design and controls exterior design which all play a part in peoples decisions.

There is no doubt that the LFA would be even faster with more HP and as Miles has suggested it really needs a little more Hp to put down the fantastic paper specs and lap times around the world.

But for most people this will still be a seriously quick car as would a GTR, ZR1 GT40 ect.
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i dont get caught up in ring times

too many variables

and i'd probably be slower driving a ferrari around there than that chick in the van!
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Damian Ware wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 10:02 pm:

I have only drive a R32 GTR which I have driven on more than one occasion and it doesn't drive like any other AWD car I have driven, example WRX EVO and Audi.

They do drive like a RWD car in comparison to the other AWD drive cars I have driven which tend to drive more like a FWD car.



Are you sure it wasn't in rear wheel drive mode?

Seriously though comparing any of the previous gtrs to the latest one is ridiculous, it's a completly different car and doesn't really use any of the previous technology.
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 10:33 pm, by:  Raj Somarouthu (Edinlexusv8) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have seen these threads popping out on many forums esp lexus, toyota and nissan ones, comparing LFA with GTR and somehow many of the members conclude that LFA is too expensive and they would rather buy a GTR as if they have a choice like they have quarter of a million sitting in the bank and most of all an LFA waiting to be picked up. Wake up there are only 500 being made and out of these only 5 are coming to UK and even if you have millions sitting you wont be able to get one. So stop dreaming about buying one and getting the 6 figure number into the discussion.

Just listen to the roar of the exhaust note from Lexus LFA advert:


I know people tend to compare LFA and GTR as there are lots of comparisons between GTR and other cars. GTR is a great car and produces some great numbers. But LFA exists in a totally different dimension where GTR doesnt. And in these dimensions we cannot draw parallels. The technical advancements is what that matters. As clearly said in some of the adverts, LFA is an engineers wet dream. Getting the weight distribution, kerb weight, downforce, aerodynamics, performance per cylinder, performance per litre of engine size, carbon fibre weaved monocoque, and most of all drivability and reliability etc are very impressive. It is all about how far these can be stretched. The engine itself revs happily to 9000 rpm that too from 0-9000 rpm in 0.5 second which itself is a big advancement for a road car (I know race cars do have high revving engines but they are high maintenance and unreliable). GTR is just another car with good turbos and tune (big number produced by Nissan rather than other famous marques) but LFA would be one of its kind (atleast for now). Also people who manage to get their hands on an LFA dont think they bother about GTR rather they would look into Ferrari Enzo, Carrera GT, McLaren SLR, Zonda ...

I may aswell go as far as saying LFA is the best engineered and most technologically advanced road production car right now (though I might have to edit this statement once McLaren MP4-12C goes to production)
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Sebastian Grant wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 10:27 pm:

Are you sure it wasn't in rear wheel drive mode?

Seriously though comparing any of the previous gtrs to the latest one is ridiculous, it's a completly different car and doesn't really use any of the previous technology.




100% stock car.

The designers have aimed for the similar RWD feel on 32, 33, 34.

I have read and this was an offical Nissan press release about there R35 AWD system which was still operating on the same principles as previous models but yes far more advanced. In that statement they also commented on how it was difficult it was to get the most out of the AWD system but it was supposedly according to them resulted in ultimately faster lap times once the driver had mastered it.

If you have seen the videos of the GTR lap record lap you will notice how the car has oversteer, there is on occasion a noticeable amount of oversteer at which point the car then seems to bite and pull through the corner. It is a little hard to tell from the video but there was quite a few good examples on the slower corners.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3oJYKmIphU

This shows the LFA and the ACR both on semi slicks and the LFA is a few seconds quicker than the ACR however depending on what race series they are in the ACR may have inlet restrictions.
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 11:42 pm, by:  Costa Tsimiklis (Driftshop) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LFA was advertised today during top gear free to air ad breaks - pretty sweet ad!

It is clear that the LFA is a marketing and engineering exercise for Lexus, considering that ad placement would have cost them a bomb and that there are only 5 cars for Australia, all of which probably have a deposit on them.

A Radical on the street would be a sweet thing. I'de risk a rego fine and a tow truck just to drive it every now and then on the street between track meets ..... however keeping your license would be a challenge lol!

Building an atom like car did cross my mind, but its not has hardcore as I would want it to be. It's still very street oriented. I have thought about spending big bucks to build a compeitive track car out of a Jap import, or build my own GT40/Radical/homebrew and instantly smoke any production type car whilst being possibly cheaper to run as the car will be built for the purpose of circuit racing.

Radical today is what Ferrari was 60 years ago - a pioneer in engineering fast track cars that are available to the public in street versions. I feel that the big super car companies have lost the grass roots appeal of a super light, super quick car that is purposely built to dominate the track at any cost. I've helped build a clubman style car with a toyota engine and whilst it was a great car and fun to work on - it was pretty unexciting when I drove it after it was done. It looks very dated as they have stuck to the lotus brum look. Cycle guards and rectangle headlights make it look better, but it still feels and goes like a clubman :-)

I'm thinking of something like a radical, probably naked at first with minimal body work and keeping it open wheeler whilst a mould up a foam tub for a Le Mans style kit. If I ever get around to it, it will be a Formula SAE car that's not built so on the limit. At Monash we had the front uprights fatigue after the test day as they were designed right on the limit to reduce weight. F1 cars are built in the same way - right on the edge of failure! Crazy stuff!

Lets say I build it fat and heavy due to no exotic materials (cost), it would weigh in at around 500kg+ with a 1300cc busa engine and very basic drivetrain, but have around 450hp due to the turbo. That should be quick enough while I learn the lessons required to make it better lol.

770HP Busa package: 10k usd
http://www.holeshot-racing.co.uk/index.php?page=hayabusa-stage-6-turbo

Crazy!
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Oh no. No stereo. How do they live with themselves the filthy cheats? Pffff. That's how t comes out of the factory. Every car at the top s running similar tyres.
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Sebastian Grant wrote on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:47 pm:

To be fair Miles the viper came with semi slick tyres, no stereo and next to no sound deadening. It's leaning more towards being a track car than a road car.



Are you putting words in peoples mouths again Miles? I never said that they cheated, I'm just saying that the ACR is much closer than the LFA to the imaginary line that separates road cars from street cars. Anyway, judging by the video posted above with the same tyres the LFA is quicker than the ACR so no need for further comparison.
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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 01:25 am, by:  Sebastian Grant (Saabg) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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This is the tyre used on the Viper ACR, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup which use a rubber race compound with a semi slick tread pattern. They come with a warning not to be used on very wet roads, hardly seems like the kind of tyre you would put on a "road" car now is it. Also these tyres can be shaved down to aid performance which Dodge may have done.

The LFA runs Bridgestone ZR20s which are an all weather proper road tyre. So basically the LFA is running similar times as the ACR with a major disadvantage in the tyre department.
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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 06:10 am, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And you know for a fact that's what they run on the lfa on the ring in their non existant official lap because you were there huh.
Riiiiiight.

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