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Peter Nitschke
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Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 05:24 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gillard wants to implement the dodgy US "cash for clunkers" program. I don't have time to go into it right now, but people should look into this looming disaster.
Myles Jantzen
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Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 06:24 pm, by:  Myles Jantzen (Maxx999) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What a waste, apparently you only get it if you buy a car they approve like a hybrid.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-says-she-will-pay-2000-to-get-old-car s-off-the-road/story-fn59niix-1225896392135

If they wanted to help, why not make it only for new aussie cars.
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Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 08:06 pm, by:  Ben Kelly (Ace) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

what a load of an old 1.8l or 2l celica is hardly a gas guzzler. in additon you have to think about the environmental costs of new cars - theres the plastics, steel fabrication, electricity and even the manpower which could be spent on more ecological friendly projects. i guess the capitalist economy must be kept rolling though hey.
Peter Nitschke
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Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 09:23 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is based on a system tried in the US, had a lot of bad side effects, eg people with old cars going into debt they couldn't afford.
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Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 10:23 pm, by:  James Buchan (Jrbuch) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stupid idea, I don't think it will work successfully
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Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 10:42 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

emissions saved on removing old vehicle < emissions created from manufacturing new one (and that vehicles subsequent emissions).

Unlikely in a lot of cases.

Looks like another way to help boost car sales figures.
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Monday, July 26, 2010 - 12:58 am, by:  Costa Tsimiklis (Driftshop) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

More Labor BS so they can spend the tax money inappropriately and extort it from fines and other taxes to fund shortsighted programs. She is pulling the money out of clean tech research to fund this scam. They are not interested in saving emissions, only lining their pockets with more tax payer cash because they spend it all.

Gillard wants to spend $400 million on rebating cheap, fuel efficient import cars that do nothing for the Australian car economy from a manufacturing point of view.

View on the US cash for clunkers:
http://www.american.com/archive/2010/june-2010/cash-for-clunkers-a-retrospective

I'm happy to drive around in my soarer 'clunker' that gets nearly 500km/tank while I laugh at the wanker who traded in his mums civic to get a shiny yellow Getz and spent the extra 2+k on chrome rimz, zorst and a sub woofer with neons.
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Murray Lund
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Monday, July 26, 2010 - 05:41 am, by:  Murray Lund (Murray) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had the impression that the focus was on getting older cars which have little or no effective pollution control systems on them off the road. An old 2 litre car with no pollution controls probably puts out a lot more air pollution than a modern V8. Australia has one of the oldest car fleets in the world.
This would have the added advantage of getting cars without modern safety systems like ABS and airbags off the road.
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Monday, July 26, 2010 - 06:16 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, the new car puts out less pollution than the 25 year old car - but the new car costs a lot in terms of resources and pollution to make, and other than the steel content, the old car has a load of non-recyclables in it that will end up in land fills. There have been quite a few statistical studies done now that show these programs do more harm than good to the environment.
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Monday, July 26, 2010 - 10:17 am, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

even though im not keen on it, it sounds better than work choices
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, July 26, 2010 - 10:20 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you in love Murray? :-)
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Monday, July 26, 2010 - 12:23 pm, by:  Mike Beck (Gold_40gt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Matthew Sharpe wrote on Monday, July 26, 2010 - 06:16 am:

Yes, the new car puts out less pollution than the 25 year old car - but the new car costs a lot in terms of resources and pollution to make, and other than the steel content, the old car has a load of non-recyclables in it that will end up in land fills. There have been quite a few statistical studies done now that show these programs do more harm than good to the environment.




Exactly Matt!
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Monday, July 26, 2010 - 01:43 pm, by:  Ian Johnston (Ted) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe put her in the boot of a clunker just before it goes in the crusher.

As stated, tried in the US, and I think England? at one stage.
Another aimless vote getter.
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Monday, July 26, 2010 - 02:43 pm, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

These things are fine. If you've ever driven through southport you'll realise that those unlicensed drivers driving 200 dollar falcons worth half the registration and falsified papers might have a reason to get something a little bit less unsafe to other drivers.

I know a girl who bought a POS van, its brakes failed and it ran into a house. She bought the exact same car again. It was a mitsubishi starwagon if i remember right, probably no better built than the sigma of a similar era.

People are far too cynical of these things. My problem is they don't have enough approved vehicles. In america they have second hand yards where people can trade in their car which is worth a whole 0, it'll go off and get crushed while they drive off with a small loan and a 8yearold car.

Also don't hate on the getz drivers. Nor the civics. Just because they blow a couple of grand on rims doesn't mean they're bad people, they just are clueless about cars. That's not a bad thing. This is my hobby, not everyone's hobby. Most people use their car to get to work. And good on them.
Murray Lund
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Monday, July 26, 2010 - 06:47 pm, by:  Murray Lund (Murray) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Only with you Peter lol!!
Actually I'm a swinging voter and a committed questioner of one eyed political comment.
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, July 26, 2010 - 11:32 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For people with really trashy cars, how much difference is $2k going to make towards buying an eco friendly (expensive) car? Seeing the potential for problems yet?
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, July 26, 2010 - 11:34 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Murray, Abbott is a tool too, but that doesn't change the facts of the current Govt stuff ups.

Gillard as Deputy Prime Minister and 2IC of the Gang of Four, has a track record of failure and mayhem.
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 03:36 am, by:  Murray Lund (Murray) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I actually went to uni with Tony Abbott - how's that for a bit of trivia.
If we are going to be fair Pen, the 'Gang of Four' has certainly had some stuff-ups, but their economic policies kept the country from sliding into recession - the only country in the western world that didn't go into recession.
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 08:53 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was Australia ever really going to suffer?

Perhaps not, as our banks weren't seriously caught up in all the sub-prime mess. We were probably also the only nation to be holding cash reserves when the GFC kicked in. Perhaps if other countries weren't already up past their hair line in this debt that you call a "good thing" then they might not have been hit so hard either.

Is a recession a bad thing?
Perhaps not, Keating certainly believed they could serve a purpose.

Read any of your commentary posts over the last year or so Murray, all apologetic and trying to spin bad management into a good thing.

Swinging voter? That's just more spin isn't it.

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 11:08 am, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

your talking about spin when your implying that not having a recession was a bad thing.

lols.
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 11:39 am, by:  Mitchell Comfort (Bombercomfort) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ryan Rankovic wrote on Monday, July 26, 2010 - 10:17 am:

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even though im not keen on it, it sounds better than work choices




You do know that work choices is dead don't you? Tony will never ever ever ever in a billion trillon years bring it back. And even if he got kicked out in a Rudd ALP style back stab and the new Lib PM then wanted to bring it in, he would never ever get it past the ALP, the greens and the indepentants in the senent. There is about as much chance of workchoices or any of its bad points coming back as me winning lotto three times in a row and I don’t even buy lotto tickets!!!! Johnny had over 50% of the senent as libs after the 2004 election for the first time in history! Thats why it got in! That will never happen again. Thats why we have two tiers of government. So we can vote for Tony to get rid of the ALP money waste and know what he says he true, cause even if he changed his mind it would never get through...therefore he would never try!
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 11:43 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Steven Anderson wrote on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 11:08 am:

your talking about spin when your implying that not having a recession was a bad thing.


But that isn't what I said, so your spin comment is spinnier heheheh...
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 02:39 pm, by:  Ian Johnston (Ted) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A few here forget that if the Libs hadnt got us into surplus in their terms in office, we would be in deeper poo.
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 03:16 pm, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ian Johnston wrote on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 02:39 pm:

A few here forget that if the Libs hadnt got us into surplus in their terms in office, we would be in deeper poo.




Correct, but do you know how they got us into surplus?
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 03:18 pm, by:  Murray Lund (Murray) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You really need to get out more Pen. (lol)
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 04:05 pm, by:  Murray Lund (Murray) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To be honest, I find both Gillard and Abbott pretty depressing. Neither express any vision for the future of the country, both are poll driven rather than policy driven, both are more focussed on avoiding mistakes than expressing anything positive, both have a new tax (one a mining tax, the other increased company tax to pay for maternity leave), both are fighting over a very narrow patch of middle ground. Neither have addressed some of the real structural issues facing Australia - like our aging population.

I could have voted for Malcolm Turnbull - at least he had a bit of vision, had some ideas about addressing climate change and had the confidence that Australia could actually appoint its own head of state.

Still, democracy is streets in front of any other system of government out there (other than Pen's benevolent dictatorship of course).

PS: it might be interesting to note for the debt fear mongers among us that at the 2008 G20, all nations that were a part of the G20 including Australia, agreed to increase their government spending, to try and avoid the world recession turning into a world depression.
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 04:44 pm, by:  Ryan Rankovic (Ryan1j) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Mitchell Comfort wrote on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 11:39 am:

You do know that work choices is dead don't you? Tony will never ever ever ever in a billion trillon years bring it back




Then why did he say he wont bring it back for AT LEAST 3 years if voted in?? Sounds scary to me. He still wants it.
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 04:47 pm, by:  James Cahir (James987) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=147821&title=c-span9-debate
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 05:59 pm, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This episode, both very funny and quite scary how similar to reality.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4284258
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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 10:00 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Murray Lund wrote on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 04:05 pm:

PS: it might be interesting to note for the debt fear mongers among us that at the 2008 G20, all nations that were a part of the G20 including Australia, agreed to increase their government spending, to try and avoid the world recession turning into a world depression.


But as you also pointed out, those countries have debt levels that are incredibly high, so it's hard to accept that their recommendation is a good thing.

What they actually want, is for the less stuffed countries to spend. Most dollars spent in Australia end up in a foreign country, so hell yeah, they sure do want us to spend spend spend.

Is that what we actually need or want though?

I would like to see us having something in reserve, especially with all the talk of an GFC Mk II which could be a lot worse than the first.

Saving is more prudent than wanton spending.
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Friday, July 30, 2010 - 05:06 pm, by:  Christian Zimmer (Zimmi) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was going to chime in with some valid political points and add to the discussion, but...
Julia Gilliard is a b!tch. Nuff said.

HAHAHA. Seriously though. I don't know if I will ever understand why we go through the same thing over and over in this country with Labour. They get us into debt, things go to crap, Liberal comes in, makes some hard decisions and gets us up and running again. Then when things are all rosey, people forget why they voted them in, hear about all the 'bonuses' labour will give them, and BOOM. Labour is back in blowing all our cash on some quite poor, short term visions which are poorly carried out ($900 bonus - election winner, then insulation disaster).
The country needs to be run like a business in a lot of respects to ensure we are a profitable and sustainable economy. This means making tough decisions and not everyone will always be happy. Giving everyone hand-outs only lasts so long, then they ask it back 10 fold when we are in the crapola.
My 2 cents.
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Friday, July 30, 2010 - 09:06 pm, by:  Ben Kelly (Ace) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i dont know why anyone would think that abbott wouldnt bring back work choices. is there nothing about what he says sounding to anyone a bit like 'no gst never ever?'. now whether or not it is called 'work choices' is another matter. As a right wing party it is their philosophy that workers rights are secondary to the right of capitalists to produce goods. Labor and left wing parties on the other hand favour a society economy built through empowering the working classes. Now obviously these days labor is fairly right wing and the libs are fairly moderate - not exactly fascists - however these are the basic tenets of both parties. its not really about the warped personalities at the front line although we might well become cynical given that these are evidently the best candidates that either party put up.
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Friday, July 30, 2010 - 09:14 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Were all doomed no matter who you vote for or dont ... Simple as that !

If they wanna take my car off the road , i will just cash in the rego and turn it into a track car :-)
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Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 05:14 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ben, I strongly suspect that Howard was mostly tossed out for arrogance. It's a common trait amongst leaders that have been in for a couple of terms. Check some of the current state leaders. Rudd didn't need a couple of terms according to his own people. I bet he wishes that Gillard brought in her anti-knife policy a few weeks earlier. :-)

I don't personally agree with Work Choices, it struck me as too much like "You have a choice to work or not - on our terms." but I have met people that were happy to be on their own agreements.

I get the feeling that Work Choices is not as much of an issue this time around, no matter how much Labor want's it to be. There are other and seemingly bigger issues to get peoples attention.
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Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 05:56 am, by:  Murray Lund (Murray) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Christian, the Libs have done some good thngs - they built up a sizable surplus, and good on them, however you have to take into account that they were in power during one of the longest economic booms in the western world which lasted well over a decade. I also admire the Libs for putting in place a more independent defence capability and also for the provision they made for future public service superannuation payouts (through the sale of Telstra). These had been previously unfunded and would have to be met from consolidated revenue.

However the down side of their time in government was that during a boom when infrastructure should be built up, Australia's infrastructure was actually allowed to significantly run down. Our ports, roads, schools, hospitals, broadband all fell behind world standards. (Most of Asia would laugh at our broadband speed). While some of these are shared state/federal responsibilities, it was the federal govt that had control of the money as it had control of growth taxes such as income tax and company tax. Infrastructure spending suffered at the hands of Howard's favourite spend - middle class welfare which was more appealing to a short sighted electorate.

To be balanced, we should perhaps acknowledge that it was the ALP who introduced the significant reforms that allowed the Australian economy to become a world player - floating the dollar, reducing tariffs, recognising China, making tertiary education more accessible to people on lower incomes etc. Things that we now take more granted liked universal superannuation and health insurance were also initiatives of the Labor party.

Howard was tossed out after he finally won control of the Senate. This allowed him to introduce Workchoices which was beyond what the community was willing to accept as fair and reasonable.

Daniel, I don't think the election has any consequences for your car or my car!! lol

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