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Steven Anderson
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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 11:15 am, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Aaron Mead wrote on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 09:04 am:

Dale would be the least likely to want to fudge a FORD figure on his dyno




Not so much snymore, lol. He bought an XR6T!!
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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 03:29 pm, by:  Paul Knox (Surreal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I also read thru the ford forums, and from I can gather , and I may very well be incorrect.

It seemed there was some dispute as to the PSI output of the factory Supercharger ?

6, or 8 for the GS and GT , and the car on the dyno looked like it was 10psi ?

Also the car has been severely electronically limited in Torque delivery during upshift, obviously to stop things breaking, so 12.9 1/4mile time makes more sense and power at the fly of 335kw adds up to that time for a car of 1980kg with driver so... I still think there will be more to this.
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Thursday, November 25, 2010 - 04:04 pm, by:  Jeff Bedsor (Jeff_bedsor) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds nice, video link below.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/91737/fpv-gt-p-review-video/

And I've got 1000 posts
Matthew Sharpe
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Friday, November 26, 2010 - 06:18 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow. Pity about the manual transmission - it really does look like a awful shift in the video. But that crackle - love it.
Daniel Clarke
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Friday, November 26, 2010 - 07:58 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What about Simon from one of the Tuneshops in WA ...

Got himself a new GS ute, Just with a tune it made 361rwkw and backed it up with an 11.7 at the Perth Motorplex on wed night with just a set of ET Street Radials .

Thats dman impressive ! Apparently they are setup in the ecu to restrict torque outputs in lower gears to resist wheelspin from the factory . Also there is a power/torque reduction on gear changes . Once this was removed ( with the tune ) , and some time sorting out the out of control boost ( or lack of conrtol ) from the factory .

The GS is a ute . Apparently it made just over 70rwkw from the tune alone . Herrod Motorsports have said that 400rwkw is possible with just a tune with the GT fords . They did design the superchargers for these engines, so im sure Rob would know what he is talking about .
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Friday, November 26, 2010 - 11:29 am, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you know what boost they ended up running?

Since the boost is ecu controlled, its not quite
'just a tune' like it is with other cars :-)
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Friday, November 26, 2010 - 06:07 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The boost is running a pretty constant 8.9-9psi . That is all . Before the tune it was all over the shop .
Matthew Sharpe
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Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 07:04 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, but its a ute. Fine on the 1/4 but as soon as you hit some corners on the road it all turns to No point in having all that power in something thats no fun on a winding country road, unless all you want to do is 1/4's and haul stuff around.
Daniel Clarke
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Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 11:23 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have you driven one of these utes ? Read the writeups on them ? I wouldnt complain about the handling of one thats for sure !!!

Also this certain car is a ute , but figures wouldnt be far off with a sedan :-)

Also it was the 1st pass so a 1.83 60' was all it did as it wasnt pushed hard off the line . So it might even go a bit quicker .

Seeing as this is the Off Topic section ...

/Rant ON
The naiveness and narrow mindedness on this sight in the past year or so is what has really made me not share information about anything lately .

As soon as you mention anything , " Its not as good as a toyota " and "its not as good as something designed 20 years ago" .

This is the off topic section but so many people cant leave it as that . Its all about trying to prove or say that Its just a Ute , or Just a holden , or Its only got this much power or This fast , or lack of fast , but i wouldnt do it that way ...

Then again, what should i expect from a Toyota forum ??? Well i used to get open opinions and minds , who welcome alot of stuff and information from all sorts of life in the motor industry ... Not so much anymore :-(

/rant off
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Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 11:46 am, by:  Paul Knox (Surreal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I suspect the Rant was aimed primarily at me.

Just so you know My Daily Drive is a heavily Customized FORD XR6-turbo UTE.
I can safely say it's a one of a kind !!!
If anyone should be biased towards FORD it should be ME. I'm NOT.
It's got nothing to do with be one eyed or biased, towards TOYOTA it's the complete opposite to be perfectly honest.

It's about being honest and calling it for what it is.

It's about being objective !!

thats all , My Rant over.
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Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 02:11 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matt:

top gear tested one of the hsv utes, and it got the same time as an aston martin db9 lol
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Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 03:31 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul, So not aimed at you , lol ...

You are honest and give evidence towards your opinion . You dont just make statements and thats it , like many others .

Just the attitude that seems to have generalised over this past year on these forums .

I think its great people love their cars , but the real open-ness seems to have drifted and everything turns personal somehow . Or people are too lazy to write their opinions ???
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Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 04:55 pm, by:  Paul Knox (Surreal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok no worries , just checking , I'm all for a strong debate rather than flippant one liners !
Damian Ware
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Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 08:14 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Daniel Clarke wrote on Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 03:31 pm:

Just the attitude that seems to have generalised over this past year on these forums




It certainly has.

Both ford and holden cars and with there newer utes have improved the handeling by massive amounts. Whilst IMO they still lack the reliability, refinement and they are built to a lower price point. There design (small evolutionary improvements over the last 25 years) in there latest cars isn't all that bad (keep in mind most toyota vehicles have seen near zero improvements in the last 10 years). Even though I wouldn't own one, the package and most importantly power for the price is hard to ignor.

In terms of the boost control what are they doing?

Positive displacement superchargers do not normally have any form of boost control. The only method that I am aware of is by using DBW and closing the the throttle even though the driver has the foot placed at WOT.
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Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 06:19 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have to admit, the last ute I drove was a '99 SS Dunnydore - which was terrible - but I guess its also 11 year old tech and has no doubt they have come a long way since then.
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Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 05:01 pm, by:  Paul Knox (Surreal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

which brings me to my next point , I just drove a New XR6 for a 3 day stint as a hire car , and MY GOD !! the Drive by wire throttle is appalling. The amount of delay had me nervous attempting to pull into traffic.
I still couldn't get used to it after 3 days of driving ???

This is something that would make me think twice about buying a new car ,and the DSC was far to intrusive.

God help us all , we are creating a new era in motoring , where Driving skills are less important than Computer control. If your child is learning to drive in a NEW car with DSC or VSC etc, do not let them drive a vehicle without it , they will inevitably crash from over confidence and , no mechanical sympathy , and no real feel for what the car is doing.

RANT over !!
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Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 08:24 pm, by:  Joshua Rao (Soaren1) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Daniel Clarke wrote on Friday, November 26, 2010 - 07:58 am:

What about Simon from one of the Tuneshops in WA ...

Got himself a new GS ute, Just with a tune it made 361rwkw and backed it up with an 11.7 at the Perth Motorplex on wed night with just a set of ET Street Radials .




AMAZING

the gtr is around 11.3 factory stats
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Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 11:54 pm, by:  Costa Tsimiklis (Driftshop) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

DBW is great for proper engine control, but when manufactures use it, they use it to primarily govern warranties and so forth. A retune/new ECU that can alter the DBW settings can sharpen up the response.

Don't forget that the FPV Supercharged V8 is built for some bogan surfie wanker who has finance to buy one of these cars, with NO IDEA about performance and/or the aggressiveness of such a supercharger setup. They have really dumbed it down so that Joe average and his Wife can drive it down to the shops...

The game is on guys, I am thrilled that FPV are working the forced induction scene as much as the are. The real shame is that the engine has missed out on its VVT capabilities in Australian Form and that is loosely based on the Coyote V8. Prodive took a lot of the high tech stuff to keep the costs down, however I suppose that with the supercharger - those features would have been an expensive option, given that this car has enough torque to tow a plane.
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Monday, November 29, 2010 - 09:20 pm, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

AFAIK the boost control is a bypass valve, i think it was estimated that they were geared to 14psi but i dont know if its been confirmed yet or not.

I was dicing it out at wakefield today with a VE SS Ute or maloo and a FG GT (older one with 5.4). The FG was going pretty well, stock auto with R888's and did a 1:14, seemed to be pretty well sorted. It pretty impressive considering how much they weigh. Owner was definitely happy with it considering the track wasnt even fully dry.

The ute... not so much, but I think the driver was a bit green because I was catching him a little to quickly and im not that good of a driver :-).

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