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Dave Rose
Goo Roo
wa
uzz31 v8
Posts: 1399
Reg: 03-2007
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Hell!!! how close to the screen were you? |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 6057
Reg: 10-2005
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Its caused by the eye muscles having to work in ways they are not evolved to cope with & its a well documented consequence of watching 3D television and movies.
There are plenty of technical articles around that explain why its bad for you - but like most things to do with the body, if you ease yourself into it and don't overdo it, your body will adjust over time - most experts do agree there could be long term consequences for overdoing it though (the eye muscle equivalent of RSI) As is always the case, some people cope/adjust better than others. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11936
Reg: 11-2004
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Got it. First disappointment, no fooking manual.
There is an onscreen manual of sorts, but of course you can't be reading it while trying to do what it says.
It's also really retarded like reading the Help on a motherboard BIOS from 15 years ago.
It says the whatsit adjustment adjust the whatsit. No how, or why or explanation of any sort whatsoever.
This truly is a huge disappointment that they either couldn't afford, or don't care enough about their clients to produce a manual.
The menu's are also very un-intuitive. You have to pee around and go through many steps to do even the simplest of things.
The button layout on the remote was done by a fashion designer on drugs, with 2 rings of buttons around the main button so it's too easy to hit the outer ring instead of the inner ring and Poof! just wasted all those steps getting to where you wanted to adjust something.
After high quality CRT, the picture is well.. typical digital. Even when I backed the colours right off, bright reds still glow and fluoresc.
It used to be you had controls described as "contrast" and "brightness" whish were fairly self explanatory and did what they said.
One of the image controls is now called "picture". Hello!! It's a TV, we know it has a fooking picture!
It appears that you can't really order the channels nicely. I wanted to simply have Button 1 = Ch 2, 2 = Ch7, 3 = Ch9 etc but Noooo you can't do that!
You can delete channels, or move them to the button being used by another channel, but as eg no scanned channel uses Button 4, then you can't use it either.
As you can see, as much as I knew that getting a new TV would be a downgrade to the old CRT for picture quality, I wasn't expecting the complete idiocy that is supposed to be modern design.
Will I get used to it? I don't really have a choice, but I don't have to like it. |
Damian Ware
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ32
Posts: 1915
Reg: 10-2005
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That is dissapointing, my new sony phone is also a heap of •••• from a user interface perspective. Looks to be a growing sony problem....
Hopefully you get used to it and set it up so the picture is nice and natural and not glowing. |
Chris Lock
DieHard
sa
V8 Limited
Posts: 807
Reg: 03-2008
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What was the Sony Bonus? |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11940
Reg: 11-2004
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Chris Lock wrote on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 06:59 pm:What was the Sony Bonus?
Bonus 3D Entertainment Pack from Sony! Includes: 160GB PS3 console, 2 x 3D glasses and 3D transmitter, 2 x 3D movies, Gran Turismo 5 3D game, 4 x PS3 3D games voucher. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 6060
Reg: 10-2005
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I stopped buying Sony after I discovered what the inside of my (non functioning, out of warranty) 2 year old mini system looked like (a bunch of flimsy plastic that snapped at the slightest provocation) - but their TV's still have a good reputation as far as I know?
I bought Philips TV's for years, and my Philips LCD (now 5 years old) is great - but of course you can't get them any more - LG is the closest thing, and they aren't really tied to Philips any more anyway. |
Paul Knox
TryHard
QLD
uzz31 manual
Posts: 169
Reg: 08-2009
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Sony use Samsung Panels , or Sharp in some of the HX series.
and use their own elctronics.
I'm looking at the 55" hx800 Peter , I thought it had the best picture in the store along with the HX series 40 and 46".
I'm surprised about your findings, but interested to hear your thoughts.
I'm waiting till the new years to see whats on offer, or maybe longer to see what happens with 3d
There is about 15 movies in production for next year with 3d.
Plasma Produces the best picture, There is no debate about this, it is the best technology for optimum picture qualty, but it has drawbacks , like the others do.
LCD is lit by fluoro tubes, LED is LCD lit by LED's either back lit or side lit. side lit produces a thinner screen , backlit produces a better picture.
LCD can't produce Black , becasue the FLouro tube is always on. LED's can blink on and off , which is what 200hz technology is based on.
200hz is just the screen refreshing a 1oo times a second ie 100hz, and the LED backlight is blicking in between to also "suedo refresh the image" ie. 200hz
600hz on a Plasma , is a just a way of saying that 24fps is the same as 100hz really.
24fps into 600hz = 25 , it's all about the math behind the processing.
you can't refresh something 25.456 times or 103.54 times a sec , it can't be a fractional number , so the processors can handle the information.
Samsung or Sony , Panasonic if your going plasma, or a S/h Pioneer. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11944
Reg: 11-2004
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After much frustration the picture quality is now much better. I had to change a fair bit including a default setting that makes the picture "warm" to kill the red flaring.
There is still a lot I don't know what it does, or whether to mess with it, but over time I think it will be a great pic.
I will keep hassling Sony for a manual - not sure what my chances are. |
Joshua Rao
Goo Roo
WA
JZZ30 vvti auto GT-L (for sale $11k), TT (for sale $5.2k), 06 Hyundai Elantra (for sale $9.2k), 97 Blk UZZ31, JZZ30 vvti turbo blk manual, Legnum VR4, Alfa 156
Posts: 2235
Reg: 09-2006
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Guys do you think I should wait for Xmas specials before purchasing one now?
Great feedback read pen |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11945
Reg: 11-2004
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There are good deals out there now, whether it's cheaper at Christmas could depend on the exchange rate. Right now it's in our favour, it may not stay that way, and even so there is no guarantee that savings are being passed on.
However I heard today that the same TV was $3.5 about six months ago, so $2.5k with $1k bonus pack looks good to me! |
Shaydan Penniment
TryHard
WA
uzz30 4.0GT V8
Posts: 121
Reg: 08-2010
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Another great time is 'boxing day specials'. otherwise christmas specials are your way to go mate. |
Paul Knox
TryHard
QLD
uzz31 manual
Posts: 172
Reg: 08-2009
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most of the specials run thru till christmas , I'm hoping that they come up with something extra special to sell T.V's after Chrisse and into the new year , and the Strong dollar now shows with lower pricing again.
I've heard that the Packs are taking a while to get to people , unless you buy from a Sony store. |
Joshua Rao
Goo Roo
WA
JZZ30 vvti auto GT-L (for sale $11k), TT (for sale $5.2k), 06 Hyundai Elantra (for sale $9.2k), 97 Blk UZZ31, JZZ30 vvti turbo blk manual, Legnum VR4, Alfa 156
Posts: 2243
Reg: 09-2006
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Guys for reference I just got a
Sony KDL40HX800 Bravia 40" Full HD LED-LCD 3D Ready TV for $1730 from good guys. Harvey Norman was 2k with a $100 gift card.
Come bundled with:
Bonus 3D Entertainment Pack from Sony! Includes: 160GB PS3 console, 2 x 3D glasses and 3D transmitter, 2 x 3D movies, Gran Turismo 5 3D game, 4 x PS3 3D games voucher.
I'll be selling ps as I've already got one though |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 6071
Reg: 10-2005
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One of our larger electronics retailers in NZ posted a 5 million dollar loss this year on record sales of 500,000,000. Tough times for retailers, good news for consumers I guess. |
Damian Ware
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ32
Posts: 1924
Reg: 10-2005
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Which retailer?
DSE sells TV's below cost to compete with the bigger stores locally (price matching only). |
Boris Siljanoski
Goo Roo
Western Australia
LS400 + Soarer.
Posts: 1224
Reg: 11-2007
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When looking for a new TV, stay way from a brand called Kogan. |
James Buchan
DieHard
Vic
V8
Posts: 986
Reg: 10-2008
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Joshua Rao wrote on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - 03:44 am:
Josh, that's the same Sony TV I have mate. It works quite well, hooked up with the ps3 it performs really nicely! |
Joshua Rao
Goo Roo
WA
JZZ30 vvti auto GT-L (for sale $11k), TT (for sale $5.2k), 06 Hyundai Elantra (for sale $9.2k), 97 Blk UZZ31, JZZ30 vvti turbo blk manual, Legnum VR4, Alfa 156
Posts: 2246
Reg: 09-2006
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great to hear mate. I was pretty happpy with the price as well |
Chris Lock
DieHard
sa
V8 Limited
Posts: 808
Reg: 03-2008
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Matthew Sharpe wrote on Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 07:44 am:One of our larger electronics retailers in NZ posted a 5 million dollar loss this year on record sales of 500,000,000. Tough times for retailers, good news for consumers I guess
Be careful with that.. quite often they SAY they have made a loss, when in actual fact they just didn't make as much profit as was projected, and they CALL it a loss..
ie: we're going to make 100m this year.. oh noes, we only made 95m... so we made a loss of 5m .. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 6073
Reg: 10-2005
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It was Noel Leeming Group...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10689439
No, its definitely a loss - even with distributor rebating times are hard. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11954
Reg: 11-2004
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The PS3 bonus pack arrived today. No forking manual with that either, or with the controller.
Yet the 3D glasses came with a 42 paper page manual (many languages) and the little transmitter came with a 36 page manual - their original excuse for no manual with the TV was that they were helping the environment! Corporate hypocrisy.
More bad news - the PS3 doesn't behave properly using an expensive 3D HDMI cable.
I spoke to two (2) different Sony support people in Auckland to no avail, I was doing everything right but it wasn't working.
I took the PS3 and HDMI cable back to the store, the hooked it up and it worked.
Took it back home and it didn't work.
Left it for a while then my son came around, switched it on and it worked - Yay! Then after a while it just stopped again.
From further testing, it appears that the TV detects the HDMI input, but won't talk to it after the set has been on for a short while.
So I guess I somehow have to pack the 46" TV and post it back to Sony so they can test it and puzzle over it for a few weeks?
To say I am pissed with Sony is putting it mildly. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 6083
Reg: 10-2005
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Hmm, this is all interesting stuff to know (for those of us who haven't bought a TV for a while and will probably be upgrading in the near future) so keep us posted!
Expensive HDMI cables are a rip BTW. Go to Jaycar and tell them what you need it for and get them to recommend the cheapest cable they have that will do the job. It will work just as well as a $$hundreds cable. |
Leon Wright
Goo Roo
WA
4WD Hilux
Posts: 1189
Reg: 08-2006
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Have you tried a firmware update? Seems to be a common problem.
http://boardsus.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-3-General/Sony-Bravia-TV-giving-quot-No-Signal-quot-w ith-my-PS3-via-HDMI/td-p/44380222/page/3
I do find it rather amusing that two Sony devices have trouble communicating!
My Panasonic Bluray player was drifting out of sync really badly, updated the firmware and it came good. |
Ali Saeed
Goo Roo
WA
UZZ31
Posts: 3011
Reg: 09-2007
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when we bought our sony 46inch couple of years back the power supply died after 2 days(lol). we had got the tv from sony centre so they sent out a van the same day and replaced it for us with a new tv at no charge. just give sony a ring and tell them to bring you a new one. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11959
Reg: 11-2004
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As there is no HDMI cable supplied, I first connected them with the composite cable - which worked fine, but doesn't allow 3D operation. The first thing I did was get the update.
I found out about cheap HDMI cables later, though I may still take this one back.
Hopefully doing some more testing today to try and isolate the problem. |
Leon Wright
Goo Roo
WA
4WD Hilux
Posts: 1190
Reg: 08-2006
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Well you'll probably need to get a HDMI 1.4 compatible cable to do 3D.
Though they aren't supposed to put on the box which version the cables conform to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_comparison
I thought I'd solved my Audio/Video sync issues, but after watching the V8's yesterday I noticed the shows after were out of sync! The front speakers have started crackling now. Grr |
Gary Redman
TryHard
NSW
Accord Euro Luxury
Posts: 452
Reg: 09-2005
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JB's were selling 42 inch Hi def Lg Plasmas for $695 the other day.
I said it earlier in this thread, don't pay top price because the technology keeps changing and the prices keep dropping.
At these prices you could have a couple big screen plasmas throughout the house and still be better off than just having one big super-duper brand name LCD/LED. |
Damian Ware
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ32
Posts: 1928
Reg: 10-2005
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Re HDMI cables.
As the format/standard has changed over time the data rate has increased and the cable has been required to support a higher frequency ie Mhz.
The only difference for home audio applications is a lower capacitive coupling (capacitance reduces the signal over distance) a better built cable will have a lower capacitance. Longer the cable the higher the capacitance and the harder it is to make a cable which will meet the standard. Currently the longest cables which work are about 7m.
If you have a cable of suitable rating it will almost certainly work. I have tested from $12 to $200 1.5m cables rated correctly with zero difference in performance. HDMI is supporting a digital signal so as long as it gets to the other end it doesn't matter.
My dad has a projector and uses a 7m cable which is as long as is possible with HDMI, he has tried 2 cables all supposed to be the correct new format/higher data rate cables but the first cable didn't do the job sometimes worked sometimes didn't, hence why he bought a second cable which has worked perfectly.
It sounds to me like you have a cable issue even though you posted it was a 3D HDMI cable so it should work. I would be buying a cheap HDMI cable of suitable rating to test first before sending gear back. |
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31
Posts: 6095
Reg: 10-2005
|
Yup, digital data can either be decoded or it can't, there is no "improvement" in picture quality by spending more on an expensive cable like analogue formats. |
Dave Hart
Goo Roo
Waikato
UZZ32
Posts: 1576
Reg: 08-2005
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No need to spend more than $50 but you'll need to make a decision on whether you need a supple cable ie one that bends easy or do you need right angle connections. Some connections are now lockable which would work better in tight situations. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11964
Reg: 11-2004
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Took the $79 cable back, started looking at Jaycar for a flexible 1.5 metre 1.4 grade cable - no luck yet.
Thought about the right angle, but am going to tie the cable to the centre stand so the cables don't pull when we swivel the screen. |
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31
Posts: 11965
Reg: 11-2004
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And Sony are still crapping on about being eco-friendly about the manual - avoiding the actual questions I asked. |
Leon Wright
Goo Roo
WA
4WD Hilux
Posts: 1191
Reg: 08-2006
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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/2m-High-Speed-Ethernet-HDMI-Cable-v1-4-FULL-HD-3D-/120633549894?pt=AU_Electro nics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item1c1651e446
I'm just using a couple of $5 HDMI leads for my gear at home. Seams to work fine. At $6.50, pretty low risk trial.
Panasonic didn't supply me with a manual either. They emailed me one after I contacted them. Didn't bother me that much, PDFs are searchable, so I prefer digital  |
Joshua Rao
Goo Roo
WA
JZZ30 vvti auto GT-L (for sale $9.8k ono), TT (for sale $5.2k), 06 Hyundai Elantra (for sale $9.2k), 97 Blk UZZ31, 97 JZZ30 vvti turbo blk manual ($14k), Legnum VR4, Alfa 156
Posts: 2275
Reg: 09-2006
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my tvs still not in stock  |
Damian Ware
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ32
Posts: 1930
Reg: 10-2005
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My Dad's new working cable came from here.
http://www.ezyhd.com.au/hdmi-cables.html
Prices are quite good $20 for a 1.5m HDMI 1.4a cable and the cables are well finished and it worked (7m 1.4a cable) thus no compliants. |
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