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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 02:55 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Time to get a new TV and I know some of your guys have experience and opinions.

I have read a couple of threads here, all very helpful, but want to check whats recommended in todays market.

The viewing distance is about 3.5 metres, so I am thinking 40" - 46" screen size.

There are windows and lights, so plasma screens would be too reflective leaving LCD.

We are not really movie buffs, so it's more for TV than for home theatre, I won't be bothering with surround sound speakers etc.

If possible, I would like the inbuilt speakers to be reasonable so we can eg just switch the TV on to watch the news, not need to also turn on the Hi-Fi.

A rotating stand would be handy, though the Samsung 4-leg star design is probably too big for what the TV will be standing on.

We don't care about 3D except that the 3D sets might also be better for 2D eg higher refresh rate. Is 200Hz visibly an advantage over 100Hz?

Is Edge LED a better option?

1080p is a given it seems, and what I have looked at so far tends to be in the $1300 - $3000 price range.

Brands we have looked at so far, LG, Samsung, Sony - not in any particular order. We liked an LG 42LX6500 though it may have been due to the program, at the time they couldn't get it to show the crappy rugby broadcast that was on a similar 2D LG. LG come bundled with an Xbox pack which isn't of much interest.

The Sony 3D's come with a PS3 bundle that includes the 3D glasses/transmitter, but the units are also more expensive.

Any comments, criticism, suggestions appreciated.
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 03:14 pm, by:  Ross Spataro (Thfc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pete...I had a look at a sámsung full HD 50 inch plasma on the weekend at Retravision....came with a bonus bluray player and it was available for $1200...

Also looked at an LG 50 inch HD plasma (not full HD)at The Good Guys and it had a bonus 22'Lcd thrown in, by redemption...it was $1190...

Hope this helps....
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 03:21 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Ross, the deal breaker for plasma is the reflection off the glass screen. Most LCDs have a matt finish that is better suited for where the TV will be going.

LG seem to have 2 deals going depending what you buy - probably dollar value, either a bonus 22" TV or X-box pack.

Sony also have different deals depending on the model, not sure about Samsung.
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 04:02 pm, by:  Allan Langford (Allan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Samsung, sony or panasonic are the only brands i would consider.

leave the wallet at home and go walk around a hardly normals (harvy norman) store see what you like the look of
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Some of the plasmas used to not have the shiny reflective finish. I haven't checked the latest list of available units.

You could at one stage also get anti reflective coating which was the same as used on the likes of reading glasses.

As to the LCD's I am very happy with my Samsung F8 series and I looked at my uncles new LED Samsung in detail over the weekend which was also a very good unit.

I would suggest Toshiba, Sony or Samsung in no particular order are from what I have seen all worth looking at.

My advice would be to sit down and compare a few side by side making sure they are using the same source and HDMI cable then adjust the basic settings brightness contrast ect as typically in store settings are well over the top.

I would avoid SonicQ as they importer who used to be 3 doors down is no longer in business so I think not certain JB will just have remaing stock and warranty/replacement will be difficult.
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 04:48 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 02:55 pm:

If possible, I would like the inbuilt speakers to be reasonable so we can eg just switch the TV on to watch the news, not need to also turn on the Hi-Fi.

We don't care about 3D except that the 3D sets might also be better for 2D eg higher refresh rate. Is 200Hz visibly an advantage over 100Hz?


Any comments?
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i wouldnt think you would be able to tell the difference between 200hz and 100hz.
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 05:37 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Peter have you watched a 3D ?? I have just bought a LG 40" LCD ,best picture i could find...but now i wish i had gone for the 3D .
Plasmas use lots of power and get very hot.
The best thing I bought is a dual h/drive recorder.
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 05:42 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave, I haven't watched 3D, don't do many movies - who has time?

I have had an SD dual channel PVR for a while, brilliant (except not HD), record 2 channels and watch a 3rd or playback simultaneously - nice!

I am leaning towards 3D simply because of supposedly more up to date technology even if I don't watch 3D movies. Also, I am hoping whatever I get will last for a good few years (too optimistic?) so it makes sense to have better technology now.
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 06:39 pm, by:  Shaydan Penniment (Shaydy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Peter

There is a difference between the 100hz and the 200hz. The 200hz will give you a much more clear moving picture than the 100hz. i.e. less of a blur. It also depends how picky you are when it comes to picture quality, and also how much your willing to pay.

For LCD, you'd be surprised on who makes the better tv's. I have sold quite a few LG's that simply get returned because they tend to break and stuff up. Also remember that the larger the tv, the more the pixels are spread, so essentially, having a smaller tv usually means a better picture quality.
Recommendations for the LCD would definitely be Sony Bravia models,Samsung, Sharp, and even Sanyo because most have a market of 200hz products as well as great picture and sound quality and being energy efficient. Sony would be the most expensive and Sanyo the cheapest. Although Sanyo have really proven themselves over the years. Sanyo I think, is only available from Big W and Dick Smith.

Plasmas i wouldn't even go for. They are made up of bad components, one of which includes a gaseous compound. This reduces the life, quality of the tv, as well as making it unable to lay down (you obviously wouldn't lay it flat when watching it, only transport). And of course the reflection is a pain.

Now LED (LCD with LED back lighting or LED surround lighting) will produce a much more sharper and better quality picture. i.e. the black will be black. compared to an LCD where the black is more of a dark grey. In return though the LED's do cost a bit more, but it's worth it.

Also having a 46inch LED doesn't impact the picture quality as much as it would on the same size LCD. Despite what i said before about LG and the LCD, Samsung and LG are actually leading the way in LED tv's. Next year sometime or maybe even this year, things will start going wireless. So from your LED to your Blu-Ray will be wireless.

As for the the speaker quality, it's hard to judge over the internet, although going into your local store and turning the volume up helps
Also remember that the higher the contrast ratio- the better picture quality. That's another reason why LED's are better because they have a higher contrast ratio.

3D is just the technology on how you view the tv. At the moment LED is the latest in TV technology with 3D viewing.

If i had a few grand i would get the Samsung 3D LED (There are quite a few different models) Mainly because from what i have seen, they produce the best quality picture, best energy rating and they look really nice (also most come with swivel stand). Also LG are pretty tops. Size wise- Depends how deep your wallet or credit card can go.

LCD, I would choose the 46" Sony Bravia (once again, quite a few models). But as i stated above there are quite a few good brands When it comes to LCD. I can't state how well Panasonic are as I haven't had much feedback about them. The Sony and Sharp models have the option to use the old RCA inputs for stereo surround (red and white) so that you can enjoy surround sound whilst watching tv and movies. Other Brands you have to use a digital optical out cable or coaxil cable.

All options for tv's above are for a 1080p resolution.

Hope this Helps Peter. And hope you didn't fall asleep reading it
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 06:54 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is very helpful Shaydan, thank you for taking the time.

At present I am liking this:
Sony KDL40HX800 Bravia 40" Full HD LED-LCD 3D Ready TV $2k
or
Sony KDL46HX800 46" Full HD LED-LCD 3D Ready TV $2.9k

Both come bundled with:
Bonus 3D Entertainment Pack from Sony! Includes: 160GB PS3 console, 2 x 3D glasses and 3D transmitter, 2 x 3D movies, Gran Turismo 5 3D game, 4 x PS3 3D games voucher.

I haven't shopped prices yet.

I have been playing with my daughters LG HD 36" for a while as she is out, and I am feeling sad that my old CRT has died as it had so much more natural skin tones. Perhaps with enough fiddling I can get a LCD to look close however.
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 07:15 pm, by:  Shaydan Penniment (Shaydy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That deal is actually quite a good one. RRP price for ps3 160gb around $488-$520, Plus the Games and vouchers, 3D glasses are around $89 each. So ypu've got just about 1k of goods there.

But it depends if you really want the extra 6 inches of screen for $900. It doesn't sound like much (6 inches) but it makes the TV Viewing experience so much better.

Average price is $2649 starting price for the Sony KDL46HX800, making it's way up to $3500. So to get all that stuff with it is pretty good.

Plus you've got the satisfaction of owning a Sony TV and the best Blu-Ray player on the market.
Sony invented the Blu-ray player and actually are one of the only manufacturers of the lens. Top brands actually buy the lens off of Sony and put it in their players.
I say it's the best Blu-Ray player because you'll find that in some players, they won't play the full sound and/or picture quality available, regardless if they're 108p or not. The PS3 however will. Also updates for Blu-Rays are usually needed a bit. An example of this would be when Avatar came out. No Blu-Ray player could play it except one- The Ps3. This is because the PS3 updates the system via the games you play or the internet. Compared to conventional Blu-ray players where the update has to be downloaded via the internet, or by buying disks then inserting the disks into the player.
The reason for updating is so the player can play the graphic content on the disk, hence why Avatar could not be played, as it had a monumental amount of graphic content.
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Peter Nitschke wrote on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 04:48 pm:

If possible, I would like the inbuilt speakers to be reasonable so we can eg just switch the TV on to watch the news, not need to also turn on the Hi-Fi.

We don't care about 3D except that the 3D sets might also be better for 2D eg higher refresh rate. Is 200Hz visibly an advantage over 100Hz?




3D is somewhat cool but the software is currently lacking. I would probably get a 3D TV if I was buying one today as the extra cost isn't great and TV's are often software upgradeable so it maybe more future proof.

As to speakers, the speakers in the samsung I have are quite good, it has a separate sub and the sound quality and base was a surprise to me.

The sony and panasonic TV's also have quite reasonable sound I have little experience with anything else in this area. But keep in mind this is a TV I don't consider the sound Hi-Fi or suitable for movies.


Dave Rose wrote on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 05:37 pm:

Plasmas use lots of power and get very hot.




Plasmas are not as bad as there reputation. Often they will use about 100w more for the same size TV, which is a highish powered incandescent light globe. IMO I wouldn't be concerned about the power consumption of LCD vs Plasma unless the TV is running 24/7 such as a shop display as there are many other ways to save on power bills.
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Shaydan Penniment wrote on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 06:39 pm:




Looks like all good advice to me except for the comments about the plasmas and bad components. This comes across as typical salesmen talk.

They are not that bad and often offer better contrast and better blacks. My uncle just replaced his 30" plasma one of the first available which he paid 30k for. This had a non reflective screen like all LCD's today (this is a just a thin layer of plastic with a non perfectly smooth finish) and has lasted over 10 years.
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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 11:47 pm, by:  Shaydan Penniment (Shaydy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know.. Plasma's do get very hot. But i have seen some use less power than LCD's, But the LCD brand was a cheap brand.

I'm not saying they're bad tv's. Plasma's started a flat screen revolution. All i'm saying is that they would be the least desirable option out of the LCD, LED LCD and the Plasma's.

And having seen quite a few plasma's i would greatly prefer an LCD or LED due to the fact of them being better quality.

As for the lasting. it's hard to say when they stuff up. You could buy a 3k tv, and it could break in less than a month- it happens.


Damian Ware wrote on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 11:37 pm:

This comes across as typical salesmen talk


i'll think you'll find that a salesman will try to sell you just about any product listed, unless they were pushing you to a higher TV.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 01:32 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am appreciating this discussion guys. I have pretty much ruled out Plasma due to every one we saw today was highly reflective.

Talking with my wife tonight, we are leaning towards the Sony 46" 3D Model Number: KDL46HX800 with the Bonus pack. Goodguys advertise it at $2698 though don't mention the bonus pack.

Shaydan, most of what you say seems spot on, as mentioned in the first post, we did like the picture on the LG 3D LED set, but yeah, LG = Lucky Goldstar tends to bother me, whereas Sony has always been respected for TV, I had a 26" Profeel which I finally dumped about 4 weeks ago, having mild pangs of regret hehehe..

LG comes with an X-Box bonus which I have no interest in whatsoever.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 02:22 am, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi peter

forget about 100hz/200hz, it should be turned off anyways.

3D TV: dont even bother. for starters you need to be ~1M from the display to experience 3D properly (have you ever noticed the 3D demo at JB, the chairs are less than 1M from the display?). I would put money on the fact that if you bought a 3D TV, you will be very dissatisfied with it and wish you hadn't.

LED backlit vs LCD?: not much difference really. LED is more energy efficient and thinner so you have the option to wall mount if you wish. Not a lot picture difference at all.

I would buy a Samsung. They are great TV's. If you want a TV that projects a great picture and doesn't hurt the wallet, get a Samsung 46" LCD. JB list them for $1696 but im sure if you went in you could pick one up for $1500 or less. You will not be dissapointed.

http://www.jbhifi.com.au/tv-lcd-led-plasma/samsung/46-inch-full-hd-lcd-100hz-tv-sku-52293/
http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/lcd-tv/LA46C650L1FXXY/index.idx?pagetyp e=prd_detail&returnurl=

if you want the next thing up, that would be the LED model that JB list for $2296
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/tv-lcd-led-plasma/samsung/46-inch-full-hd-led-lcd-tv-sku-52407/
http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/led-tv/UA46C6900VFXXY/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=
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Shaydan Penniment wrote on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 06:39 pm:

There is a difference between the 100hz and the 200hz. The 200hz will give you a much more clear moving picture than the 100hz. i.e. less of a blur. It also depends how picky you are when it comes to picture quality, and also how much your willing to pay.



Shaydan Penniment wrote on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 06:39 pm:

Now LED (LCD with LED back lighting or LED surround lighting) will produce a much more sharper and better quality picture. i.e. the black will be black. compared to an LCD where the black is more of a dark grey. In return though the LED's do cost a bit more, but it's worth it.




sorry if this may come across rude but are you serious? everything you said there is wrong..

100hz/200hz should be turned off. cant be bothered explaining at this time of the night but these features should be turned off.

LED will NOT produce a sharper image or a better quality image, that is absolutely false. LED is just the backlight, it still uses LCD as the display. yes, an led backlight tv will produce a darker black, but the way tv's come off out of the box are not the way tv's are meant to be viewed. they need a calibration and after calibration, an led and lcd tv should look identical.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 03:36 am, by:  Shaydan Penniment (Shaydy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes the LED are the back lights and use the LCD, hence why they are LCD LED, BUT! because the LED produces brighter colours,the picture quality is enhanced through the colour spectrum being more evenly distributed. If you compare an LCD with an LED RGB you can see that the LED is much better.

And as for the close viewing, my friend has a Samsung 46" full HD LED 3D tv and views it from his couch some 2m-3m away and it's still brilliant.

Peter, the reason for the cost of the LED is because of the so called "LED parts", compared to the LCD.

Now we could argue for ages on this matter. I am stating stuff from what i have seen and read about. But i have seen the effects first hand. and i tend to like the picture of an LED simply because my eye likes it better than the standard LCD. As for the Hz, i'm intregued to know why to turn it off? Why would an option that is highly considered to be a factor when buying a tv according to experts, be switched off? why would a leading company invest money into building a product that is considered useless?

Good luck with the purchase Peter, and enjoy your new TV as well as your ps3.

And Warren, i'm not having a go at you either mate, just a bit confused as to why you would say this. Would be a nice learning curve for me.
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Shaydan Penniment wrote on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 03:36 am:

my friend has a Samsung 46" full HD LED 3D tv and views it from his couch some 2m-3m away and it's still brilliant.


Which model?

The Samsungs we saw came with a big star style base which looked to be too big for where it has to stand. They probably do a more standard plastic stand for only $$$ extra!
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If its of any help, I've noticed that Samsung TV's, while usually having a fantastic picture, are usually housed in VERY poor quality plastics that have been very poorly moulded. Take a look at the shiny black frame around the edges of a Samsung TV and notice how dimply and wavy it is. Puts me right of them aesthetically. Sony, Panasonic and even Sharp and LG are definitely superior at least in this one area.
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Warren Moore wrote on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 02:22 am:

3D TV: dont even bother. for starters you need to be ~1M from the display to experience 3D properly (have you ever noticed the 3D demo at JB, the chairs are less than 1M from the display?). I would put money on the fact that if you bought a 3D TV, you will be very dissatisfied with it and wish you hadn't.




I saw a samsung 3d demo whilst at the Shanghai expo and I was standing 4m from the screen and it worked perfectly.

I was about 3m from my uncles display on the weekend and had no issues so I'm not sure what you mean by being 1m from the screen.

I don't mind the 3D side of things but it is new technology still developing. I think in 2-3 years time it will be much better and it will come standard on all TV's.

As to how many blue ray movies will be available in 3D to use the feature any body care to guess.
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Matthew Sharpe wrote on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 07:51 am:

If its of any help, I've noticed that Samsung TV's, while usually having a fantastic picture, are usually housed in VERY poor quality plastics that have been very poorly moulded. Take a look at the shiny black frame around the edges of a Samsung TV and notice how dimply and wavy it is. Puts me right of them aesthetically. Sony, Panasonic and even Sharp and LG are definitely superior at least in this one area.




The cheaper models certainly do not the best quality of finish but the upper models certainly do.
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Shaydan Penniment wrote on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 03:36 am:

Yes the LED are the back lights and use the LCD, hence why they are LCD LED, BUT! because the LED produces brighter colours,the picture quality is enhanced through the colour spectrum being more evenly distributed. If you compare an LCD with an LED RGB you can see that the LED is much better.




Of course, out of the box the LED would look more "vibrant", but this is just a sales point and TV's should never be viewed out of the box, they should go through a detailed calibration. There is a standard for how TV's should look, and a calibration will adjust your display to these standards, fixing those really dark blacks and over saturated colors, because that is essentially all they are.


Shaydan Penniment wrote on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 03:36 am:

And as for the close viewing, my friend has a Samsung 46" full HD LED 3D tv and views it from his couch some 2m-3m away and it's still brilliant.




Your still going to get the 3D effect from 10M away, but you want to be as close to the display as possible for optimum experience. Could get real in depth but in a nutshell the farthest point of a 3D TV image appears farther away from the TV screen. For "Optimum" 3d experience, you want to get as close to a 70 degree field of view as possible.


Peter Nitschke wrote on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 03:52 am:

As for the Hz, i'm intregued to know why to turn it off? Why would an option that is highly considered to be a factor when buying a tv according to experts, be switched off? why would a leading company invest money into building a product that is considered useless?




I don't know who you consider an "expert", a sales rep maybe? because a sales rep have absolutely no clue about these things, they sell TV's without even knowing what these features actually do.

Companies invest in these products to sell products, people don't even know what they are buying but people think the more hz the better, WRONG!

Motion Flow or what ever the hell you want to call it should be turned OFF. All this motion flow rubbish is just interpolation. Basically they are creating artificial frames within frames creating an image that isn't even real. Had 100hz meant 100 FPS, that would be great and ideal, but its not what it means. 100Hz just means the pixels are refreshed at 100 times per second. This is different to frame rate, which is the number of frames shown per second. eg - a movie projector has a frame rate of 24fps, but each frame is usually illuminated 2-3 times, so the actual refresh rate is 48-72Hz, but the frame rate is still 24. This is why movies are still reasonably smooth, even though 24fps is not really fast enough for smooth motion alone. Hence why 100hz is still nice with. say 25fps.

Basically, I'm a bit of a purist, I like to watch a movie in a way that matches as closely as possible how you would see it at a properly set up cinema. Think of it as watching Avatar (as an example) the way James Cameron wanted you to see it, not the way the head of marketing at Sony/Samsung/Panasonic etc THINK you should see it.


Shaydan Penniment wrote on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 06:39 pm:

Although Sanyo have really proven themselves over the years. Sanyo I think, is only available from Big W and Dick Smith.




For the love of god, do NOT buy a Sanyo or equivalent cheap panel. If you took a Sanyo or Hisense panel to a professional calibrator, they wouldn't even bother touching it.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 11:50 am, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm sort of with Warren on the motion flow extra frame thing but my TV has it and it works. There is also a cool demo mode which you can play with where the motion flow is only turned on for one side of the screen.

As Warren has said the output from the blue ray disc contains 24 frames per second of data.

You need about 20 frames per second for the human brain to see the pictures as a continuous motion picture. IE anything more is perfect just like real life.

So looking at it like the above the extra frames are worthless. But I have found the extra frames do help with fast moving imagines such as fight scences.

The computer generated frames which have been described to me as each pixel being turn on in a state half way between each frame from the source.

This is done as there is a time delay for each pixel to change state (delay is related to the extent ofthe change ie it takes 6ms from white to black but it might take 3ms from white to grey) so this helps to reduce they delay causing blur as the pixel only has to change half as much and it is instructed to change twice as often.

I think but I am not certain that this results in effectly reducing the response time to half if you have double the refresh rate with an intrapolated frame.

I have experimented with it on my TV, I couldn't tell you if it is currently turned on or off but it helps but also creates a slightly weird 3D effect (very minimal/barely noticeable on my TV but it was much worse on the Sony TV XBR which I compared mine to at the time of purchased)
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Damian Ware wrote on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 11:50 am:

There is also a cool demo mode which you can play with where the motion flow is only turned on for one side of the screen.




Yeah haha, that demo is absolute rubbish, that's not how motion flow works at all. That demo has been engineered that way to give people that WOW sensation. But have you noticed that when you turn motion flow on when watching TV, its makes things less choppy? Why doesn't the demo make the writing more smooth and less choppy rather than making the text clear? If the demo were correct, it would have choppy but still clear to read text on one side and smooth scrolling text on the other.. total gimmick haha
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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 12:18 pm, by:  Warren Moore (Warreng) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh and all the stuff I learn is from a professional calibrator, Aaron from Avical. He is arguably the best calibrator in Australia.
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Warren Moore wrote on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 12:13 pm:

Yeah haha, that demo is absolute rubbish, that's not how motion flow works at all. That demo has been engineered that way to give people that WOW sensation. But have you noticed that when you turn motion flow on when watching TV, its makes things less choppy? Why doesn't the demo make the writing more smooth and less choppy rather than making the text clear? If the demo were correct, it would have choppy but still clear to read text on one side and smooth scrolling text on the other.. total gimmick




??? The text on the screen is clear and smooth on both sides of the screen when and when not running the demo. Incase you are not aware the demo only applies extra frames to half the screen over the source you are using (this isn't a fake demo just motion flow on half the screen).

The best example I can think of for comparison is a ball being thrown across the screen, plane or car going passed.

There certainly is the sensation of the imagine being better on the half of the screen with motion flow turned on.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 01:52 pm, by:  Leon Wright (Techman) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

3D TV's are great, they make normal TVs cheaper. It's really just a gimmick that's ruining movies. Due to the way that the cameras work, things have to filmed differently, meaning you actually lose a lot of depth and all the little things that make up for a scene. The sooner this "3D" phase is over the better. I'm waiting for Holographic video, now that will be cool.

Then again, I'm biased as I'm part of the 12% of the population that 3D doesn't work for :-)
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Damian Ware wrote on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 04:24 pm:

I would suggest Toshiba, Sony or Samsung in no particular order are from what I have seen all worth looking at.




We have a pair of Toshiba LCD's. Very happy with them- we mainly watch free TV with the occasional DVD. Sound quality is good from factory speakers and I prefer it to our home theatre set up on some programs, particularly sports where you want to hear the commentary etc. Admittedly we have a 'home stereo', not 'home theatre', so apparently our music sounds great, and our tv sounds

The only thing I don't like on the older one(4 YO) is the way the TV program guide is displayed. You have to go through every channel one by on for it to update. The new one (6 months) has fixed this, and whilst it is much smaller (30 something inches) the picture seems better again and the sound is still good (but not as good as the larger one)
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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 03:57 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ben, your usage is similar to ours. Mainly TV, occasional dvd, good quality stereo music.

I have ordered the Sony 3D, it seems the best fit/value for our purposes. The store I went to today had a great layout that made some sort of visual comparison easy.

$2549 for the 46" includes $125 store credit plus the Sony Bonus which is worth close to $1k.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 04:28 pm, by:  Ben Lipman (Ben12a) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cool.

It is raining, I'm bored, I' m finished work and the track car is on the trailer so I have little to do. There was something I needed to Google, but I got side tracked and have forgotten what it was.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 04:29 pm, by:  Gary Redman (Gary) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just my 2 cents worth, but every time I pay top dollar for the latest and greatest (especially TV's) 12 months later it is about half price and something else is being promoted as the bees knees.
I paid $3,500 for a 50" Panasonic HD Plasma 3 years ago that can be picked up for around $1,000 or less at JB's now.

I don't think I would buy 3D yet as I am sure it will drop heaps in price over the next year or so.

On the other hand, 4 years ago I bought 4 x 42" Soniq Plasmas from JB's and gave one to each of my kids. All 4 of them have been brilliant and not one of them has needed a service call. If they were to break now we would just throw them away and buy another one for $800- $1000.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 05:04 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That will certainly do the job and is good value with extra stuff thrown in.

Let us know how it goes.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 06:45 pm, by:  Garion Gibson (Gordy) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If it helps anyone, I just bought a 50' 3D Panasonic plasma, it is in my bedroom attached to my PlayStation 3.

I only own Black Ops as a 3D game, the first time i played it my eyes hurt after 90 mins, so i stop'd playing in 3D. Come Sunday and i couldn't resist, The 3D makes it twice as good, it actually feels like you'r in the game, i played for 4 hours straight.

Since then, 2 doctor visits, 2 different medications and constant eye pain and headaches.

Basically i can't move my left eye off center.

So to anyone who wants a 3D TV, it is well worth it. Just follow the safety warnings and take regular breaks. Don't suffer the same fate as me.

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