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Ian Rigby
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Friday, January 06, 2012 - 07:33 pm, by: Ian Rigby (Hiro)

Sebastian Grant wrote on Friday, January 06, 2012 - 03:57 pm:
an. It doesn't matter what you're into, you'll find that every manufacturer of any product just about does that. I love mountain biking and You'd think that theyre essentially a very simple thing but every single year they get upgraded in one way or another. I was going to buy myself a 2011 model trek then the 2012 model came out and with the improvements they've made I just have to have it even though the 2011 model is $1500 cheaper now.

iPhone 4 comes out, a year later comes the iPhone 4gs.

Look at the developments in Televsions over the last couple of years. Plasma, hd, LCD, full hd, 3d. Led, oled. Now they're are talking about 3d Televsions that don't require glasses and even holographic televisions.

Don't hate the player my friend.

Yes the consumer electronics market is a fickle thing, I agree. I don't like how Apple continually release new versions either (just gives the fanbois something more to brag about whilst mindlessly buying the next "great" thing...). The car industry for the most part is different though, and buying a car is one of the biggest financial decisions a person can make (something that can't be said for a TV or an iPod). For a volume seller like a Corolla or Commodore, with stiff competition from many other cars, the manufacturers need to keep the car fresh and the buyers through the door, so semi-regular updates and limited editions are appropriate. When it comes to halo cars like the GTR however, you should be selling cars on image and reputation alone, with no need to spice up the deal or massage the specs in order to attract buyers.

Look at cars like the 430 (the 458 hasn't been out long enough) - a 5 year model cycle and not one facelift or upgrade (a few variants were released such as the Spider and Scuderia, but the base car stayed the same). Also the 997 - 6 year model life and only one major upgrade in that time. The GTR on the other hand, is 4 years in and already on it's 2nd facelift (for 3 total versions including release), with more to come no doubt. Considering the approximately 6 year gap between the R34 and the R35, the amount of seemingly tiny tweaks that Nissan have applied since launch makes me devalue the original even more - they spent all that time supposedly getting the car perfect, and within 2 years they've already changed it....can't have been that "perfect" to begin with, and it isn't like technology has improved in the meantime - people have been remapping ECUs and upping boost for donkeys years.

Now before you go saying that those are both exotics, remember they are the GTRs direct competition.

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Friday, January 06, 2012 - 08:39 pm, by: Sebastian Grant (Saabg)

What about the murcielago. Isn't there 25 different variants? Do you honestly believe that they could have made the car way faster than the Porsche 4 years ago but decided to just make it a little bit quicker? Essentially what you are complaining about is a car company constantly developing a car to make it better. I dont think people who buy them would complain about upgrading every year when they take into consideration that it's main rival is a Porsche that costs more, performs worse and is less practical.

I just think it's going to be interesting seeing what comes out of Japan now that they are over their stupid gentlemans agreement. I think the europeans are going to lose a bit of market share to the japs once/if the other car companies start making more affordable super cars. Hopefully they still make some cool tuner cars as well though.

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Friday, January 06, 2012 - 09:20 pm, by: Dan McColl (Hoon)

Sebastian Grant wrote on Friday, January 06, 2012 - 04:09 pm:
You're missing the point though mate. You're going to need a lot more than your snap on set to work on the gtr.

Think back 20 years. Do you think any backyard mechanic 20 years ago thought that they could work on an R32 GTR?? with it's hicas, and 4wd systems and twin turbocharging?? 20 years ago no-one would have even thought about doing backyarders on them. Then as time goes along and the stuff you need to work on them becomes available then every backyarder can tinker with them.

New one will be no different. Mechanical stuff is still mechanical stuff, held together with the same nuts and bolts that have been used for 100 years. Electronics is moving at an alarming rate and it won't be long until the tech needed to get into the electronics can be downloaded from piratebay and from there any backyarder can do whatever he wants to his R35 GTR.

Sebastian Grant wrote on Friday, January 06, 2012 - 03:57 pm:
Dan, when you say the gtr was boring to drive wouldn't you equate that to being safer to drive. Let's be honest, the more dangerous something's seems the more fun it is. Put me in a shopping cart and roll me down a hill and I'll be having the time of my life but it doesn't mean that the shopping kart is a nice ride.

I wouldn't consider it safer. Firstly you don't buy a car like that to be safe. Secondly it just means than now instead of pushing the limits at 80 km/h up the mountain run you are doing 140 to get the same thrill. If it all comes unstuck I'd rather crash at 80 than at 140.
If you want safer buy a Volvo.

I won't deny the GTR is a very fast and capable car, but it's not a fun car, nor is the performance accessible anywhere but a track. My soarer, whilst slower around a track and slower from 0-100 (faster from 100-200 though