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Michael Sinay
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Saturday, March 10, 2012 - 11:31 pm, by:  Michael Sinay (Mikey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just filled up, and petrol was the most expensive I have ever seen. $1.69 for BP Ultimate, and LPG was was in the 90c range. Unleaded 1.55 i think it was.

This is getting ridiculous. LPG used to be 1/3 of the cost of fuel, now its 2/3s. I was literally thinking this week of swapping to straight LPG and claim what's left of the rebate, but now I'm not sure if its even going to be worth it. Is there any relief in sight?
E85 perhaps? Will it's price follow the same trend or not, seeing as it comes from a different source?

By the way I just drove into the Caltex at Tempe which is meant to sell E85, but I couldn't see it anywhere in there. Should it be on the bowsers like the other fuels?
Dan McColl
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Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 01:10 am, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Petrol is so damned cheap it's ridiculous. People pay $3 for a litre bottle of water yet complain about half that price for a litre of petrol.

To make a litre of petrol, you need to build an oil rig, drill a giant deep hole in the ground, get the oil out and store it. Transport it halfway around the world, refine it, crack it, store the different products, transport these products all over the place, have stations and bowsers in place for people to get the petrol, pay staff at every step of the way, and make a profit and they're doing all this for $1.50 a litre and you think it's too much.

Petrol is so cheap it's stupid.
Michael Sinay
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Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 06:49 am, by:  Michael Sinay (Mikey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok I won't complain until it hits $3 a litre then... good one.
A year or 2 ago lpg was 50c a litre, did the cost to get it to the pump nearly double in that time?

$3 for a bottle of water is ridiculous too, try comparing it to a litre of tap water instead and see how things compare.
Peter Williams
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Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 07:28 am, by:  Peter Williams (Skeeta) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't use 20 litres of coke at a time.
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Monday, March 12, 2012 - 09:41 am, by:  Matt Newman (Soarersrock) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dan petrol is cheep whats not cheep is the taxes imposed on it which makes up about 2/3 of the price.
Ali Saeed
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Monday, March 12, 2012 - 01:58 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

diesel is the way to go, the economy returned is far far better than any petrol engine
Daniel Clarke
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Monday, March 12, 2012 - 03:09 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm with dan ! People pay stupid prices for drinks and takeaway foods which are crap , yet comPlain about the fuel used to propell vehicles .

I had this same argument with a racer at Sydney drag way . He bought 2 gatorades and 2 red bull cans for $19 . The. Said how he might sell his car as fuel is getting too expensive to keep racing.

I said you just paid almost 20 bucks for not even 2 litres , and your complaining about $1.60 for petrol ???

He proceeded to laugh and agreed how silly it sounded .

Try Europe where fuel is so overpriced its crazy ! For what I get out of a tank of fuel , I won't complain as nothing will compare for the cost . Public transport to and from work would cost me in excess of $50 wk as well as tripling travel times .

Fuel is the least of my concerns . Paying triple of my homes value to the bank ( 2/3 interest ) over 25 yrs whilst the bank posts 4 billion $ profit per year , now That's worth complaining about !
Michael Sinay
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Monday, March 12, 2012 - 08:43 pm, by:  Michael Sinay (Mikey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's cool if people want to pay stupid prices for bottled water, gatorades and red bulls, that's their choice, they have a choice whether to buy them or not. Personally i never buy any of that kind of thing.
But when it comes to petrol, we don't have a choice, there is 1 price, and no alternative other than to not drive our cars, which is an alternative I won't take as I like driving and public transport will take me an extra hour to get to and from work. So in the meantime, if prices keep rising like this, I'm going to complain.
Especially with the LPG prices, clearly that is just greed and profiteering and has nothing to do with the actual cost of the product.
Dan McColl
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Monday, March 12, 2012 - 10:40 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Complain all you like. Either pay it or walk.

As was mentioned near enough to half the cost of petrol is tax, Good luck getting that that reduced.

As for profiteering, it's called a business. You don't run a business to not make profit.
Aaron Mead
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Monday, March 12, 2012 - 11:34 pm, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You mexicans have nothing to complain about!
Matthew Sharpe
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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 05:56 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ah well, 95 is up to $2.25+ here in NZ - even with the exchange rate taken into account at least you can still get quality petrol for less than we pay here.
Michael Sinay
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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 08:01 am, by:  Michael Sinay (Mikey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the helpful advice dan, i think you missed the point of my post, I was hoping for opinions on which fuels may not see similar rates of price increases to petrol and lpg over the near future.
My thoughts were that seeing e85 is not a non-renewable resource perhaps its prices will remain a bit more consistent. But please correct me if this is not the case.
Michael Fuhrmann
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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 12:11 pm, by:  Michael Fuhrmann (Tha_new_dude) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Im on United 100 $1.57, its 10c cheaper than Vortex 98 and i get more out of a tank

win win
Daniel Clarke
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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 03:54 pm, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Supply and demand . More demand forces prices up !

Like LPG , since the gvt rebate LPG prices have risen 40% ! More users means more taxes to charge to make up the mOney they just gave out .
Michael Fuhrmann
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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - 07:04 am, by:  Michael Fuhrmann (Tha_new_dude) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if $1.60 hurts try running a car on Maximal @ $7.80 a litre
Shane Haverkamp
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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - 03:54 pm, by:  Shane Haverkamp (Havabeer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

also don't think that buying a small engined sack of poo car instantly means better fuel economy. i bought a 1983 suzuki carry. 1 ltr 4 cylinder as my daily to work. (its a total pedofile piece of but i love it) but it costs me about $25 to fill it up and i only get about 250k's out of that, mainly because i have to rev the poo out of it to get it to go anywhere.

whats more annoying is people who pay for premium fuels when there cars dont need it. i've ran my soarer on normally unleaded for a while, you notice a bit of difference between it and 98. but people who have non performance orientated cars or drive to a 3000rpm gear change every gear but still run there cars on premium fuel (using my gf and her lancer as an example now) i keep trying to tell her, her 2011 lancer would run exactly the same on the 10c a liter cheaper 95 ron.
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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - 05:50 pm, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Better mileage. Tried this a couple of times in a 2010 kluger Melbourne to Darwin, a 1990 S class benz, and a 97 camry. A clear 10% min better mileage over non stop 100km/h plus speeds, although this might be less than obvious in city driving. Would be very hard to measure in the city as well, with red lights and traffic unpredictable.
On the open Stuart Highway, you didnt come to a stop between refuels.
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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - 06:05 pm, by:  Aaron Mead (Aaron) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ooh same in the Celsior too.
Matthew Sharpe
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Thursday, March 15, 2012 - 07:46 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Shane Haverkamp wrote on Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - 03:54 pm:

cars on premium fuel (using my gf and her lancer as an example now) i keep trying to tell her, her 2011 lancer would run exactly the same on the 10c a liter cheaper 95 ron.




So true, the only thing I put 98 in these days is my lawn mower.

My mother in law was putting 98 in her 2010 Accord - rated for 91 octane by Honda. Managed to convince her the stuff on TV telling her that her car would run "better" on it was just marketing hooha.
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Friday, March 16, 2012 - 03:37 am, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Dan McColl wrote on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 01:10 am:

Petrol is so damned cheap it's ridiculous. People pay $3 for a litre bottle of water yet complain about half that price for a litre of petrol.


Some people buy a bottle for $3 which coincidently holds water, but that bottle can be refilled for free around the city, at friends, or even at home (although that's not exactly free, but with or without using the water you've already paid a minimum for connection anyway).

However much i drink, even if it's 3L a day (well more than the 10 glasses) the cost of fuel to me is about 130-140 a week, whereas even at 3L a day, @ $3 a bottle, it's only $105 a week. So even using your theory, water is still cheaper than petrol per week, per month, per year.

And the amount I pay for water is actually whatever my rates bill is. I've bought about 6 bottles of water in that many years, and they're all still in my cupboard.
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Friday, March 16, 2012 - 06:04 am, by:  Daniel Clarke (Dieseltrain) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I bet that you can't do 600 kms on $105 of water though ? Or make 400+ hp , or run 11 s for 400 metres ???

Only thing in common with your car is doing skids , except you wash yours out of course ;) lol
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Sunday, March 18, 2012 - 09:56 pm, by:  Aiden Cheese (Chillpen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok..?
Michael Fuhrmann
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Sunday, March 18, 2012 - 10:57 pm, by:  Michael Fuhrmann (Tha_new_dude) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You have a 6 year old bottle of water in your cupboard?

Dude it aint wine it wont get better with age

A tank of fuel is cheap fun, people are willing to pay $1.20 a minute to drive a slow arse gokart
Sean Routledge
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Aiden Cheese wrote on Friday, March 16, 2012 - 03:37 am:

I've bought about 6 bottles of water in that many years, and they're all still in my cupboard


Lol, I would get rid of them. They're pretty cheap to replace, considering the health risks involved in re-using them over that period.
Mike Triggs
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Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - 02:36 pm, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Shane Haverkamp wrote on Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - 03:54 pm:

whats more annoying is people who pay for premium fuels when there cars dont need it. i've ran my soarer on normally unleaded for a while, you notice a bit of difference between it and 98. but people who have non performance orientated cars or drive to a 3000rpm gear change every gear but still run there cars on premium fuel (using my gf and her lancer as an example now) i keep trying to tell her, her 2011 lancer would run exactly the same on the 10c a liter cheaper 95 ron.




I'm in two minds about higher octane fuel. My Koleos is rated for 95RON (despite its stablemate the X-Trail rated at 91) and early on, I decided there was no advantage in using 95 or above. However, on a recent trip, heavily loaded with a roofbox as well, that highway economy was better on Shell 98 and United Plus (which is ethanol enhanced 95 RON) especially in 110km/hr zones where my economy goes backwards quickly on 91 RON. Is it worth the extra? Don't know!

As for increases in LPG prices, the taxes on it have risen steadily over the past few years, it was low 10 years ago to encourage use. By about 2015 it will have full excise/taxes on it, it'll still be cheaper than petrol, but given lower energy per litre, not by much.
Damian Ware
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Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - 09:13 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With my 1995 V6 camry I was travelling 2000km per week. Almost all FWY driving at 110km/hr, I plotted charts of fuel economy for months and tried them all.

I found the best $ per km in that car was BP premium which is 94 RON.

Whilst 98's gave a little more out of the tank the extra price wasn't worth it.

With a higher comp later model motor though 98 would most likely be better than 94.
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Friday, March 30, 2012 - 05:16 pm, by:  Ian Rigby (Hiro) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone who reckons petrol is expensive now clearly hasn't been driving for that long - at least in NSW regular 91 got over $1.70/L back in 2008 or so, and 98/Ultimate was dangerously close to $2/L. $1.50 is a bargain in comparison, and people should stop complaining about it.
Mike Triggs
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Friday, March 30, 2012 - 06:30 pm, by:  Mike Triggs (Mikeandimah) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Ian Rigby wrote on Friday, March 30, 2012 - 05:16 pm:

Anyone who reckons petrol is expensive now clearly hasn't been driving for that long - at least in NSW regular 91 got over $1.70/L back in 2008 or so, and 98/Ultimate was dangerously close to $2/L. $1.50 is a bargain in comparison, and people should stop complaining about it.




True- I was in outback WA at the time, and ULP hit $2.00/l and diesel $2.10/l.

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