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Soarer Central Off-Topic Subject: Where is the plane?????? Archive through May 19, 2006

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Sam Schreck
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:38 pm, by: Sam Schreck (Schreck300)

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

If you have the opportunity check this out straight away before the FBI close the web site...

Food for thought!!!

Nick Petkovic
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:59 pm, by: Nick Petkovic (Naissus96)

David Vaughan
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 01:06 pm, by: David Vaughan (Davidv)

Yes, with the nutritional value of lollipops and fairy floss.

We have done this one, Sam. If it is not on this archive try the old ALSC.

Matthew Sharpe
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 01:29 pm, by: Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt)

I dont get what they are trying to say - do they think it was a small plane, or a ballistic missile? A small plane wouldnt have penetrated that far into the building, and a ballistic missile leaves an explosive radius, which doesnt seem to be evident here. Certainly neither is more likely to be the cause of the damage than the 767.

Nick Petkovic
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 01:37 pm, by: Nick Petkovic (Naissus96)

It was a missile for sure. There would have to be some parts of the plane there no matter how big or how small it was.
Did they find any plane parts in New York?

Sam Schreck
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 01:43 pm, by: Sam Schreck (Schreck300)

Can't find anything in the achives under 'lolipops' OR 'fairy floss.'

Katrina Bruns
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 01:55 pm, by: Katrina Bruns (Katrina)

OK.. never seen that one. The only thing that popped in to my head during the thing was "oh... my... god...."

One thing that stuck out to me... a Boeing going 530 mph 2 ft above the ground... scientifically speaking.. there's no way...........

Luke Nieuwhof
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 02:18 pm, by: Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof)

Nothing like a conspiracy theory to make some people feel like their lives have significance.

Nick Petkovic
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 02:27 pm, by: Nick Petkovic (Naissus96)

It doesn't really matter if it was a plane or a bomb or whatever. A lot of people died for nothing. Whoever did this did not achieve anything.

Adam Peterson
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 04:52 pm, by: Adam Peterson (President)

I wish idiots would stop trying to make their own synopsis of factual events by creating these rediculous inuendo scenarios. Same goes for man on the moon. Theres always that moron minority to try to dispell the fact.

Perry Morgan
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 05:26 pm, by: Perry Morgan (Uzz32)

Adam Peterson wrote on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 04:52 pm:
I wish idiots would stop trying to make their own synopsis of factual events by creating these rediculous inuendo scenarios. Same goes for man on the moon. Theres always that moron minority to try to dispell the fact.

Have not looked into this one way or the other Adam, but questioning what the govt tells us to be fact is not always stupid. The only thing I think about this is that it is the cleanest plane crash site I have ever seen. Usually there are seats and wings and crap everywhere. Whatever happened to them here is unusual anyway.

Nick Petkovic
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 05:31 pm, by: Nick Petkovic (Naissus96)

Don't believe everything you see on TV

Shane McInnes
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 05:31 pm, by: Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt)

There is a Documentary called Loose Change...I found it on the net.

Its goes more in depth about this subject and about the Pentagon, and World Trade Centre and weeks leading up to 911.

If your interested in this subject, Id recommend for you guys to watch it. It changed my mind after watching it.

Miles Baker
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 06:15 pm, by: Miles Baker (Milesb)

You know when planes crash into fields, there is often just a burn mark and almost the entire plane is underground.

Planes can travel just above the ground stablely, no problem. Check them out when they land. Noone said it was doing full speed. Look up "Ground Effect" or "Wing In Ground Effect".

David Vaughan
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 06:22 pm, by: David Vaughan (Davidv)

Here is another person who was persuaded by it:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4692467109707634632&q=loose+change

Ben Socratous
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 06:23 pm, by: Ben Socratous (Socrates)

Always wondered about that...

Wings and tail would've been fcuked up after the explosion, but not vapourised! And there is absolutely no was at all, under any circumstances, EVER that a 757 fuselage could've punched that neat a hole through that many layers of reo'd concrete. That's not just imho, but in the opinion of friends of mine, one being a flight instructor for the boeing 737 and 747, the other an engineer AT boeing!!!

Tell you what, try and watch a movie that involves any cockpit seens with either of those two, jeez they can't stop pointin out what's wrong with it! At least they come in handy when it comes to designing radio controlled planes

Ben Daniel
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 07:12 pm, by: Ben Daniel (Lexustt)

Hey Adam, in a way I agree with you but in this day in age and with everything thats going on in the world can you really blame people for being erratically skeptical ??? Its human nature.

David Vaughan
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 07:28 pm, by: David Vaughan (Davidv)

There are photographs of aircraft parts on the lawn.

The aircraft penetrated three rings into the Pentagon, not just into the outside. Did you expect to see an aircraft stuck to the outside wall, or neat fuselage, wing and tail cuts in the building as if in a Looney Tunes cartoon?

Were you expecting aluminium wings and fuselage visible and semi-intact after it penetrated at around 500km/h? Aluminium melts at only 600C and burns at extreme temperatures. Vapourisation in an explosion is unnecessary to the result.

You might also wish to look up "Pentagon" at www.snopes.com. They pose some questions, too.

Shane McInnes
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 07:38 pm, by: Shane McInnes (Soarin_tt)

The aircrafts parts found on the lawn are not from a 747.

They found a engine Turbine which by experts said was not from a 747. But from a old Miltary aircraft.

It was talked about on Loose Change, Quiet a interesting documentary (could be all lies, could be real facts. I really dunno, but worth watching anyway)

Nephtali Nani
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 08:22 pm, by: Nephtali Nani (Nassy)

Orange Flames with soot will NOT! melt Aluminium nor Vaporizer Aluminium with in seconds.
You would need a perfect mixture of fuel and air to melt Aluminium, Something like a blue flame. not an orange & sooty flame.
Ever with a blue flame, it would take quite abit of time to melt

Perry Morgan
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 09:37 pm, by: Perry Morgan (Uzz32)

And to burn all the wings up right to the tips?

Nephtali Nani
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 09:52 pm, by: Nephtali Nani (Nassy)

Perry Morgan wrote on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 09:37 pm:
And to burn all the wings up right to the tips?

correct!

David Vaughan wrote on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 06:22 pm:
Here is another person who was persuaded by it:

Here's the real Link

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7772696530684663669&q=loose+change+edit+2
1hr & 20 mins

Khalid Sarwari
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 10:31 pm, by: Khalid Sarwari (1jzspeed)

hmm my uncle osama told me shaggy style "It wasn't me" but with a arrabic accent so believed him......

Dan McColl
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 10:48 pm, by: Dan McColl (Hoon)

Nephtali Nani wrote on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 08:22 pm:
Orange Flames with soot will NOT! melt Aluminium nor Vaporizer Aluminium with in seconds.
You would need a perfect mixture of fuel and air to melt Aluminium, Something like a blue flame. not an orange & sooty flame.
Ever with a blue flame, it would take quite abit of time to melt

That's in correct. As david said, aluminium alloy (normally 2024T3 in aircraft) melts around 660 deg C. The chart below shows the temp of different colored flames. As you can see a dull red flame is 580 deg and a bright red/orange flame is 720, well above the melting point of most aluminium alloys. A blue flame comes in around 12-1300 deg C, more than enough to vaporise aluminium.

Temperature (0C) Subjective Colour
480 Faint red glow
580 Dark red
730 Bright red/orange
930 Bright orange
1100 Pale orange/yellow
1300 Yellow/white
>1400 White

I'm staying out of the whole conspiracy thing, but if you want to state facts, make sure they're right.

IMHO.

Dan McColl
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Friday, May 19, 2006 - 10:50 pm, by: Dan McColl (Hoon)

Perry Morgan wrote on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 09:37 pm:
And to burn all the wings up right to the tips?

The wings being full of fuel out to nearly the tips, this is quite conceivable. Also the wings being mainly a sealed hollow chamber provides a good spot for a big bang, tearing them to pieces.

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