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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:22 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Chelsie Keating wrote on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:08 pm:

although i am only 22 and will probably think differently when i am 32.




I think too many people have watched Sex and the City here. Honestly, I feel sorry for those loser characters because at the age of 35 or 40 they are still single and lonely. Why? Because if I'm a guy I'd rather get married to someone younger than older. And no offence to anyone, but a chick being single past the age of 30, well, she's way past her use by date. (I know I'm not being politically correct here but hey, I'm a direct kind of a guy :-) ) So while a chick is 'living her life to the fullest' time will catch up and it won't be as easy to just get married past that age. Got a few chicks at work that are nearing 30 and single, and want someone, but unfortunately guys their age, like Chelsie has just confirmed here, go for someone around the 22 yr old mark.

Besides, I wouldn't want to set up a family at the age of 35, WTF, I'm gonna be 65 by the time my kids leave home? No way! I wanna be free and live my life in luxurious retirement for a little while without kids staying at home, and the usual teenage problems, think about it!

I'm sorry, but you may realise it a little bit too late though...

P.S. I don't mean to sound offensive or anything. And by no means am I old fashioned neither, I just thought I'll give you a different point of view. Do what you like :-)
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:25 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Chelsie Keating wrote on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:08 pm:

So What!! Women these days want to live a little before they settle down and get married and by houses and all that.. Big deal..

In the past women were expected to be married and have kids by their early 20s, they depended on their husbands going off to work every day, bringin home the bacon, while they had to stay at home and look after the house, kids, dinner etc.. have everything perfect by the time hubby gets home... and unfortunately for you Miles, times have changed, we have more options these days, we can pretty much do what we want and not have to conform to all that crap like our grandmothers, and their mothers did...

At the moment I don't think i ever want to get married and have kids (much to my 28yold boyfriends disgust), although i am only 22 and will probably think differently when i am 32. I want to do so much before i settle down, Travel, Study, spend money on silly things while i have no major debt, basically live my life to the fullest.

Young women these days have soooo much opportunity, and its good to see they are not wasting it!




Haha - Chelsie, I totally agree with almost everything you say, simply because I think the same also applies to us guys who are aged 18-30 - no longer are we expected to be married, with a job to support both a wife and a mortgage, by 25, (and you have no idea how much pressure there can actually be on guys to do that, even in todays society)...EXCEPT I'm gonna have to take issue with your second paragraph.

And its not so much that I dont agree with it, its more that its not really what I interpreted what Miles was really saying. I took it that his point was more along the lines of being "the girls I have come across aren't interested in contributing equally to relationships, they expect all the work to be done for them".

Its not so much about being tied down and locked into a marriage, or a mortgage, or anything like that...its just about either saying "I'm not interested/ready to be in a serious relationship at the moment, I'm sorry" which is what plenty of girls I know are doing, and good on them; OR if you are going to enter into a serious relationship, then contribute fully to it and take it seriously...dont just expect the guy to be a meal ticket while you continue to live as selfishly as you want.

And I'm not saying you're like that, by the way - having met you, even if only briefly, a couple of times, I dont think you are at all - but I certainly do consider there are a number of girls out there who are...and it appears that Miles has managed to come across one or two as well.
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:29 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Adam Barry wrote on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:21 pm:

Ok, am I the only one here who finds some of Khalid's posts incredibly difficult to comprehend?
Where's the grammar nazi when you need him???




Ooooh....Adam...considering I got suspended for not using capitals and punctuation correctly not too long ago...






I'm not going to say a word....
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:33 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He must be off somewhere... I reckon when he gets back and deletes most of Khalid's posts, this thread is gonna look stupid (like if it's not already) hahaha
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:37 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bloody hell listen to this dribble. You can fill a bucket with it.

Back to people pics for god sake
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:42 pm, by:  Perry Morgan (Uzz32) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Shane Ilich wrote on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:29 pm:

Ok, am I the only one here who finds some of Khalid's posts incredibly difficult to comprehend?



Not only that. The logic too.

Adam Peterson wrote on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:37 pm:

Back to people pics for god sake


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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:44 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Chelsie, that is close to the outlook that I was referring to. The bad thing is, when you do that stuff, you find it is not actually as fulfilling as you had imagined.

Now don't get me wrong, I had exactly the same ideas when I was 18, 19, 20. And I went out and did it. And I saw that it wasn't that exciting. Then I hit about 23 and realised that continuing on that path until I was 30 was just going to get me to 30 and alone. And you know what? I worked overseas for a couple of years. I travelled the world. It wasn't any more interesting than being in Melbourne. Perhaps less. It wasn't the glamourous life that it seemed like it was going to be. And I realised that while it might get me up to 30, there are 45 years after that that I am going to want to fill with something else.

Maybe the difference for guys is that we KNOW we are going to be working all our lives, so there isn't that much else to choose from: am I going to be married/single while I work for the next 40 years? And that choice is very easy after a couple of years. Women have so many choices. Married/single. Career/kids.

What sucks is when you get together with someone and they don't actually know what they want, because they haven't had to put in the thought yet. They sort of want to get married. They sort of want a career. They sort of want kids. They sort of want to be independent and travel. But you try to have a relationship with them, and when it requires some hard work, suddenly they think they have made the wrong choice. The grass is greener over by the "travel and be 18 again" tree.

What I'm getting at is for most people, your priorities change in your early 20s. But it is a confirmed social phenomenon that Australian women are not reaching that change until 30 now. What I am complaining about is that it is a real f*ckin prick to try to form a partnership with someone who just hasn't matured enough to want to put in the work. And it's an even bigger prick to realise that most women your age have the same attitude.

I don't expect people in their early 20s to get it. You don't want to settle down yet, and that's fine. What I'm saying is I am in an age group where people traditionally do want to settle down, and all my male friends do. Yet many women in our age group have not reached that point. It sucks.

Khalid, you're 23, and you're showing it.

Samantha, you're 24, no way in hell I would date anyone that young anyway. For all of the reasons I have listed above.
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:45 pm, by:  Chelsie Keating (Chelsie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well perhaps Miles should think about moving to America, if american women are so perfect... but as daniel pointed out, if they are all like the women of sex in the city (AMERICAN women), then hes going to have problems finding a girl in the US aswell, they seem to be all past their use by dates...
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:54 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am half American, half Australian. I was back over there recently, and all the people I know there were shocked to hear what it's like here. Break up after break up, divorces, noone has kids.

I hear all this whining that I'm such a dick, but then all you hear out of women when they're single is "I just want a decent guy who isn't afraid of commitment, won't cheat on me, and will be a good partner". Yeah, I'm a nightmare.
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:54 pm, by:  Nichola Castagna (Nawtee) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think all this debate, if thats what it is, comes down to everyone looks for different things in life. Different cars, different careers, different taste in girls/guys, different objectives all together in EVERY area. It is a matter of getting out there and enjoying what you have while you have it. Sure its great to be enjoying that with a loved one, but if not, enjoy it with your mates. Appreciate what you have while you have it and ENJOY LIFE. That is way more appealing than hearing some of the sh!t that has come out of some peoples mouths on this topic. Another 2c worth. And I'm guessing Khalid hasn't got anything worthwhile to say to me?!?!
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:56 pm, by:  Chelsie Keating (Chelsie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Miles, you've had a few bad experiences... don't let it tarnish your view on women in general... Ive been with my boyfriend since i was 18.. He lets me do my own thing, i let him do his, through give and take we have lasted almost 4 years. Compromise and communication are the keys. There probably arent too many girls around 'with their heads screwed on' but they do exist. Dont dwell on past experiences, that time would be better spent doing more positive things..
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:58 pm, by:  Chelsie Keating (Chelsie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nichola - Spot on!! Well said indeed!
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:59 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Adam Peterson wrote on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:37 pm:

bloody hell listen to this dribble. You can fill a bucket with it.

Back to people pics for god sake




ok, seeing as I'm partly to blame for this, I'll shoulder some responsiblity...

posted already, but its been buried under everything else thats going on in this thread..and hey, I think its a funny pic - Phil (white polo on the left) pulling his "World Aid" sad face just cracks me up!!

I'm in the blue polo.


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Adam, surely you've got some more entertaining shots - you seem like the kind of guy who enjoys getting up to shenanigans

lets start to get this thread back on track...maybe Khalid's got a pic to post??
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:00 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All I was trying to get across is that a lot of guys my age seem to be having these bad experiences, and the reason for it is the shift in women's priorities. That's it.
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:00 pm, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

But Chelsie, that's only in New York :-)

Girls past their use-by-dates = desperate. Trust me, it shows! At least what I see at work and that... very obvious.

Miles has a point, I was also like that when I was 19 and 20 etc. Didn't want anything but having fun and stuff, didn't want to get tied down with so called debt (fu(k, i've now made a lot more money off the debt than in the past 3 years of working, who's tied down and locked in with a mortgage? Sell it and still be left with few hundred $K cash, live and learn girl) But around the age of 22 I got sick of clubs and stuff, and had a look at where I would be at the age of 40 for example and thought well, better start doing something about it so I can live comfortably for the rest of my life. No point telling you that though, you'll reach that stage where you'll realise it sooner or later anyway.

P.S. Miles, there are 24 yr old girls that are mature, I know of at least 5, two are already married, financially secure, have their own house and lead a happy life. You just gotta look in different places I guess.
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:05 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Could be...
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:09 pm, by:  Nichola Castagna (Nawtee) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Miles Baker wrote on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 06:44 pm:

Maybe the difference for guys is that we KNOW we are going to be working all our lives, so there isn't that much else to choose from: am I going to be married/single while I work for the next 40 years? And that choice is very easy after a couple of years. Women have so many choices. Married/single. Career/kids.



2 points here for you.
Point 1.Are you saying that raising children is all fun and games?? And not a full time job?? Point 2. Not every couple is lucky enough to bear children, so they both work fulltime jobs and concentrate on their careers....did you every think of that??
It sh!ts me that you think women have soo many choices in life, and whose to say that men don't either. We live in a modern world now. Whose to say that the guy can't stay home and look after the kids, I for one am all for that idea, IF I am fortunate enough to bear children.
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:13 pm, by:  Khalid Sarwari (1jzspeed) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok i rest my case now..good point nichola
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:14 pm, by:  Perry Morgan (Uzz32) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And if you are lucky like me you will meet someone that does not even require the "give and take" deal. We just seem to cruise along perfectly. Never had a yelling arguement, have barely ever disagreed and don't seem to have the need to do the compromise thing. We always seem to enjoy and want the same things which leaves no issues to work out. Also I met Mel when she was 21 and I at 26 already had a mortgage and all the boring stuff. That's over 7 years ago and things are PERFECT with us. I guess mature younger ones are out there too but as I said earlier, it could be in the circles of people in which you move that finds you meeting up with these similar girls which you are not interested in.
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:15 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No I think you've misunderstood what I was saying.

What I am saying is for guys, you get to your 20s and you 99% know you are going to have a career - whether you are married or not. The choice is kind of made for you. Women get hit with this choice now. Do I want a career? Do I want kids? If I get married, will that preclude me having a career? Hard choices. It just seems that most I know don't really make a choice. They sort of drift into a relationship, then when they get to the "where is my life going?" at 25, they seem to panic, think they made the wrong choice, and go the other way. Guys get to 25 and go "yeah well I'm frustrated too but what am I gonna do? I have to go to work.."

And one thing I have learned is I would like to have a wife who wants the career thing. Yes, I would stay home and look after kids. I've travelled a lot for work, worked on 3 continents, risen to positions of high responsibility. Been paid a shedload and have carried the stress that goes with it. Now I just don't have much challenge left in that area. I know I can do it all. I'd rather let a wife pursue that for herself (because it is a rewarding thing to achieve), and I'd stay home.
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:16 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Perry,

you're a bastard.
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:17 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:28 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haha - Adam, I said "shenanigans", not "22-inch chrome mags"!!!

A lot earlier in this thread, you posted

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Found this one on my phone - bit small, but the theme is very similar

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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:33 pm, by:  Nichola Castagna (Nawtee) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Then Miles, you need to change the surroundings in which you meet females, or change states?? I for one have only just realised what I want out of life, and even now that keeps changing. I was married at 25, and thought kids were a natural procession after that. Due to medical problems it hasn't happened, and I have had to rethink what I want to do in life. So new career plan, I quit my job and am back at TAFE studying to become an Event Manager, and trust me when I say this, its an eye opener. I am with those girls you referred to, spend every cent they have on shoes, clothes, going out, and it does shock me. Sure every now and then I want to do that, but not every week with every pay packet. Sh!t I have had to relearn alot about money, going from fulltime employment, to very casual employment!!I am relearning about myself, and what I want, and I have the full support of my husband, which helps. I do agree with you Miles that there are girls out there who do that, and I do feel for you, cause I have mainly male single friends, and if only I knew enough single appropriate girls to introduce to them, cause it hurts me that I am in a relationship and they aren't. That's enough thinking for me!!!
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Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 07:33 pm, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

2 pictures of me in a row. I think i'll go touch myself

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