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Miles Baker
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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 07:00 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The whole conversation is specifically about people my age. Your statistics are not.

Your divorce rate "statistic" is stupid anyway. What the hell is that supposed to mean to anyone? What is of interest is % of marriages ending in divorce. In Australia in 1999 that was 46%. The US was about 48.
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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 07:03 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is our infant mortality rate really almost 5%??? That high??

So you've got nearly twice as great a chance of dying as an infant as getting divorced in Australia??? How's that for perspective...

Haha - actually, hows that for twisting stats.
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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 07:04 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, he is senile. You can't expect him to actually think about what he is typing.
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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 07:10 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's probably just me, but if I was a female, I doubt I could deal with that in-your-face confrontational attitude for more than about 30 seconds. Heck, I don't deal with it well as a guy! Glad I am not in the dating market :-)
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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 07:54 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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What is of interest is % of marriages ending in divorce. In Australia in 1999 that was 46%. The US was about 48


Statistical noise. The nett divorce rates in Australia and America are much the same (despite first appearances) because Americans both marry and divorce more readily, especially the more religious ones.

In all populations, divorce rate is highest where marriage occurred below 25 years old, so perhaps Miles is being a bit anxious. One might also wonder why women are being singled out for their lack of commitment, given the following:

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Shane, all the above figures are per 1000 population. You have indeed twisted the stats but not quite as much as you might think.


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Well, he is senile. You can't expect him to actually think about what he is typing


Well Miles, at 25 or so, you have quite a bit to worry about
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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 08:06 pm, by:  Callum Finch (Sigeneat) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Heeeyyyyyyyy, Mr S!
Shane Ilich
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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 08:12 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haha - that graph is interesting, for a number of reasons, but mostly to me because of the consistent 2-year age difference between the sexes in the median age at marriage across almost 3 decades.

So even though we're tending to get married later, guys are still marrying girls 2 years younger than themselves. Interesting little social phenomena...

Dont know that it necessarily supports a "lack of commitment" by males - perhaps it just takes them longer to trawl through the girls their own age, then a year younger, then finally 2 years younger before they finally find a female worth marrying?? hehehehe....
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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 09:02 pm, by:  Katrina Bruns (Katrina) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amazing what this thread esculated to... all I really wanted was pics .. I swear it was!!
David Vaughan
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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 09:08 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shane, I merely meant that, in trend and comparative terms, males and females were behaving similarly. I am far from singling out either.
Shane Ilich
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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 09:21 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bah, David, you're no fun - stirring can be so much fun when there's "official" statistics to "support" your argument

On a serious note, one thing I would be interested in finding out, seeing as you're clearly familiar with these databses, is how the median age of motherhood (ie birth of first child) has changed over time. Clearly, females are marrying later in life - that graph displays a trend that the median age of females getting married has shifted from 21 to 27....it would be interesting if the median age at which women have their first child has also shifted?

Make for a nice "nature v. nurture" argument if a shift is evident...
Miles Baker
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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 10:12 pm, by:  Miles Baker (Milesb) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Peter Nitschke wrote on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 07:10 pm:

in-your-face confrontational attitude


That side is known as "alpha male".. not sure if that's supposed to be attractive to women or..?

I just don't tolerate fools. Many people actually appreciate that about me. You know where you stand. I'm honest. If I don't like you, I'm likely to say "I don't like you". Otherwise, I'm a good loyal friend. I guess you could say I'm pragmatic. Or rude to people I don't like, I dunno.
Adam Peterson
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 01:05 am, by:  Adam Peterson (President) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

who cares .... heres another pic of me :-)
Yamanote train line ~ Tokyo


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Chelsie Keating
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 01:58 am, by:  Chelsie Keating (Chelsie) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haha love your work Adam!!!
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 07:22 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 07:54 pm:

In all populations, divorce rate is highest where marriage occurred below 25 years old, so perhaps Miles is being a bit anxious. One might also wonder why women are being singled out for their lack of commitment, given the following:




Oh god, at 31 I'm off the chart!
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 07:45 am, by:  Katrina Bruns (Katrina) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This pic should make everyone laugh...

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I'm on the end tail of the heard of kids.. literally
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 08:50 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here you go, Shane, Medical Journal of Australia Volume 184 No 7 3 April 2006.

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The average age of women bearing their first child in Australia has risen from less than 26 years in 1991 to nearly 30 years in 2003. First births in women over 35 years now account for 12% of all births, compared with 6% a decade ago ... Bachrach ... raises the critical issues that lead to delayed childbearing — career goals, the perceived need for financial security, and/or delay in finding a long-term partner (either through distraction by the pursuit of personal development, or because of lack of interest from a man in forming such a relationship).




Sorry for being so terribly serious this time but given the reactions I get from that, god knows what would happen if I stirred. Besides, I like the pics and am trying not to get too much in the way of them. I made my contribution to that ages ago and, unlike a certain famous elephant-rider, am neither commonly photographed nor pretty. Hmm, I wonder if there is a causal relationship there?
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:28 am, by:  Luke Nieuwhof (Luke_nieuwhof) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And then we can go into all the health and possible social problems that result from people having kids later in life.

I'd like to have kids by my late 20s with a girl about the same age...hmmm see how my goals go!
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:29 am, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 08:50 am:

Bachrach ...



How is old Burt these days?
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 10:31 am, by:  Daniel Czechowski (Dan) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Shane Ilich wrote on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 08:12 pm:

Haha - that graph is interesting, for a number of reasons, but mostly to me because of the consistent 2-year age difference between the sexes in the median age at marriage across almost 3 decades.

So even though we're tending to get married later, guys are still marrying girls 2 years younger than themselves. Interesting little social phenomena...

Dont know that it necessarily supports a "lack of commitment" by males - perhaps it just takes them longer to trawl through the girls their own age, then a year younger, then finally 2 years younger before they finally find a female worth marrying?? hehehehe....




Exactly what I said many posts ago... guys tend to go and marry a lot younger girls. So if a chick waits till she's 32, then (according to statistics and common sense) they'll marry a 36 year old, or a 60 year old if he's loaded ...and never the other way around (unless she is 60 and loaded, hmmm I might even consider that haha)
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 10:32 am, by:  Katrina Bruns (Katrina) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey.. there are a few mates on here who have posted quite a few more pics than me. So stop giving me crao everytime one is posted. The elephant one was to make ppl laugh.

As for having kids while your young.. you could look at it this way. You will still be young enough to keep up with them. And if you have them young, you will still be young enough to have fun when you kick them out :-)
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 11:57 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know, Katrina. It was humour on my part, too
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 01:57 pm, by:  Tim Eacott (Timme) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greg and i hard at work!


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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 06:44 pm, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Terrible IT twins (TiTTs) at play.........
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 07:08 pm, by:  Shane Ilich (Ferret) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 08:50 am:

Here you go, Shane, Medical Journal of Australia Volume 184 No 7 3 April 2006.

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The average age of women bearing their first child in Australia has risen from less than 26 years in 1991 to nearly 30 years in 2003. First births in women over 35 years now account for 12% of all births, compared with 6% a decade ago ... Bachrach ... raises the critical issues that lead to delayed childbearing — career goals, the perceived need for financial security, and/or delay in finding a long-term partner (either through distraction by the pursuit of personal development, or because of lack of interest from a man in forming such a relationship).




Hmm...so it would appear, despite the supposed "nature" argument that women are biologically programmed to have the urge to start breeding by the mid-late teens, that societal pressures are able to overrun this urge (the "nurture" argument). Interesting.
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Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:05 pm, by:  Katrina Bruns (Katrina) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I dont think my kids were an urge to breed.. they were pleasant suprises to me. I had always made a promise to myself.. wait till I'm 25 yrs old to have kids.. well I"m 25 now and I think I'm about done. I have the urge to have one more.. but if I dont have it by the time I'm 30.. I'm now optioning it anymore.

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