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Tom Stenhouse
Tinkerer
Queensland
Uzz31

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Friday, September 09, 2005 - 07:20 pm, by:  Tom Stenhouse (Tom) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What does a decent set of coil overs cost?? I'm in the same boat I hate airbags with passion
Roger Costello
TryHard
WA
UZZ31 V8 Limited

Posts: 131
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Friday, September 09, 2005 - 07:53 pm, by:  Roger Costello (Roger) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom

Why do you hate the airbags? The new ones which have 1999-2000 valving use very high quality variable dampers and rising rate air springs. Old tired ones on stuffed suspension rubber can be dreadful but try and have a drive of a 31 with new struts and new suspension rubber before you condemn air suspension completely. They came a long way in 8 years with the valving on the Air Struts and VFT rubber will fix the wibbles. The ability to adjust both height and damping while driving is also a plus.

Roger
James Jones
Newbie
QLD
V8 Soarer

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Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 02:59 pm, by:  James Jones (Jones) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How much would a a new set of four airbag struts set me back fully installed?

What about a switch to coilovers installed?
Jason Kingsmill
TryHard
NSW
UZZ31 Soarer V8

Posts: 144
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Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 03:04 pm, by:  Jason Kingsmill (Jason_k) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Your new born child, left leg, right arm, and your childrens children for 6 generations.

Seriously...I think Neil sells the air struts for $880 each, and I would say maybe 2 hours labour to do them all? $70-80 per hour....~$3680

Not sure about coilovers..
Damien Smith
TryHard
NSW
Manual UZZ31

Posts: 119
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Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 06:23 pm, by:  Damien Smith (Damien) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You could probably find some 2nd hand coilovers for around $1400+ and new ones for $2000-$2500. I changed mine from airbags to coilovers in about 3 hours plus another hour later to remove the air pump and most of the lines.
David Vaughan
TryHard
ACT
Soarer GT-L (4.0 V8) Lexus is300 (3.0 VVT-i 6)

Posts: 424
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Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 06:35 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Second hand brings all sorts of prices and conditions in either so compare the new and then work out the best price/value in the one you chose on new costs. Looks like you can go wire strings for about 2800 or float on air for 3700.

Having new air struts all round on my car, my view is with Roger's. The Soarer is a very fast tourer. It is not a sports car despite the extent to which some people hot them.
Don Bagnall
Moderator
Taranaki
GT4.0 V8

Posts: 650
Reg: 05-2005

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Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 08:49 am, by:  Don Bagnall (Baggs) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Another small, but significant point is, RESALE VALUE.
Speaking for ME, I would keep it original with air suspension, as this is how the car was manufactured.
If I was looking at buying a 31, and I found it had been converted to coils, I would walk away.

Having said that, it's YOUR car, and if you intend keeping it "Forever", then by all means convert it, but be aware that you may be cutting yourself off from potential future purchasers who have the goal of a 31 with "Float on a Cloud" air suspension.
And lets face it, MOST air-struts have lasted for 14 plus years, with possibly indifferent owners, so the potential is for replacement air-struts to last AT LEAST as long with a caring owner such as yourself.

BUT, as I said it's YOUR pride & joy, and YOU must be happy with it.

Good luck with your decision

Damien Smith
TryHard
NSW
Manual UZZ31

Posts: 120
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Monday, September 12, 2005 - 09:19 am, by:  Damien Smith (Damien) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's not just resale value for if/when you sell but it also affects market value for insurance. As I recently found out after getting hit from behind, all the little changes you make taking it further away from stock make it more likely for your car to be written off if the numbers don't add up for the insurer. What seemed like an obvious fix to me was a line-ball write off for my insurer. Luckily for me they're reasonable and it's getting fixed.
Benny Gammelmark
TryHard
NSW
V8 UZZ31

Posts: 663
Reg: 07-2005

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Monday, September 12, 2005 - 11:05 am, by:  Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since this is a 1991 I would seriously think about swapping it for a well kitted out UZZ30 if you can find one.
James Jones
Newbie
QLD
V8 Soarer

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Monday, September 12, 2005 - 12:08 pm, by:  James Jones (Jones) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why is that, Benny?
Benny Gammelmark
TryHard
NSW
V8 UZZ31

Posts: 667
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Monday, September 12, 2005 - 05:41 pm, by:  Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Because there were a lot more UZZ30 made of the '91-'94 model than later so they're easier to get (also cheaper).

The other reason is that I'm stupid and forgot to read the production tables to check the model years.

On the other hand, you've got the time to find a really good one. Maybe you can find a '97 UZZ30 at a decent price.
Phil Gibson
Tinkerer
WA
'94 black/black UZZ31

Posts: 26
Reg: 07-2005

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Monday, September 12, 2005 - 11:34 pm, by:  Phil Gibson (Sciflyer) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

umm uzz30 was only '91-'93 in RHD i think

Anything after that was all LHD for US market
Benny Gammelmark
TryHard
NSW
V8 UZZ31

Posts: 680
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Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 10:10 am, by:  Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for that Phil. That was my original reason for asking what year.

From seeing the production tables I assumed that you could get UZZ30's here that were build later.

Obviously not.
Michael Sinay
Tinkerer
NSW
TT

Posts: 21
Reg: 07-2005

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Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 12:35 pm, by:  Michael Sinay (Mikey) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So what are the major problems/hassles with fitting the airbigs to a non-airbag soarer?
Damien Smith
TryHard
NSW
Manual UZZ31

Posts: 121
Reg: 07-2005

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Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 12:47 pm, by:  Damien Smith (Damien) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fitting air lines and wiring. The wiring loom going to the suspension ECU has over 50 wires going to it which you'd have to make and install from scratch.

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