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Rashmin Peiris
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Monday, February 04, 2008 - 11:29 am, by:  Rashmin Peiris (Ripthecannon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi, just looking for a little advice here-
the crappy tyres that I have now often lose traction regardless of weather conditions or speed and I must say its quite scary, especially because this is how they're performing with around 85% tread. So seeing as I'm planning to get a set of bigger wheels soon anyway, I was hoping you guys in the club could give me some advice on a good set of tyres (which are also affordable- probably up to around $800 for the set) to get with the wheels.
thanks !
Rashmin
Peter Nitschke
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Monday, February 04, 2008 - 02:44 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$200/trye for big rubber? That's your problem - too cheap.
Vinh Bui
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Monday, February 04, 2008 - 03:03 pm, by:  Vinh Bui (Hyudsjk) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When you go and purchase your new wheels, the cost usually involves tyres. E.g. set of 18's will cost you about $1500-$2000 including tyres. You can always pay a little bit extra for some better or thicker tyres.

Will need sizes also in regards to tyre cost. The bigger the more expensive obviously.
Brian Timms
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Monday, February 04, 2008 - 03:10 pm, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I run 17" wheels, and Pirelli Tires, they cost me $480/corner, and they certainly perform hard enough for me to buy the same tires again and again.

Cornering is awesome, handling in untouchable, and braking is 2nd to none....

B.
Jose-Antonio Castillo
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Monday, February 04, 2008 - 10:48 pm, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love my Yokohamas
Rashmin Peiris
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 09:10 am, by:  Rashmin Peiris (Ripthecannon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok I'm planning to get 18's, so I was wondering, say they have an offer for a wheel and tyre package- then if I buy the wheels without the tyres, then how much would I get off the price?

Also, if $200 is too cheap per tyre, then how much am I looking at for a decent set?
Lawrence Ostle
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 11:05 am, by:  Lawrence Ostle (Lawrence) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Rashmin Peiris wrote on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 09:10 am:

if I buy the wheels without the tyres, then how much would I get off the price?


You'll have to ask the tyre shop that question surely, it would depend on their markup on each individual item.

Depending on width you're probably looking at about $300-$350 per tyre for a reasonable brand. 18's are common on Falcadores nowadays.....

However, the higher price will be forgotten long before the first white-knuckle near-miss!!!

You may want to try second hand, perhaps E-Bay. I bought a set of 18" AMG alloys with new Pirelli p-Zero Rosso for $1000
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Lawrence Ostle
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tt

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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 11:17 am, by:  Lawrence Ostle (Lawrence) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Buy these, change the cap and bob's your uncle !

A set of used 350Z 18 inch wheels with MICHELIN tyres
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/A-set-of-used-350Z-18-inch-wheels-with-Michelin-tyres_W0QQitemZ250211563068QQ ihZ015QQcategoryZ6782QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem For sale is a set of used Nissan 350Z 18 inch wheels, 18x8 inch with 5 x 114.3 stud pattern. 4 wheels in a set with Michelin tyres.

'These wheels are in good condition as can be seen in the pictures, and will look good on Skylines!!! Also suitable for Supra, Falcon, Magna, Soarer etc.'
Alen Sadikovic
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 11:34 am, by:  Alen Sadikovic (Alen87) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i have recently purchased new tyres for my soarer and i have found that you cant exactly judge a tyre by its price. i have been to every tyre shop in my area and i have found same/similar tyres and their prices varied between $200-$350, it all depeneds on the shop.

i have found k-mart tyre centre to be the most expensive and tyre power pro to be the cheapest (my area that is).

i think paying anything above $300per tyre for 18inch is crazy
Brian Timms
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 02:26 pm, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Alen Sadikovic wrote on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 11:34 am:

i have recently purchased new tyres for my soarer and i have found that you cant exactly judge a tyre by its price.




This statement is 100% true.

I purchased a set of Firestone Wideoval tires for my previous car some time ago at $225/tire for 2 215/40 17". The tires where

Had to get them replaced after a skidpan day, and needed tires for rego real quick, so I got a set of $88 Maxxis tires from Bobbies, and they where grippy, sticky, quiet, and stuck to the road like sh1t to a blanket, loved them. I thought they would wear quickly though being as grippy and soft as they where, but they lasted a good while as well.

B.
Lawrence Ostle
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 04:22 pm, by:  Lawrence Ostle (Lawrence) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Brian Timms wrote on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 02:26 pm:

This statement is 100% true.




...and THAT statement is by definition 100% subjective.

Have a look at the Wheels tyre tests last year and compare the brand names versus the chinese take aways. The difference in performance across the various categories is quite broad.

These are objective 'blind' tests, and the only opinions really worth taking seriously.

The difference between cheap and expensive rubber is say what - $800 per set? Over the life of the tyre - say 30000k's - it's under 3c per kilometer.
David Vaughan
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 05:02 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

i think paying anything above $300per tyre for 18inch is crazy


Yoo Hoo!


Brian Timms
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 05:59 pm, by:  Brian Timms (Turbo_brian) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Lawrence Ostle wrote on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 04:22 pm:

Over the life of the tyre - say 30000k's - it's under 3c per kilometer.




And if it falls right on rego time, it's that 3c/km that is the difference between having a 'just a street legal car', or having a 'save stret legal car'.

Some of the tires they allow on higher performance cars such as turbo and V8 cars because they have the right treat depth, compared to tires that have the better compound, but are within maybe a mm or 2 of the depth indicator (note: I did 17,000kms on tires that where 1.5mm from the legal tread depth indicator) is crazy.

With regards to my own tires, I have Pirelli P Zero Nero on all 4 corners on the Soarer, I used to use Bridgestone Potenza on the 180sx, I have used many brands of tires and played, and done my own testing at the track, was lucky enough to get multiple sets of "rejects" from a tire shop that where rejected for reasons other than compount and tread, and got to play on a skid pan for a day with the tires, and form that, I have made my choices.

Seriously though, it comes down to a mix of driver preference, vehicle of choice, power to the wheels, driver style, wheel choice and suspention setup.

B.
David Vaughan
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 06:12 pm, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To be fair, it also comes to price one way or another. Lawrence and Brian (and I) are expressing some different priorities about where we spend our car dollars, and arguing that they are better priorities for your own safety and driving pleasure. The tyres I use are named in my profile, and it is not the ones on the Soarer which cost me most although all of them fail Alan's craziness test . The result, however, is just brilliant and I can see the same view in the posts by my fellow commenters.

You need also to know the tyre sizes offered for sale for your wheels, a factor which constrains my choice for the Soarer.
Paul Fitzsimmons
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 10:40 pm, by:  Paul Fitzsimmons (Oztif) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David, you seem to have two different tyres listed in your profile.
Alen Sadikovic
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 11:06 pm, by:  Alen Sadikovic (Alen87) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


David Vaughan wrote on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 06:12 pm:

cost me most although all of them fail Alan's craziness test .




, the test seem to be working hahaha
Benny Gammelmark
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Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 11:29 pm, by:  Benny Gammelmark (Oldfield) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Goodyear F1's recently got extremely good write-ups after a blind test in the UK.

I have been using Pirelli P-Zero Nero but have changed now. I wanted Yokohamas as I find them very good. The Nero's are very good when new and just scrubbed in but they tend to become "hard" when getting close to the end of their life.
You need to change them before they get to the legal minimum (actually a bit before).

My current tyres are Bridgestone RE-something or other (don't actually remember and I haven't got my car here). I think they're called RE55. Not too expensive and a very good tyre.
It remains to be seen how durable they are.

I will get Yokohamas next time but not the Dragons, I've tried them and they suck (at least with my driving style).

My VW came with Michelin Pilot Exalto. They are very good on the car and seem to perform extremely well in the wet.
I don't know the price though. They may be expensive.
They may also perform different on a 4wd like the VW as opposed to a Soarer.
Lawrence Ostle
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Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 06:58 am, by:  Lawrence Ostle (Lawrence) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

While we were all arguing, the set of 350z Ray's 18" alloys with MICHELIN tyres I noted yesterday went for A VERY MODEST $710.

Rashmin PLEASE tell me you bought these ......!?

'For sale is a set of used Nissan 350Z 18 inch wheels, 18x8 inch with 5 x 114.3 stud pattern. 4 wheels in a set with Michelin tyres.'
Rashmin Peiris
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Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 11:18 am, by:  Rashmin Peiris (Ripthecannon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry Lawrence I only just checked it now and it was sold ! But I've already decided on the wheels I want to get, so I just need tyres on their own...but I must say, those looked pretty damn good
Rashmin Peiris
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Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 11:24 am, by:  Rashmin Peiris (Ripthecannon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well thanks for all the pointers guys, I really appreciate it and I'll keep everything in mind when I go tyre shopping in a few months after I've saved up enough (hopefully prices will have declined by then !)
David Vaughan
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Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 11:28 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

David, you seem to have two different tyres listed in your profile.


I seem also to have two different cars in my profile, Paul. These facts may be related :-)
David Vaughan
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Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 11:30 am, by:  David Vaughan (Davidv) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alen

(and apologies for misspelling your name in my earlier post)
Paul Fitzsimmons
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Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 12:32 pm, by:  Paul Fitzsimmons (Oztif) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Plenty for sale on Supra forum
http://www.supraforums.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=39612
Kevin Trac
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Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 07:55 pm, by:  Kevin Trac (Menty) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well Im selling 2 of my advan ad07s. Size is 265s. 95% tread -I havnt even driven on them as they were too wide for my low offset wheels.
Rashmin Peiris
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Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 01:04 am, by:  Rashmin Peiris (Ripthecannon) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Would it be bad to run two different types of tyres - e.g. pirellis up front, and advans at the back?
(if yes, then why?)
thanks for all the input so far guys, and thanks in advance to any more

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