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Jason Lenz
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Monday, March 30, 2009 - 07:21 pm, by:  Jason Lenz (Zaczac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

G'day
I bought a v8 Soarer with 19 inch wheels and 35 series rubber (bands). Car is great but the 19's really feel every bump. I was considering going back down to a 17 inch wheel with 45 series rubber for better ride, but thought I'd ask if anyone else has ever driven a soarer with both sizes and did it make much difference?
thanks jas

here is a pic of the 19's on car
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Joe Russell
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 09:14 am, by:  Joe Russell (Joe_r) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My 17's give a great ride, but I remember seeing a post that said the difference in ride between 17's and 18's was very little.
A friend of mine had 18's on his TT, and the ride was average, but he had coil overs so no real verdict there.
Jose-Antonio Castillo
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 10:01 am, by:  Jose-Antonio Castillo (Ahh_soarer) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've had 17's - 19's on my Soarers. The biggest difference (besides suspension set up) are the brands and tyre pressures.

Currently I'm on 19's on my Soarer on 35 and 30 series Yokohamas... firm ride (but I keep the tyres inflated to 38psi).
Dean Kempers
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Victoria
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 12:16 pm, by:  Dean Kempers (Kempers) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Keep the 19's mate. Take it into pedders and get a 24 point safe check it's like $14.

You might find that some suspension parts might need fixing or replacing.

Ive got 19's with full pedders sports ryder suspension and it's a very smooth ride.

Ive got 17's on my s13 and the soarer has a better ride then it :-)

Kempo.
Jason Lenz
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 01:13 pm, by:  Jason Lenz (Zaczac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the car has airbag suspension and a good mechanic checked it all out on RWC etc and all seems fine. The air bags go up and down as they are supposed to when I reset heights etc, as it has an aftermarket height adjuster fitted as well as the normal one.
Also is there any problem using the TEMS often as car actually appears to handle better with it on but I thought it would be rougher?
Damian Ware
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 01:37 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tyre brand and pressures makes a difference.

19's are certainly harder than 17's with the same size tyre.

IMO 17's are great I have driven on 18's and they are acceptable but I personally wouldn't go any bigger from a ride perspective.

Quality 17" tyres are slightly cheaper than 18" and 18's are a lot cheaper than 19's which is certainly something to consider.
Matthew Sharpe
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North Island
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 02:19 pm, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Soarers look better on 17" - they don't suit big rims, especially big chrome rims. Car will not look like mutton dressed as lamb, ride will definitely be better, and tyres are quite a lot cheaper too. All around win!
Dave Rose
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wa
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 03:47 pm, by:  Dave Rose (Sand_groper) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if its any help i stuck to std Toyota wheels with Toyo toe plus silicon based tyres(after a long search)the end result is no tyre noise at all and the car glides over bumps
Peter Nitschke
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South Australia
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 03:52 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Standard wheels always ride really well. Which is why they came with them.
Dave Rose
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Gary Redman
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NSW
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 04:47 pm, by:  Gary Redman (Gary) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don't bother with the Pedders suspension check. They know jacks**t about how Soarers reaaly should be set up and just try and force their opinions on you, or will try and sell you urethane bushes which will make your ride even harder.
Peter Nitschke
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 06:55 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Perhaps that is a forced opinion too.

My own experience with Pedders at Richmond SA has been excellent. They also suggested to get rubber bushes rather then the plastic ones they had on the shelf.

So, like everything, it depends on the person, and the shop, they aren't all the same.
Steven Anderson
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 09:20 pm, by:  Steven Anderson (Cusscuss) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

pedders are franchised, so you can only apply the experience at that store only, all stores will be different.
Rob Rojo
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 09:49 pm, by:  Rob Rojo (Rob_tt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you have an aftermarket Air suspension controller just raise it a little, should make the ride a lot smoother. Airbags don't respond so well at the height pictured.
Tim Ross
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 11:23 pm, by:  Tim Ross (Retox) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Having recently done the upgrade from 17's to 19's myself, I can honsetly say that the difference wasnt as bad as I thought it would be.

Its noticable... but definitely bearable.

Just make sure your tyre pressures are correct and you're sweet :-)
Jason Lenz
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Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 05:28 pm, by:  Jason Lenz (Zaczac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks for all feedback.
The car has had the bushes done too by previous owner but don't know what type they used.
YES the 17 inch tyres are heaps cheaper than the 19's which is another reason I was asking as it is just as cheap to get a 17 wheel and tyre package as just getting good tyres for 19's!
Jas
Jason Lenz
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Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 10:34 pm, by:  Jason Lenz (Zaczac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I upped the suspension today and it rides a bit smoother now.
On a side note the silly person I bought the car off had the directional tyres on backwards!
jas
Andrew Duaso
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Friday, April 03, 2009 - 05:07 am, by:  Andrew Duaso (Andrewd) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

this may be of no use to anyone, but i have 20's with almost no rubber lol 245/30/20 and my car is on air with adjustable controller, at low ride heights its not as good as stock, but a million times better than any other car i've ever had before, with some fiddling of the knobs (height controller) it's possible to find a height where i honestly cant pick the difference in normal driving, it rides like a limo...

massive potholes and gutters and rocky roads etc, are obviously not going to be as good, but on the suburban commute and local freeways it's fantastic..

tyres arent that much either, approx $200 gets me reasonable 20" rubber, but then again your not racing it, 20's will never handle anywhere near as good as smaller lighter wheels, so im not racing it around the hills with the crusing rims on..
Jason Lenz
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Friday, April 03, 2009 - 11:03 am, by:  Jason Lenz (Zaczac) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

where do you get $200 20 inch tyres from?
the cheapest 19's I have found are $280
Damian Ware
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Friday, April 03, 2009 - 11:37 am, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rubbish quality that shoudln't be put on any car is what you get for $200.

Even in 17's in a standard width ie 235 good quality rubber costs over $200 per tyre and more likely to be $300 plus.
Ross Spataro
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Friday, April 03, 2009 - 02:24 pm, by:  Ross Spataro (Thfc) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ive got maxxis maz-1 victras on my 19's with the reinforced sidewalls (93y)...excellent tyres at $250 each fitted from Bob the slob...
Luke Burt
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Friday, April 03, 2009 - 02:41 pm, by:  Luke Burt (Burt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

haha. Some very different opinions here.

I have 19's on mine, my old soarer had 17's.

Depends what you're after mate. I think the 17's rode and handled better with a bit more sidewall flex etc..

But the 17's looked I love my 19's, they look great, still handle well. The car still rides better than most things on the road, i barely feel bumps etc, even having low stiff suspension.

Damian, if you want to pay $300 for a 17" tyre, that's fine. Cheap rubber does the job for most people.

When i had my 17's i was quite happy with my $100 235/45/17 tyres.

I run nankangs on my 19's. $240 each for 245/35/19.
Damian Ware
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Friday, April 03, 2009 - 02:54 pm, by:  Damian Ware (Frozenpod) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Luke I am currently look at new tyres atm.

For the rears in a couple of tyres I would like they will be well over $500 each to suit a 17" rim.

No offense intended by Nankangs are some of the worst tyres I have driven on they are cheap

For the $ you may think they are ok but I wouldn't buy them regardless of how cheap they are.
Luke Burt
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Friday, April 03, 2009 - 03:03 pm, by:  Luke Burt (Burt) Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haha, I'm not going to be offended by your dislike of my tyres.

I was just offering my opinion to the topic starter. I think nankangs are excellent for the price.

From where I'm sitting in the drivers seat, they aren't too noisy, they are pretty comfortable, they stick well, My car doesn't break traction in the dry, and it barely breaks traction in the wet.

Thats reason enough for me to keep buying them!

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