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Md Adib Bahzi Majid
Tinkerer
Brunei
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited

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Reg: 09-2008

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Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:03 pm, by:  Md Adib Bahzi Majid (Adeep) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi,

I own a UZZ31 soarer (originally was airbag). I have replaced it with new adjustable coilover, new pair of lower front control arms with new bushes & balljoint, new front tie rods. Frequently, I brought the car for wheel alignment and camber. But it still have the "throwing you away" and "wild" steering movement sensation while driving even at a normal speed and it happened too often. The bad thing is it the alignment is incorrected again and need to do alignment over and over again. What is this problem?
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:13 pm, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Needs new control arm bushes. Possibly only the front lower bushes as they go first.
Adam Lonergan
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ32 #369 (V8)

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Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:23 pm, by:  Adam Lonergan (Alchemistal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bushes need replacing.
Daniel Lee
Goo Roo
Victoria
Soarer GT Limited UZZ31 V8

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Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:03 pm, by:  Daniel Lee (Son_gokou) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Did you replaced the front lower control arms with a new one or second hand?
Md Adib Bahzi Majid
Tinkerer
Brunei
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited

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Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:12 pm, by:  Md Adib Bahzi Majid (Adeep) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I replaced it yesterday with new a pair of lower control arms with new bushes/balljoints as the mechanic advised me because before the bushes are worn and balljoint need to be replaced. But still nothing change. :-(
Md Adib Bahzi Majid
Tinkerer
Brunei
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited

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Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:50 pm, by:  Md Adib Bahzi Majid (Adeep) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

when i hit a small bump, the steering constantly turn right or left. and have to drive it while holding the steering which is not straight.. As a result I need to get wheel aligment..
Peter Nitschke
Junk Filterer
South Australia
UZZ30 UZZ31

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 01:22 am, by:  Peter Nitschke (Pen) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The steering rack bush should also be replaced - might be the problem.
Md Adib Bahzi Majid
Tinkerer
Brunei
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 03:19 am, by:  Md Adib Bahzi Majid (Adeep) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks peter i'll ask the mechanic to look for it...hopefully this is the actual problem.
Adam Lonergan
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ32 #369 (V8)

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 07:27 am, by:  Adam Lonergan (Alchemistal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Your bump steer could be caused by the wrong offset rims on the front. Try to borrow at least a pair of fronts with +50 offset (or close to this) and take the car for a drive with these fitted.
Daniel Lee
Goo Roo
Victoria
Soarer GT Limited UZZ31 V8

Posts: 2045
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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 08:13 am, by:  Daniel Lee (Son_gokou) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Check the steering rack bushes first and see if its help!

You can get the rack bushes here:

http://www.chtoyota.com.au/parts.asp
Matthew Sharpe
Goo Roo
North Island
JZZ31

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Reg: 10-2005

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 08:14 am, by:  Matthew Sharpe (Madmatt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also check castor angle, and as Adam says, those rims look to be too low an offset, which combined with the very low profile will cause a lot of bump steer.
Adam Mcgrath
Tinkerer
qld
91 tt soarer jzz30

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 01:07 pm, by:  Adam Mcgrath  (Diesel124) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

who is doing your wheel alignments? they should be looking for these things when they do it!!
i know when i do a wheelalignment on a truck or similar heavy vehicle i look for any worn parts
Adam Lonergan
Goo Roo
Victoria
UZZ32 #369 (V8)

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 04:30 pm, by:  Adam Lonergan (Alchemistal) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was thinking more about this... do your after market rims need/have hub centric rings installed? Probably not going to cause loss of wheel alignment but could be a contributing factor to poor handling and vibration at higher speeds.
Ian Johnston
Goo Roo
South Australia
UZZ30 GT 4.0, UZZ31, BMW R1150R

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 07:26 pm, by:  Ian Johnston (Ted) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where did you get the new lower arms, and how much were they?

Wheel offset, and tyre tread design maybe some of your problem too, tram tracking is a common problem.
Daniel Lee
Goo Roo
Victoria
Soarer GT Limited UZZ31 V8

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 10:08 pm, by:  Daniel Lee (Son_gokou) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You can get the new lower control arms from here:

http://www.l-tunedparts.com/product/?id=3114
Ben Kelly
DieHard
Wentworthville
v8

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Monday, November 23, 2009 - 12:05 am, by:  Ben Kelly (Ace) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

majid, im with some of the other guys, get the correct offset wheels and you wont look back. handling will improve out of sight.
Md Adib Bahzi Majid
Tinkerer
Brunei
UZZ31 Soarer V8 Limited

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Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 12:57 am, by:  Md Adib Bahzi Majid (Adeep) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After all this time, it was caused by the rear tie rod. Have replaced right rear tie rod and it feels great.

It's cheaper to get new lower control arms from here using EMS (i'm using the supra control arms but if you still using the uzz31 height suspension it's not compatible):
http://www.l-tunedparts.com/product/?id=3114

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