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Austen Menze
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Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 11:37 am, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys, I finally got around to getting the Torsen diff installed yesterday. While bolting up the axles to the side shafts we noticed there is very noticeable up and down play on the drivers side, where as the passengers side, there is none. Also, the open diff didn't do this.

The seller has informed me that as the shafts are held in with circlips and a couple mm up and down play is normal.

What do you guys think? I'm a bit worried about giving it some decent stick in case it busts :-(
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Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 03:26 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can anyone shed some light on this? I'm worried to the point of throwing the open diff back in as I can't afford to have it off the road
Matt Newman
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Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 04:07 pm, by:  Matt Newman (Soarersrock) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

is it possible that the bearing has gone? or maybe the circlip? because even if the shaft is fixed with a circlip it shouldn't have vertical movement as the circlip locates in a grove it may however have some horizontal movement due to the circlip.
just my thoughts i hope someone with more knowledge than myself can help you out
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Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 04:59 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I understand the horizontal movement is fine, but I'm very worried about the up and down movement.

Gonna wait to see if maybe more people chime in.
Matt Newman
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Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 07:11 pm, by:  Matt Newman (Soarersrock) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bugger mate i hope its nothing major for you, but perhaps you should contact the seller and ask for a part refund to cover some of the work that will have to be done to rectify the problem
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Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 08:02 pm, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ring up a place that specializes in drive shafts/diffs and ask them if it's normal.
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Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 08:45 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well that's the thing, I didn't pay anything for it.

I bought a V8 diff by mistake so I was asking on here about how to change ratios etc etc. A member sent me a PM asking if I was interested in swapping the V8 torsen for his TT torsen.

After a few emails back and forth confirming his diff was in good health, I went ahead and asked the seller of the V8 diff to send it to this forum member, and I will be sent the TT diff.

So yeah, no money was involved..
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Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 11:27 pm, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds pretty normal, I've got 3 or 4 diffs sitting here on the floor, including a genuine 30k kms torsen, and they all have a small amount of play in the shafts.

The shafts just slide into a spline, There are circlips there to basically stop the shafts falling out. The diff centre is the bit that's located in the bearings then the shafts slide into the centre.

It can be hard when yanking by hand to differentiate between up/down and in/out. You really need a fixed reference point or a magnetic base dial indicator or something to get meaningful results. Also very hard to do with the diff half bolted in the car as your first post indicates.

I would expect up to a mm or so of up/down and up to 3-4mm of in/out is perfectly normal.
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Monday, March 01, 2010 - 02:43 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Okay no worries Dan.

It was definately up and down movement as it didnt take much effort to move it at all. I'll clock it up on Tuesday at work just to see how much movement there actaully is, as I don't have a dial indicator here.
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Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 05:34 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Okay so at work I clocked it up and found 4.6mm up and down movement on the drivers side and 0.3mm up and down movement on the passengers side.

Turning right at roundabouts would make it grind as though teeth were slipping.

I'm going to get a driveline specialist to have a look at it and get it fixed when I have enough money, but that's going to take a while.. sigh

I knew I should have pulled my finger out and bought a brand new center and done it properly.
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Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 06:18 pm, by:  Evan Kaio (Knave) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Austen Menze wrote on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 05:34 pm:

Okay so at work I clocked it up and found 4.6mm up and down movement on the drivers side and 0.3mm up and down movement on the passengers side.



Would this be failed bearing or bearing cup?
Austen, was the seal leaking around the RH side half shaft?
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Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 06:34 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've no idea as I haven't opened it. It doesn't feel like a failed bearing as there is no associated rough movement or constant grinding.

Turning the input shaft and either of the side shafts it feels smooth. But it sucks in the car. I went for a spin in a T-1 Soarer today and it was completely silent where mine was always whining.

But no the diff wasn't leaking oil from anywhere.
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Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 11:27 am, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Silly question, Does it have oil in it??
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Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 12:31 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep, its rooted
Matt Newman
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Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 12:38 pm, by:  Matt Newman (Soarersrock) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bad luck mate you should name and shame the seller as that's just not rite.
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Monday, March 15, 2010 - 09:30 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

what was wrong with it?
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Monday, March 15, 2010 - 09:46 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nah I don't want to name and shame the seller as I genuinely beleive he had no idea anything was wrong. He has been always replying to my emails all this time. happens.

Ali it seems the drivers side bearing is rooted, I drained the oil today at work and there wasnt any metal chunks or anything in it. The clearance between what appears to be the inner and outer race of the bearing which sits on the drivers side is huge and will require replacement.

Can anyone give me a reason not to attempt this myself?
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Monday, March 15, 2010 - 10:42 pm, by:  Ali Saeed (Ali) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeh i can lol


Austen Menze wrote on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 09:46 pm:

My mechanical experience: even if something doesn't contain springs.. as soon as I unbolt it springs will fly everywhere..




i would leave it to the professionals man.
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Monday, March 15, 2010 - 11:01 pm, by:  Austen Menze (Mercyfulfate) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hahaha good point Ali :-)
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Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 05:00 am, by:  Boris Siljanoski (Z2tt) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

DIY is always good, give it a go yourself, then when things break if they do bring it to somebody.
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Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 12:01 am, by:  Dan McColl (Hoon) Quote hilighted text Edit Post Delete Post Print Post   View Post/Check IP (Moderator/Admin Only) Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There's a lot of things to get wrong in a diff, get any one of them wrong and you will have a noisy diff that dies prematurely.

Unless you're competent and have the workshop manual and all the specs then let a diff specialist do it.

It's easy enough to replace a bearing, setting up a diff is another story.

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